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QUOTE(Silver seren @ Mon 2nd May 2011, 1:47am) Ugh, stupid IP addresses keep putting stupid stuff in the article and the talk page. Nothing new there, but there's way more than i've ever seen.
It appears the article was protected from exactly that shortly before you posted this. I dunno, I guess if someone's death is a Really Big Hairy Deal like this one is, then they might as well have a separate article, though it does seem a little... inelegant, such that it could conceivably be interpreted as a clearly US/UK-dominated group of "internet people" just gloating. Not that anyone is likely to care... Still, if you look at other examples, they're either not much help or somewhat contradictory. For instance, Death of a Salesman (T-H-L-K-D) is a highly extensive article, but Salesman is nothing but a redirect. Likewise, The Death of Ivan Ilyich (T-H-L-K-D) is also extensive, whereas Ivan Ilyich is actually a redirect to the very same article.I suppose a better comparison might be made to the Death of John Lennon (T-H-L-K-D), which is about half as long as the article on Lennon himself... except John Lennon wasn't the leader of a massive international terrorist network. Luigi Galleani (T-H-L-K-D) was the leader of such a network, but there's no separate article on his death - but that's probably because he died of a heart attack. Andreas Baader (T-H-L-K-D) was an international terrorist, but he wasn't really the leader of a massive network... but he committed suicide in prison to avoid execution, so that's probably not too encyclopedic. If he'd committed suicide in prison to avoid watching Doctor Who reruns, then maybe... Anyway, I guess it really doesn't matter in the end.
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QUOTE(Somey @ Mon 2nd May 2011, 12:58am) I suppose a better comparison might be made to the Death of John Lennon (T-H-L-K-D), which is about half as long as the article on Lennon himself... except John Lennon wasn't the leader of a massive international terrorist network. Luigi Galleani (T-H-L-K-D) was the leader of such a network, but there's no separate article on his death - but that's probably because he died of a heart attack. Andreas Baader (T-H-L-K-D) was an international terrorist, but he wasn't really the leader of a massive network... but he committed suicide in prison to avoid execution, so that's probably not too encyclopedic. If he'd committed suicide in prison to avoid watching Doctor Who reruns, then maybe... Anyway, I guess it really doesn't matter in the end. There will surely be enough info on the operation itself to merit an article. Hell, there will be books about it, because it was a tough 10 year operation, and the endgame was 8 months. The article on the death of JFK itself has subarticles. Bin Laden won't get that much.
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QUOTE(Silver seren @ Mon 2nd May 2011, 12:25am) Not a week ago, but April 29th in the morning, apparently.
April 29th was when Obama decided to go ahead with the operation. It actually happened on May 1st. From the BBC: QUOTE On Sunday a team of US forces undertook the operation in Abbottabad, 100km (62 miles) north-east of Islamabad.
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QUOTE(mauve @ Mon 2nd May 2011, 8:41am) QUOTE(Silver seren @ Mon 2nd May 2011, 12:25am) Not a week ago, but April 29th in the morning, apparently.
April 29th was when Obama decided to go ahead with the operation. It actually happened on May 1st. From the BBC: QUOTE On Sunday a team of US forces undertook the operation in Abbottabad, 100km (62 miles) north-east of Islamabad. Yeah, I figured that out. Of course, the Death article didn't state that at the time, I had to look within the reference about April 29th. Now, the issue is whether we're going to say May 1st or May 2nd. I would say 1st, since that was the day over here, while it was May 2nd over there. And this is English Wikipedia and not the Arabic version.
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QUOTE(Silver seren @ Mon 2nd May 2011, 4:02am) Now, the issue is whether we're going to say May 1st or May 2nd. I would say 1st, since that was the day over here, while it was May 2nd over there. And this is English Wikipedia and not the Arabic version. You should have it say "April 31st," just to add to the confusion. Besides, what's wrong with UTC? It's Universal, remember? And if you don't use that, you're supposed to use the local time - there are rules for this sort of thing, though I suspect most people on Wikipedia don't know about things like that.
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Mon 2nd May 2011, 9:02am) QUOTE On Sunday a team of US forces undertook the operation in Abbottabad, 100km (62 miles) north-east of Islamabad. Or to paraphrase Lou Costello, Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Abbottabad! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) Speaking of magic bullets, why not Frank Costello (the 54th anniversary of whose assassination attempt it now happens to be)? Also speaking of anniversaries, see [1]. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/fear.gif)
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QUOTE(Silver seren @ Mon 2nd May 2011, 9:02am) Now, the issue is whether we're going to say May 1st or May 2nd. I would say 1st, since that was the day over here, while it was May 2nd over there. And this is English Wikipedia and not the Arabic version.
I believe that English is the language used and has no bearing on time issues. You could try making the case for all dates and times to be recorded in UTC to avoid confusion, but I'm sure that would cause no end of argument about how it would just confuse people. And some really entertaining discussions about UTC versus GMT and why each is best.
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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Mon 2nd May 2011, 2:38pm) QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Mon 2nd May 2011, 1:33am) The article on the death of JFK itself has subarticles. Bin Laden won't get that much.
Yes, there is no article on the Death of Lee Harvey Oswald. It's interesting to note that a mention of the killing of bin Laden now appears in Barack Obama (T-H-L-K-D), immediately prior to the sentence about Obama announcing his re-election campaign. U-S-A! U-S-A!I'll see if I can do something about that.
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