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Posted by: Cla68

What's the story behind http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#stalking_by_Folantin at ANI? Shankbone says, "Unfortunately, this user is well-known to all of us here, and at Wikipedia Review."

Posted by: dogbiscuit

QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 14th August 2008, 12:43am) *

What's the story behind http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#stalking_by_Folantin at ANI? Shankbone says, "Unfortunately, this user is well-known to all of us here, and at Wikipedia Review."

It is DS continuing his poisonous feud against The Fiery Angel, as we know him here.

How DS is allowed to make all his outing comments with impunity and with such venom on a public page of Wikipedia without sanction continues to amazeunsurprise many of us here.

Posted by: Cla68

QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Wed 13th August 2008, 11:53pm) *

QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 14th August 2008, 12:43am) *

What's the story behind http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#stalking_by_Folantin at ANI? Shankbone says, "Unfortunately, this user is well-known to all of us here, and at Wikipedia Review."

It is DS continuing his poisonous feud against The Fiery Angel, as we know him here.

How DS is allowed to make all his outing comments with impunity and with such venom on a public page of Wikipedia without sanction continues to amazeunsurprise many of us here.


I guess most admins like to take care in choosing their battles and I assume that blocking Shankbone would provoke a rather large brouhaha.

Posted by: dogbiscuit

QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 14th August 2008, 12:58am) *

QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Wed 13th August 2008, 11:53pm) *

QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 14th August 2008, 12:43am) *

What's the story behind http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#stalking_by_Folantin at ANI? Shankbone says, "Unfortunately, this user is well-known to all of us here, and at Wikipedia Review."

It is DS continuing his poisonous feud against The Fiery Angel, as we know him here.

How DS is allowed to make all his outing comments with impunity and with such venom on a public page of Wikipedia without sanction continues to amazeunsurprise many of us here.


I guess most admins like to take care in choosing their battles and I assume that blocking Shankbone would provoke a rather large brouhaha.

They could at least have the decency to tone down the inappropriate edits which DS is clearly making as deliberately inflammatory as possible, including the link to the article he penned on ED.

Posted by: Ottava

QUOTE(Cla68 @ Wed 13th August 2008, 11:43pm) *

What's the story behind http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#stalking_by_Folantin at ANI? Shankbone says, "Unfortunately, this user is well-known to all of us here, and at Wikipedia Review."


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=231795210&oldid=231793917

Posted by: One

So who's Folantin?

And yeah, I wouldn't touch that. I admire Alison's well-measured remark of sanity.

DS has built up a lot of goodwill from his usually good contributions. He also has at least two relatively influential friends: Raul and SlimVirgin. I wish he wouldn't track his ED attacks into the house.

Posted by: Disillusioned Lackey

QUOTE(Cla68 @ Wed 13th August 2008, 11:43pm) *

(David) Shankbone says, "Unfortunately, this user is well-known to all of us here, and at Wikipedia Review."



Unfortunately, the same can be said of David Shankbone.




Tragically, the same can be said of David Shankbone's penis.

Posted by: everyking

If I am reading this correctly, it appears that Shankbone is outing someone. Isn't there supposed to be some kind of penalty for that? Observe also Shankbone's response to NYB on his talk page. I think blocks are customary in cases like this.

Posted by: Disillusioned Lackey

Shankbone has a "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FISA_Amendments_Act_of_2008".


Also enjoyed by Jjay, Crum 375, Durova, Hochman, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhnd............ (rhymes with Quimsturgeon)

I think that about covers it, but I don't know everything. Though I attempt to make it seem so.

Posted by: JoseClutch

QUOTE(Cla68 @ Wed 13th August 2008, 7:58pm) *

QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Wed 13th August 2008, 11:53pm) *

QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 14th August 2008, 12:43am) *

What's the story behind http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#stalking_by_Folantin at ANI? Shankbone says, "Unfortunately, this user is well-known to all of us here, and at Wikipedia Review."

It is DS continuing his poisonous feud against The Fiery Angel, as we know him here.

How DS is allowed to make all his outing comments with impunity and with such venom on a public page of Wikipedia without sanction continues to amazeunsurprise many of us here.


