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I have been struck lately by the growing smugness of "article writers." Those who avoid wonkery and administraton for the creaton or "improvement" of articles on Wikpedia. To hear them say you would thing they were creating some great works of literature. I got to tell you I don't see it. Even among our FA artistes. They use this activity much in the same way "vandal patrols" or policy wonks use the stuff they do for playing the game that is Wikipedia.

At best I'd say is "Well pretty good for a sand painting made in a sandbox surrounded by pre-schoolers flinging rocks and spraying down the place with pressure hoses...but come back tomorrow." Wikipedia articles, even FAs, are no great shakes. Certainly they don't justify the sense of self-entitlement these prima donnas pretend. Nor do they make up for the many levels or irresponsibilty directed at people outside the project that results from their work.

The only thing of any value in Wikipedia is it partially functions in the the same task Wikia Search fails at, collecting a list of manually generated sources (very imperfectly vetted) and indirectly returning them on the top of search request. You don't need article writers for this task at all.
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I'd agree that the overall quality of Wikipedia is not high. In particular, very few FAs meet the nominal FA prose requirement of "engaging, even brilliant" (mine don't). The de facto prose standard for FAs is "competent, free of easily noticable technical faults and without any really terrible stylistic decisions." But for many subjects - including almost all of those that FAs - Wikipedia provides the clearest, most accessible, free online treatment.

Wikipedia is most useful not when it's a substitute for other sources, but when it's a substitute for ignorance.

As for GBG's original point, there's a segment of article writers for whom smugness is endemic. But there's an observer bias there, just as there is for admins: the article writers you notice are the ones prancing around ANI shrieking that the Wikipolitician caste is ruining the encyclopedia, and that everybody should actually be more like them (the article writers).
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GlassBeadGame   Vanity of Article Writers  
Samuel Culper Sr.   Can't fully agree. Unless you think there is ...  
Emperor   For a while I made it a game to pick apart the fea...  
Malleus   For a while I made it a game to pick apart the fe...  
Luís Henrique   For a while I made it a game to pick apart the fea...  
Milton Roe   But isn't this part of the problem? When I r...  
Jon Awbrey   [quote name='Luís Henrique' post='160817' date...  
Milton Roe   [quote name='Luís Henrique' post='160817' dat...  
Jon Awbrey   Truth hurts, don't it, Jon? :P :P The Truth...  
Cla68   There are a lot of terrible and mediocre articles ...  
Kato   The problem is that the FA and GA forums are over...  
Milton Roe   [quote name='Milton Roe' post='160836' date='Wed ...  
Jon Awbrey   [quote name='Jon Awbrey' post='160848' date='Wed ...  
Luís Henrique   It's bound to beat hell out of what you ...  
Milton Roe   [quote name='Milton Roe' post='160825' date='Wed ...  
Emperor   When I read an article about, say, Thailand, or t...  
Luís Henrique   [quote name='Luís Henrique' post='160817' date...  
Peter Damian   I have been struck lately by the growing smugness...  
UseOnceAndDestroy   This point gets buried a lot in the noise of BLP a...  
EricBarbour   Want to help your kid find out why salt melts ice ...  
Eva Destruction   And nobody can even make up a vague statistic of ...  
EricBarbour   [quote name='EricBarbour' post='160821' date='Wed...  
Eva Destruction   That's very nice. Who devised these statistic...  
Milton Roe   Wikipedia is most useful not when it's a subs...  
Jon Awbrey   [quote name='Sarcasticidealist' post='160778' dat...  
Skinny87   As an article writer, and an FA contributor, I do...  
UseOnceAndDestroy   I'd agree that wikipedia isn't the font o...  
Sarcasticidealist   It's a recurring wikipedian myth to position w...  
Somey   [quote name='UseOnceAndDestroy' post='160812' date...  
Cla68   The more interesting question, to me, is whether W...  
MBisanz   Someone who used to be involved with the WMF emai...  
Obesity   Give it a rest, GBG. FA writers are the last plac...  
Kato   People like you and others I won't mention se...  
Obesity   That could apply to almost anything. Even Fox New...  
GlassBeadGame   I assure you that most of the "best" wr...  
Obesity   Glad you found your own little piece of heaven on...  
Cla68   Doubtless, GBG had no intention for this thread to...  
EricBarbour   Doubtless, GBG had no intention for this thread t...  
GlassBeadGame   Give it a rest, GBG. FA [i]writers are the last ...  
Bottled_Spider   Must I drag out my favorite article once again as ...  
Jon Awbrey   And if only Hitler had been a 3rd rate painter ins...  
Luís Henrique   And if only Hitler had been a 3rd rate painter in...  
Bottled_Spider   [quote name='Jon Awbrey' post='160888' date='Thu 1...  
Jon Awbrey   If we had Wikipedia in the twenties of the XX Cen...  
Luís Henrique   Why do people keep buying the premiss that Wikiped...  
Jon Awbrey   [quote name='Jon Awbrey' post='160929' date='Thu ...  
Luís Henrique   Tagged for Web Searches under • Blinded By T...  
Moulton   Why do people keep buying the premiss that Wikiped...  
Jon Awbrey   [quote name='Jon Awbrey' post='160929' date='Thu ...  
Guido den Broeder   Why do people keep buying the premiss that Wikipe...  
GlassBeadGame   Here's a glorious FA, 4chan. It's not jus...  
Casliber   I hate the idea of splitting wikis..MBZ has a poin...  


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