Giano at ArbCom, Everyone takes a brief break from writing articles Options

[Cla68]

What's going on here? Why is it that a Featured Article candidate can sit in the FA nomination forum for three weeks and receive only three comments, but an ArbCom request on Giano gets input from 30 people in less than 24 hours?

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You can figure it out in 5 seconds

[GlassBeadGame]

Another ArbCom member acting to silence minor dissent as some kind of service to the encyclopedia in the form of preventing "disruption." Just like NYB's bullying of Kurt or that Creampuff kid. I think this is the equivalent of a WoW players slaying boars to build points back up. ArbCom's credibility is really in the shit can after being pwn'd by Godwin.

[Newyorkbrad]

Just like NYB's bullying of ... Creampuff kid.

This is a complete misinterpretation of the nature of my trying to help with this situation. Geez. I know we don't assume good faith around here, but I really don't have a reputation for bullying people and I don't know why you would jump to that conclusion at all.

(I wasn't bullying Kurt either, but it's a separate point.)

[TungstenCarbide]

What's going on here? Why is it that a Featured Article candidate can sit in the FA nomination forum for three weeks and receive only three comments, but an ArbCom request on Giano gets input from 30 people in less than 24 hours?

that question by itself sums up the culture of wikipedia surprisingly well.

[Nerd]

What's going on here? Why is it that a Featured Article candidate can sit in the FA nomination forum for three weeks and receive only three comments, but an ArbCom request on Giano gets input from 30 people in less than 24 hours?

Because hardly anyone cares about FAC. A lot of people care about about Giano.

[EricBarbour]

Because hardly anyone cares about FAC. A lot of people care about about Giano.

Because it's not an encyclopedia, it's a crazy train?.........

I know! Giano is a performance artist! And all the Wiki-whores are the dupes!

[Wiki Witch of the West]

What's going on here? Why is it that a Featured Article candidate can sit in the FA nomination forum for three weeks and receive only three comments, but an ArbCom request on Giano gets input from 30 people in less than 24 hours?

Because hardly anyone cares about FAC. A lot of people care about about Giano.

Because, strange as it may seem, FAC is even worse of a political sinkhole than arbitration.

[everyking]

Because hardly anyone cares about FAC. A lot of people care about about Giano.

Because, strange as it may seem, FAC is even worse of a political sinkhole than arbitration.

And at least the arbitrators are elected. No one can do anything about the self-appointed FA director.

[Malleus]

What's going on here? Why is it that a Featured Article candidate can sit in the FA nomination forum for three weeks and receive only three comments, but an ArbCom request on Giano gets input from 30 people in less than 24 hours?

Because hardly anyone cares about FAC. A lot of people care about about Giano.

Because, strange as it may seem, FAC is even worse of a political sinkhole than arbitration.

FAC is political? In what way?

Because hardly anyone cares about FAC. A lot of people care about about Giano.

Because, strange as it may seem, FAC is even worse of a political sinkhole than arbitration.

And at least the arbitrators are elected. No one can do anything about the self-appointed FA director.

The "self-appointed FA director" hasn't been active at FAC for as long as I can remember, so what needs to be done about him?

[Doc glasgow]

Because hardly anyone cares about FAC. A lot of people care about about Giano.

Because, strange as it may seem, FAC is even worse of a political sinkhole than arbitration.

And at least the arbitrators are elected. No one can do anything about the self-appointed FA director.

Well, actually that's been discussed many times. The answer was "if it ain't broke..."

I'm not Raul fan, but unless there's other candidates pressing for the job, there's hardly a need for an election. Wikipedia is supposedly an encyclopedia, it has to my mind far too many elections. Having another one for the sake of democracy seems to be stupid.

However, if you want the job, I'll happily set up a page for people to vote between you and Raul.

[A Horse With No Name]

(I wasn't bullying Kurt either, but it's a separate point.)

Yes you were, you big bully. Why don't you pick on someone your own size?

[The Joy]

Because hardly anyone cares about FAC. A lot of people care about about Giano.

Because, strange as it may seem, FAC is even worse of a political sinkhole than arbitration.

And at least the arbitrators are elected. No one can do anything about the self-appointed FA director.

Well, actually that's been discussed many times. The answer was "if it ain't broke..."