I guess most admins like to take care in choosing their battles and I assume that blocking Shankbone would provoke a rather large brouhaha.

Editors with the inability to pick battles correctly rarely (if ever) make it past an RfA. Sometimes they loose this ability just before retirement, but that is about all.

Posted by: CrazyGameOfPoker

Meanwhile, the proverbial shit is hitting the fan, as Moreschi proceeds to defame BAN ME! on ANI, in reponse to Sir Fozzie telling people to stop defaming Living People.


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Posted by: dogbiscuit

QUOTE(CrazyGameOfPoker @ Thu 14th August 2008, 3:21pm) *

Meanwhile, the proverbial shit is hitting the fan, as Moreschi proceeds to defame BAN ME! on ANI, in reponse to Sir Fozzie telling people to stop defaming Living People.


sleep.gif

The great and the good have weighed in, with DS playing the innocent "Duh, did I do something wrong?" all justified because WR is a cesspit of vile behaviour. Ho hum.

TFA doesn't exactly help himself (apparently been silly boy with anagram user names), but he should know that whatever he does, DS can sink far, far lower, and will get away with it. Probably be a good thing for TFA to be indef blocked, for his own good.

Posted by: Disillusioned Lackey

QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Thu 14th August 2008, 8:28am) *

TFA doesn't exactly help himself (apparently been silly boy with anagram user names), but he should know that whatever he does, DS can sink far, far lower, and will get away with it. Probably be a good thing for TFA to be indef blocked, for his own good.

It bears mention that http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showuser=5537 - which puts him in the same bucket as Amorrow.

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Posted by: One

Shankbone makes a http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:David_Shankbone&diff=231805869&oldid=231804461 who was agreeing with Durova and SirFozzie that the comment on sexual orientation was inappropriate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:David_Shankbone&oldid=231947023#Don.27t_do_that_again.

Commentary by Lar and SirFozzie who, who seem to think it wasn't a light-hearted remark. David archives the conversation (that is, deletes it). SirFozzie promises to bring an ANI, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Follow_up_re:Folantin_and_David_Shankbone Shankbone makes BADSITES-style claims. Huge round of personal attacks, ANI closed.

WR is the new cabal, apparently.

EDIT: splitting Moreschi topic into new post. I think these are both worth discussing, but not together.

Posted by: One

Who the hell is Folantin? When I wanna know something like that, I search WR:
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=6947
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=6381
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=5560

Hmm. Top three google hits, and all are threads by TFA. I checked further down the results and have found several treads and posts by TFA about these two. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that Moreschi/Folantin (whether two people or just one) don't like TFA, and the feeling is apparently mutual. In retrospect, it wouldn't have taken much work to figure out who TFA was.

When Shankbone wants to bust TFA's balls, Moreschi and Folantin don't mind at all (understatement).

Does anyone else think http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3AGretab&year=&month=-1 It might be fine, but I would probably be more comfortable if admins didn't single-handedly block someone who is apparently their http://www.google.com/search?q=Moreschi+wikipedia+-site%3Awikipedia.org (these threads are TFA's--it seems like all of the Moreschi posts here are). Parties of an ArbCom decision should probably not enforce the decision themselves.

First, consider what the damn decision even says:

QUOTE(ArbCom)
Enforcement by block

1) Any bans imposed under this decision may be enforced by blocking the offender for a period of up to a week. All blocks to be logged at ...

Passed 6 to 0 at 06:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement (EDIT: WR won't let me put in the full url with anchor. Apparently using the name triggers some replacement code for "BAN ME! BAN ME!" weird.)

It seems there are COI edits in Gretab's deleted contributions. Sounds like evasion, but for the benefit of non admins, here's the punchline: these edits happened in February 2007, adding a source to his own pre-existing BLP per a talk page request. But don't forget about the promotional edits to alleged MF recording artist Germaine Tailleferre, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Germaine_Tailleferre&diff=202556107&oldid=194405593, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Germaine_Tailleferre&diff=162332952&oldid=156230977. Also check out this article where an MF artist was edited from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Francis_Poulenc&diff=178361663&oldid=173792985 The Wiki is now safe from COI. Indefinitely. Whew.

