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The last attempt to delete the NameBase article occurred nearly four years ago. I still want it taken down. Wikipedia-watch.org is now history — this is a fair trade, it seems to me. The NameBase article is utterly incompetent and inaccurate. No, I'm not allowed to "fix it," nor am I interested in seeing a decent article about NameBase on Wikipedia. That's because Wikipediots will make it incompetent and inaccurate soon enough, even if it starts out half-decent. To encourage its deletion, I have nullrouted all links on en.wikipedia.org that lead to NameBase content (there are about 100 of these). I will stop doing this if and when the NameBase article comes down. So fix it, Wikipedia.
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I would have thought that Daniel would like it kept just for the link to this article: http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/01/03/sea...-daniel-brandt/QUOTE If Ralph Nader had won the presidential election in 2000, Daniel Brandt today would occupy a suite of offices on the seventh floor of CIA headquarters in Langley. Perhaps that scenario exaggerates Nader’s abilities to scout the best talent. Brandt certainly is a wonderfully qualified candidate for director of central intelligence.
Believe me, it is very difficult indeed to buy good publicity like that.
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Mon 16th January 2012, 5:06pm) QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Mon 16th January 2012, 2:26pm) Wikipedia-watch.org is now history — this is a fair trade, it seems to me.
That is a shame - it was one of my favorite websites! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/unhappy.gif) Yeah what the hell? Was this talked about here? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)
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QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Mon 16th January 2012, 1:26pm) The last attempt to delete the NameBase article occurred nearly four years ago. I still want it taken down. Wikipedia-watch.org is now history — this is a fair trade, it seems to me. The NameBase article is utterly incompetent and inaccurate. No, I'm not allowed to "fix it," nor am I interested in seeing a decent article about NameBase on Wikipedia. That's because Wikipediots will make it incompetent and inaccurate soon enough, even if it starts out half-decent. To encourage its deletion, I have nullrouted all links on en.wikipedia.org that lead to NameBase content (there are about 100 of these). I will stop doing this if and when the NameBase article comes down. So fix it, Wikipedia. I can no longer offer to lift the nullroute if the article is deleted, because the entire NameBase site is now extinct. In other news, Michael Suarez pasted dozens of items of content from NameBase to webcitation.org last month. He had an urge to show who is boss on this issue — me or Wikipedia. This was a copyright violation, and WebCite has properly taken them down. You can thank DDoSers from encyclopediadramatica.ch for the death of NameBase (which took 27 years to deveop). Suarez, by the way, is an admin on ED.ch, where his user name is JuniusThaddeus.
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QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Thu 23rd February 2012, 6:12am) I can no longer offer to lift the nullroute if the article is deleted, because the entire NameBase site is now extinct. In other news, Michael Suarez pasted dozens of items of content from NameBase to webcitation.org last month. He had an urge to show who is boss on this issue — me or Wikipedia. This was a copyright violation, and WebCite has properly taken them down. You can thank DDoSers from encyclopediadramatica.ch for the death of NameBase (which took 27 years to deveop). Suarez, by the way, is an admin on ED.ch, where his user name is JuniusThaddeus. I wasn't trying to show anyone who's bigger. I was fighting against discrimination. You were discriminating against certain groups by deciding who can or can't access NameBase and its information. Wikipedia, on the other hand, doesn't discriminate; it provides information freely to anyone. I used webcitation.org in order to indiscriminately provide access to anyone. I used webcitation.org so that those using Wikipedia as a starting point for research can make use of NameBase's information. I stated my reason for using webcitation.org clearly enough in January: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...to_NameBase.orgAs far as I'm aware, Encyclopedia Dramatica isn't responsible for the DDoS attacks.
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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Sun 26th February 2012, 2:07pm) QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Thu 23rd February 2012, 6:12am) I can no longer offer to lift the nullroute if the article is deleted, because the entire NameBase site is now extinct. In other news, Michael Suarez pasted dozens of items of content from NameBase to webcitation.org last month. He had an urge to show who is boss on this issue — me or Wikipedia. This was a copyright violation, and WebCite has properly taken them down. You can thank DDoSers from encyclopediadramatica.ch for the death of NameBase (which took 27 years to deveop). Suarez, by the way, is an admin on ED.ch, where his user name is JuniusThaddeus. I wasn't trying to show anyone who's bigger. I was fighting against discrimination. You were discriminating against certain groups by deciding who can or can't access NameBase and its information. Wikipedia, on the other hand, doesn't discriminate; it provides information freely to anyone. I used webcitation.org in order to indiscriminately provide access to anyone. I used webcitation.org so that those using Wikipedia as a starting point for research can make use of NameBase's information. I stated my reason for using webcitation.org clearly enough in January: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...to_NameBase.orgAs far as I'm aware, Encyclopedia Dramatica isn't responsible for the DDoS attacks. "Wikipedia provides information freely to everyone" because that is what the people who own WP have chosen to do. If Brandt wants to restrict access to his site and the data he has compiled, isn't that his choice? Is this an "information wants to be free" argument? Sometimes I find it difficult to reconcile your WP and ED activities, since you come across as an intelligent guy, but I am beginning to suspect that it is simply an "end justifies the means"-type of crusade where WP is the good hand and ED is the bad hand that you use to advance your frei kultur goals.
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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Sun 26th February 2012, 2:07pm) QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Thu 23rd February 2012, 6:12am) I can no longer offer to lift the nullroute if the article is deleted, because the entire NameBase site is now extinct. In other news, Michael Suarez pasted dozens of items of content from NameBase to webcitation.org last month. He had an urge to show who is boss on this issue — me or Wikipedia. This was a copyright violation, and WebCite has properly taken them down. You can thank DDoSers from encyclopediadramatica.ch for the death of NameBase (which took 27 years to deveop). Suarez, by the way, is an admin on ED.ch, where his user name is JuniusThaddeus. I wasn't trying to show anyone who's bigger. I was fighting against discrimination. You were discriminating against certain groups by deciding who can or can't access NameBase and its information. Wikipedia, on the other hand, doesn't discriminate; it provides information freely to anyone. I used webcitation.org in order to indiscriminately provide access to anyone. I used webcitation.org so that those using Wikipedia as a starting point for research can make use of NameBase's information. I stated my reason for using webcitation.org clearly enough in January: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...to_NameBase.orgAs far as I'm aware, Encyclopedia Dramatica isn't responsible for the DDoS attacks. Interesting that Suarez is both an EDer and an advocate of the *rights* of Wikipedia. According to his WP Signpost the fact that people using WP are inconvenienced if something WP cites isn't available it is justifiable for him to violate copyright laws with a massive cut and paste job. But if WP users have the right to unfettered access to WP sources via Wikipedia, why doesn't Suarez also go on a massive cut and paste campaign to copy firewalled newspaper or journal articles? It's some courageous warrior who is willing to crusade for free access to a small, unfunded site but not willing to take on large media companies. Brave man, indeed.
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QUOTE(Fusion @ Sun 26th February 2012, 3:51pm) Why pick on Daniel Brandt? Many sites have pay walls. Why pick on a relatively small website rather than a big time charger? Or are you frightened of say Rupert Murdoch?
QUOTE(Heat @ Sun 26th February 2012, 8:34pm) But if WP users have the right to unfettered access to WP sources via Wikipedia, why doesn't Suarez also go on a massive cut and paste campaign to copy firewalled newspaper or journal articles? It's some courageous warrior who is willing to crusade for free access to a small, unfunded site but not willing to take on large media companies. Brave man, indeed.
I am grateful to Heat for agreeing with me so enthusiastically. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)
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