I'm not Raul fan, but unless there's other candidates pressing for the job, there's hardly a need for an election. Wikipedia is supposedly an encyclopedia, it has to my mind far too many elections. Having another one for the sake of democracy seems to be stupid.

However, if you want the job, I'll happily set up a page for people to vote between you and Raul.

Is there a Deputy FA Director or a successor to Raul? If Raul disappears or is unable to continue working on Wikipedia, who has the permissions to handle FAs, if even on an interim basis? Just curious.

[CharlotteWebb]

Is there a Deputy FA Director or a successor to Raul? If Raul disappears or is unable to continue working on Wikipedia, who has the permissions to handle FAs, if even on an interim basis? Just curious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wik...3-16/Dispatches

Acknowledging the increasing workload, the extended absence of Featured article review (FAR) delegate Marskell, and constraints on Featured article candidates (FAC) delegate SandyGeorgia's time, Featured article director Raul654 has appointed two additional deputies to assist him in the Featured article process: Karanacs has been appointed FAC delegate and YellowMonkey at FAR as of March 14, 2009.

Still seems a bit oligarchic though, plus we know Bling-Bling doesn't have time for anything.

This post has been edited by CharlotteWebb: Sun 20th December 2009, 12:57am

[everyking]

Well, actually that's been discussed many times. The answer was "if it ain't broke..."

I'm not Raul fan, but unless there's other candidates pressing for the job, there's hardly a need for an election. Wikipedia is supposedly an encyclopedia, it has to my mind far too many elections. Having another one for the sake of democracy seems to be stupid.

However, if you want the job, I'll happily set up a page for people to vote between you and Raul.

It shouldn't really be all that controversial to argue that an important position shouldn't be filled indefinitely, with no elections, by someone who appointed himself. I would be happy to do the job, but since at the moment I apparently can't even pass an RfA, I think my prospects would be rather dim--especially in some mock, non-binding poll set up by you.

Is there a Deputy FA Director or a successor to Raul? If Raul disappears or is unable to continue working on Wikipedia, who has the permissions to handle FAs, if even on an interim basis? Just curious.

It seems suitable that someone would take the position the same way Raul did--you just start doing the job, and if anyone challenges you, ignore them. Eventually, it gets to a point where everyone is accustomed with it and people excuse the situation by saying "if it ain't broke..."

Of course, that kind of thing might not work on Wikipedia as it is now. Raul's ability to hang onto a self-appointed-for-life position might be nothing more than a relic of an earlier time, which couldn't be replicated by anyone else.

[One]

I would be happy to do the job, but since at the moment I apparently can't even pass an RfA, I think my prospects would be rather dim--especially in some mock, non-binding poll set up by you.

This is a small quibble, but, you can pass RfA, but you apparently refuse to.

I realize that a lot of the oppose votes were pretextual, but a large number of them honestly opposed because your answer to closing AFD's happened to be particularly clumsy. If you actually wanted to become an admin, your answer would look something like this: "I will not be closing any AFDs ever because I have some idiosyncratic views about how they should operate."

It's similarly easy for you to get out of the last remaining ArbCom sanction. You just don't bring it up again and they lapse. But given your prior behavior, I expect you will post another "appeal" on January 1.

[gomi]

It's similarly easy for you to get out of the last remaining ArbCom sanction. You just don't bring it up again and they lapse. But given your prior behavior, I expect you will post another "appeal" on January 1.

And goodness knows there is no worse wiki-crime than tweaking ArbCom!

[thekohser]

And goodness knows there is no worse wiki-crime than tweaking ArbCom!

It sure pissed the hell out of Risker, leading to my infinite ban.

[Milton Roe]

And goodness knows there is no worse wiki-crime than tweaking ArbCom!

It sure pissed the hell out of Risker, leading to my infinite ban.

I just looked Kohs Block Test which in the original title form was very funny.

The Kohs Block test, also known as the Kohs Block Design Test,[1] is a performance test designed to measure intelligence.

It's about a wooden block test, not a wooden blockhead test, but still.... .

Jayvdb, you young Turk, you have very little sense of humor.

[the fieryangel]

Getting back to the whole issue of this "Giano verses the Arbcom, part XIII in 3D" business, I think that the only way to resolve this once and for all is to make opening an Arbcom case involving Giano a blockable offense with an automatic indefinite block.

....and yes, I'm serious here!