Ah well, perhaps he should have been blocked, for his own good, as said above, and at least for a time. Lar suggested a block of 1 day - 2 weeks, and TFA'a personal attacks and COI might deserve something. You should use the talk page when you have a COI, even if the edits are trivial. But Moreshi isn't acting on the level here, and I don't like it. He should have at least mentioned his history with TFA. I think failing to mention an ugly past with someone you block is on par with editing while COI. Thoughts?

Posted by: the fieryangel

QUOTE(One @ Fri 15th August 2008, 4:44am) *

Who the hell is Folantin? When I wanna know something like that, I search WR:
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=6947
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=6381
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=5560

Hmm. Top three google hits, and all are threads by TFA. I checked further down the results and have found several treads and posts by TFA about these two. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that Moreschi/Folantin (whether two people or just one) don't like TFA, and the feeling is apparently mutual. In retrospect, it wouldn't have taken much work to figure out who TFA was.

When Shankbone wants to bust TFA's balls, Moreschi and Folantin don't mind at all (understatement).

Does anyone else think http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3AGretab&year=&month=-1 It might be fine, but I would probably be more comfortable if admins didn't single-handedly block someone who is apparently their http://www.google.com/search?q=Moreschi+wikipedia+-site%3Awikipedia.org (these threads are TFA's--it seems like all of the Moreschi posts here are). Parties of an ArbCom decision should probably not enforce the decision themselves.

First, consider what the damn decision even says:
QUOTE(ArbCom)
Enforcement by block

1) Any bans imposed under this decision may be enforced by blocking the offender for a period of up to a week. All blocks to be logged at ...

Passed 6 to 0 at 06:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement (EDIT: WR won't let me put in the full url with anchor. Apparently using the name triggers some replacement code for "BAN ME! BAN ME!" weird.)

It seems there are COI edits in Gretab's deleted contributions. Sounds like evasion, but for the benefit of non admins, here's the punchline: these edits happened in February 2007, adding a source to his own pre-existing BLP per a talk page request. But don't forget about the promotional edits to alleged MF recording artist Germaine Tailleferre, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Germaine_Tailleferre&diff=202556107&oldid=194405593, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Germaine_Tailleferre&diff=162332952&oldid=156230977. Also check out this article where an MF artist was edited from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Francis_Poulenc&diff=178361663&oldid=173792985 The Wiki is now safe from COI. Indefinitely. Whew.

Ah well, I might have blocked him myself. Perhaps for his own good, as said above, and at least for a time. Shankbone probably will not stop harassing TFA until he leaves, and David will certainly win. Lar suggested a block of 1 day - 2 weeks, and TFA'a personal attacks and COI might deserve something. You should use the talk page when you have a COI, even if the edits are trivial. But Moreshi isn't acting on the level here, and I don't like it. He should have at least mentioned his history with TFA. I think failing to mention an ugly past with someone you block is on par with editing while COI. Thoughts?


Well, since I'm blocked over there, I might as well explain myself here.

The decision in the Arbcom case read as follows :

QUOTE
1) Jean-Thierry BAN ME! BAN ME! and other users affiliated with Musik Fabrik are banned from editing any article dealing with artists or projects listed in their sales catalog. Further, they may not add any such artist or project to any article. There is no restriction on making suggestions or participating in discussions on talk pages.


Now, the way I read this is that the words used are "artists" and "projects listed in their sales catalog". The word "artist" is not the same (at least in the music world) as the word "composer". An "artist" is the person who performs the music (see for example the "search the repertoire page on BMI, where artists and composers are separate fields : http://www.bmi.com/search/). However, "projects listed in their sales catalog" would be specific works composed by composers in the catalog. Works composed by composers in the catalog but published by others would be not be a conflict of interest, since information about them would not lead to sales.

So, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jacques_Leguerney&diff=prev&oldid=231756325 By saying that the Paris Opera Ballet refused to produce it, am I adding commercial value to the work in question? The http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jacques_Leguerney&diff=prev&oldid=127371056 was created before we started publishing him. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Germaine_Tailleferre&diff=prev&oldid=202556107, the work is unpublished (and will probably never be published, since there are editorial problems with it) and I am only correcting the instrumentation. How does this add commercial value?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Germaine_Tailleferre&diff=prev&oldid=162332952 I'm pointing out that the only source for the article is the webpage in question: I ought to know: I wrote the whole thing. It's all unsourced (in spite of the bibliography) because it's principally original research. The worst is the works list, because it's all based on first-hand analysis of the manuscript objects and secondary sources which remain unpublished. This should probably be stubbed and rewritten, using Grove as a base (even if Grove is wrong on certain facts...)

Francis Poulenc is not in the MF catalog. Neither is Milhaud or any of the others. The edits on my own article were to avoid what eventually happened, which was a "revenge" deletion. Now that this is behind us....well, at least on the English WP, as DS has nominated in the same article for deletion in French WP...this all becomes rather moot, wouldn't you say?

That's your fault anyway: you shouldn't have written the article in the first place!, you say? Well, that's exactly right. Except that once you write the article, you can't take it back. And once you realize what you've done, it's too late. And if I may, might I ask how many times does one have to pay for the same mistake?

This COI business was a red herring to begin with. The conflict was due to the fact that I busted Moreschi and Folantin's little operatic game of voting on "who was important" and "who was not", and when their toys were taken away, they flew into a huge rage: follow the diffs from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_major_opera_composers&diff=prev&oldid=74193027. It's obviously going to lead to a "community ban" and there's no point fighting it. I'm grateful to those who are trying to find a solution to this, but I rather doubt that there will be anything that they can do.

In any case, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_major_opera_composers&diff=prev&oldid=74785078


Posted by: One

I think that's right. Moreschi is not "enforcing" the ArbCom decision--he's unilaterally imposing a ban on one of his least favorite people. But if you were banned for a couple of weeks instead, there's no chance that you would have much future at Wikipedia under that account.

Posted by: Carruthers

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Folantin&diff=107357049&oldid=107353314

....that guy's a real case and tends to use his user page as an attack page.

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=6947 Follow the links for a good laugh.

Posted by: One

Hmm, I wonder if Moreshi is a reader. He brought up his extensive history only after my post...after fighting over Gretab on Wikipedia in several forums. Hi, Moreschi!

Look, this needs to be a community ban. The ArbCom decision doesn't authorize it (it says one week), and Moreschi essentially wheel-warred with Thatcher in order to block a user he's very involved in. Moreschi should be warned, the block dropped, and Gretab brought up again on ANI or someplace for an actual impartial admin to block him for a term deemed reasonable.

I doubt TFA even cares to fight for his account, but Moreschi's illegitimate block should not stand.

Posted by: Anonymous editor

QUOTE(One @ Thu 14th August 2008, 11:57pm) *

Shankbone makes a http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:David_Shankbone&diff=231805869&oldid=231804461 who was agreeing with Durova and SirFozzie that the comment on sexual orientation was inappropriate.



Very weird. I don't know what he means by that, and I probably don't want to know.

Posted by: Carruthers

QUOTE(Anonymous editor @ Fri 15th August 2008, 9:26pm) *

QUOTE(One @ Thu 14th August 2008, 11:57pm) *

Shankbone makes a http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:David_Shankbone&diff=231805869&oldid=231804461 who was agreeing with Durova and SirFozzie that the comment on sexual orientation was inappropriate.



Very weird. I don't know what he means by that, and I probably don't want to know.


Not weird...just not very subtle. And probably not appreciated by NYB at all.

In the meantime, over on French WP, http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Pages_%C3%A0_supprimer/Paul_Wehage

Posted by: Rootology

QUOTE(Carruthers @ Fri 15th August 2008, 2:29pm) *

In the meantime, over on French WP, http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Pages_%C3%A0_supprimer/Paul_Wehage


Exported conflicts to other WMF projects... from English WP. Total class.

Posted by: Proabivouac

QUOTE(Carruthers @ Fri 15th August 2008, 9:29pm) *

QUOTE(Anonymous editor @ Fri 15th August 2008, 9:26pm) *

QUOTE(One @ Thu 14th August 2008, 11:57pm) *

Shankbone makes a http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:David_Shankbone&diff=231805869&oldid=231804461 who was agreeing with Durova and SirFozzie that the comment on sexual orientation was inappropriate.



Very weird. I don't know what he means by that, and I probably don't want to know.


Not weird...just not very subtle. And probably not appreciated by NYB at all.

In the meantime, over on French WP, http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Pages_%C3%A0_supprimer/Paul_Wehage

Hey, keep it in perspective: Shankbone called NYB a butch "papa bear", that's all. It's not as if he said he liked blondes or something.

Posted by: Carruthers

QUOTE(Proabivouac @ Fri 15th August 2008, 9:43pm) *

Hey, keep it in perspective: Shankbone called NYB a butch "papa bear", that's all. It's not as if he said he liked blondes or something.


....actually, it is...and it's sort of a veiled threat, in many respects. You can read quite a bit into that remark....

Posted by: Rootology

LOL! I speak some piss poor French, but bablefishing David's deletion request...

QUOTE

Article gloriole creates by the subject. Google shows only 181 single visits, and almost all were published by the author or are abstract allusions. It seems that the author did not compose of the parts of music offered on Amazon, and Al Certes one does not sell his music reciting. There does not exist any indication which it played on a large scene. One quotes three sources in the article: texts of small pocket for a disc which is not sold any more, and the majority comes from something written share the friend from the author and his business partner, Jean-Thierry BAN ME! BAN ME!. Paul Wehange and Jean-Thierry BAN ME! BAN ME! are the subject of ArbCom in 2006 for the promotion of their music (Musik Fabrik) and are on the list of the nonremarkable artists. The article virtually does not receive visits on the English site, and even less on the French site (Bushel and Wehange live in France). In spite of ArbCom, the author continues to promote himself (in fact, he announces that he and his/her friend are celebrities in their village of 20,000 people) and to promote its “products” in the shape of the artists and nonremarkable type-setters. Simply spoken, this article does not make any allusion to the reliable sources, and the references are not available. The article is rather one CV, and it was manufactured. The article does not complete the obligatory criteria established under " notability". This article was deleted by English Wikipedia for the reasons which I underlined, and the author asked for obliteration per User: Giggy.


C'mon, half of this is "Delete because english WP doesn't like him, and neither do I," plus no one looks at the articles anyway. You gotta be kidding me, this is the cattiest delete reason of all time.

The discussion section there--apparently the old WP:VAIN idea is not disallowed on French Wikipedia. Strike 1 against this delete request:

QUOTE
If one deletes this article then it is also necessary put the question of suppression for l' article on Pascale Jakubowski puisqu' he wrote for her Jean-Thierry Bushel A d' criterion; admissibility d' a type-setter: * With summer credited to have written or Co-writing words or the music d' an important artist And probably d' others The fact that l' article was removed by English Wikipedia n' is not either a criterion. The fact that English Wikipedia made a n' choice; induced not that the choice was the good. If not French Wikipédia would not be qu' a collaboratif work of translation. L' autobiography is disadvised, but not prohibited:


Next section, strike 2:

QUOTE
* Us n' these articles, we do not examine discuss this one. And you never address really the many arguments that j' increase. --David Shankbone (d) August 15, 2008 with 19:07 (CEST) The fact that it is promotion on behalf of Musikfabrik (D · C · cool.gif, and that this user included/understood a little too late the operation of wikipédia, jusqu' with going to put itself in difficulty on: in (bond of l' arbitration provided by David Shankbone) should not influence l' opinion to be had on this article: we judge if this musician has sufficient notoriety to be on wikipédia. I do not have external sources which justifies this notoriety, and that seems difficult to me d' in finding quickly: we are nevertheless there in a very confidential field, and with less d' to go to excavate in bookshops specialized in musicology or the universities, that will be delicate. However, I note: * Many partitions published as a type-setter [1] * Interprête obviously recognized, the many compositions written with its intention show it. One does not compose for an unknown… Only for that, it is in my opinion acceptable. * Discs: 4 CD * quoted by d' others: [2] Ok, I n' do not have an irrefutable evidence of the notoriety of BAN ME! BAN ME!, via a sure external source, but information above + the fact qu' as a saxophonist amateur, I know already his name before coming on this page, make me say qu' it is notable. Sylenius (d) August 15, 2008 with 23:22 (CEST) @David Shankbone: you can t' to express in English if you think of better being able t' to express thus.


First Keep is a simple keep, second one:

QUOTE
C' is a joke or what? Large interprête and type-setter. See the list of compositions and d' dedicated works, as well as the dependent pages. The fact qu' it n' there does not have sources Internet n' a proof of nonnotoriety or qu' is any case; there are not some in serious reviews.


David replies to him:

QUOTE
Can you provide some sources other than your opinion for what you write? Currently l' article n' in has no, and the notability must be verifiable.


Only "Delete" so far:

QUOTE
not really of ref. external for one cv a little " gros". Ca resembles l' car promotion


Between David making inappropriate comments with implications towards Brad's sexuality (What the fuck, David) and this thread...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=232186154#LessHeard_Van_U

Dude, you oughta stop before they firing squad you. Seriously. Add in the over-the-top attacks on Sandy--thats dumb, you know, seeing as she has many more friends in way more important places than you EVER have had--I mean, honestly. If you're trying to blaze of glory to get banned, keep it up.

Posted by: Lar

QUOTE(Rootology @ Fri 15th August 2008, 5:56pm) *

LOL! I speak some piss poor French, but bablefishing David's deletion request...

Just as a note, if you use FireFox you might want to look into the Translator add-on by Byron Adams. It lets you mouseclick to get a new page (more convenient than babelfish directly) and it's fairly easy to change translators so you can try google (which I thought gave better results on that page).

Hope that's helpful.

Posted by: the fieryangel


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Folantin&diff=232726977&oldid=232721636

Yes, Virginia, Knol has no COI policy. Neither does Wikipedia Review.

...of course, this isn't the first time that Folantin's user space has been used as an attack page. But just imagine what fun he and his new friend DS are going to have, right on WP?

Posted by: One

Shankbone found that because it was brought up in his http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Pages_%C3%A0_supprimer/Paul_Wehage. Incidentally, can you tell us how painful his French babelfish is on the eyes? One of the comments seems to say he should just use English, but that's a reading from my painful babelfish translation.

I don't think they have COI on ED either...

Posted by: the fieryangel

QUOTE(One @ Mon 18th August 2008, 9:10pm) *

Shankbone found that because it was brought up in his http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Pages_%C3%A0_supprimer/Paul_Wehage. Incidentally, can you tell us how painful his French babelfish is on the eyes? One of the comments seems to say he should just use English, but that's a reading from my painful babelfish translation.

I don't think they have COI on ED either...


If somebody at French WP told an anglophone just speak English, please, it must be pretty bad.

I'm not following this at all. If it's deleted, it's deleted. If it's saved, it's saved. But French WP has very different policies regarding notability, COI, autobiography and the like. The French don't like to be told what to do, especially by English speakers. And they really don't like people off of EN:WP teling them that "our arbcom decided this, so you need to do that". The best way to get the exact opposite reaction of what you want on another project's AFD process is to say "we did it this way on EN:WP".

You'll have to ask Mr. Shankbone about COI on ED because http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=The_fieryangel&diff=1997701159&oldid=1997690420

Posted by: JoseClutch

Indeed, you could get most projects to do almost anything by saying you represent English Wikipedia and you demand the opposite.

Posted by: Carruthers

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@David Shankbone: tu peux t'exprimer en anglais si tu penses mieux pouvoir t'exprimer ainsi.


To DS, you can express yourself in English, if you think that you could express yourself better that way....

It's exceedingly polite...but very subtle. This isn't a personal attack, but that's why I enjoy speaking French....

Posted by: Disillusioned Lackey

QUOTE(Carruthers @ Mon 18th August 2008, 3:29pm) *

It's exceedingly polite...but very subtle. This isn't a personal attack, but that's why I enjoy speaking French....

C'était un dégât. (cut-down; putting him in his place)

The person was polite and helpful, but in a manner such as to communicate disdain.

"Pour tourner autour du pot" (indirect communication - classic French. Say what you mean, without ever saying it.)

I'm sure he didn't get the point, whatsoever. That's part of the fun of making such a comment. Or reading it.