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_ Gary Weiss and his cavalcade of socks _ Spreading the Poop On Thick
Posted by: Piperdown
Shrill hand waving doesn't negate IP evidence and slipped diffs.
Is Poupon a Garysock or just a Garybuddiesock, lol. Not a star of the debate team....get a better champion than "lalala this was started by satan!" argument. You're embarassing yourself again.
And Cool Hand has declared Mantanmoreland to be a "great editor". Based on what, lol. Great at provoking other editors into quitting or getting banned while losing their community patience with all of Gary's stinky socks.
I told you the Fix was in.
Posted by: Viridae
Just a caustic troublemaker who is heading towards a block.
Posted by: Piperdown
QUOTE(Viridae @ Mon 11th February 2008, 11:21pm) 
Just a caustic troublemaker who is heading towards a block.
You really think so? You guys don't stand a chance in hell of banning Gary. Good luck. Caving in with some insane apologism about his supposedly valuable contributions to WP is what I expected. This producitivity is something that I'd like to see proof of, lol. There is none.
Mantanmoreland is the first domino in Jimbo's ShootOnSight Doctrine. If mantan falls, the corruption that allowed him to occur falls. There is a stink on almost every admin/arby from this situation that is in his SS squad.
Posted by: Viridae
Its not Weiss.
Posted by: Piperdown
QUOTE(Viridae @ Mon 11th February 2008, 11:26pm)
Its not Weiss.
yes, MM is. I didn't think Poop is, but I'm sure its one of his butties.
If Gary and all his socks aren't banned, there are going to be a significant editing force of people who are no longer going to so commiitted to the project. I'd even go so far as to guess it will turn those people to negative contributors, not just the discontinuation of positive contributors.
Regardless of the specific case of who is behind those socks, what he edited, etc, what has occurred is a cancer on Wikipedia. One of many tumors.
People have learned that you can abusively sock, get away with it, and do it again.
all you have to do is make friends with the officers who are just are ethically challenged. Mutual blackmail.
Wait til Gary's next book comes out. Linkspam redux, lol.
Posted by: Viridae
QUOTE(Piperdown @ Tue 12th February 2008, 10:28am)
QUOTE(Viridae @ Mon 11th February 2008, 11:26pm)
Its not Weiss.
yes, MM is. I didn't think Poop is, but I'm sure its one of his butties.
Oh MM is, pretty sure of that one. Poupon is just one of those irritants that are so anti badsites their blood pressure must be off the charts every time he sees my name.
I'm pretty sure he will earn himself a block for disruption before long givent he current behaviour he has been exhibiting.
Edit: Actually just noted the comments on Durova's talk page and gave him a warning.
Second edit: Btw - I like the username, its very unique. Had to look up what Poupon was when I first saw it. Turns out we have it in australia too - I have eaten the stuff.
Posted by: Piperdown
You can also run willie-nillie all over your meatspace enemies on WP. Gary learned that from Slimmy.
Delete their AFD's. Vote twice. Go out of your way to put negative sources in the first google-showing paragraphs o the Byrnes, and only positives on the Soros'es.
Then you can be a Press Sectretary for a Cult Leader/Church Leader, and administer his article as your full time job. Because that will ensure a NPOV. Lol.
And you can tell people to fuck off all the way up the wikiladder.
What a fine bunch of fellows, Princes of St. Petersburg, are slouching their way to San Francisco.
I wonder how many of these low-lifes are expecting to get Wikia IPO stock grants someday soon.
Posted by: guy
QUOTE(Viridae @ Mon 11th February 2008, 11:31pm)
I like the username, its very unique. Had to look up what Poupon was when I first saw it. Turns out we have it in australia too - I have eaten the stuff.
How can something be very unique?
Poupon is or was off-colour mustard, though it's been re-coloured.
http://www.dullmen.com/grey_poupon.htm
Posted by: Viridae
QUOTE(guy @ Tue 12th February 2008, 10:48am)
QUOTE(Viridae @ Mon 11th February 2008, 11:31pm)
I like the username, its very unique. Had to look up what Poupon was when I first saw it. Turns out we have it in australia too - I have eaten the stuff.
How can something be very unique?
Poupon is or was off-colour mustard, though it's been re-coloured.
http://www.dullmen.com/grey_poupon.htm
Actually someone picked me up on "very unique" the other day. Interestingly Poupon n Australia is a faux french brand - dijon is all I see from them.
This is the stuff - but I dont know if it is called grey poupon here: http://www.leekangkoog.org/images/mustard600.jpg
Posted by: Piperdown
Wikipedians, if they don' t let you ban him, and they won't or it would have already occurred, do this.
Put on his user talk page
"Hello, this is <User>. I think what you did here (put about 3 diffs with his worst sock/verbal/voting/etc abuses) is wrong and I think you should leave Wikpedia."
People should be given a chance to leave first. If they disagree with several straightforward points of why they are being asked to leave, and have no satisfactory response, and still refuse to leave...fire them. It's the way the real world works.
I think you'll find a lot of the community who will politely ask him to leave, with diffs backing up their reasons.
And doing so is not uncivil, is not against anything that Wikpedia stands for supposedly, and is not anything you should get sanctioned for yourself for doing. Politely expressing your opinion about someone else's behaviour should be encouraged, not blanked and used against you from an enemies list deadpool.
Wikipedia is a community of editors, not a community of a crew of admins who have each other's backs no matter how bad one of their crew behaves. They say WP is not a democracy, and they're wrong.
Posted by: tarantino
QUOTE(Piperdown @ Mon 11th February 2008, 11:19pm)
Is Poupon a Garysock or just a Garybuddiesock, lol.
Many suspect he is a http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hipocrite&action=history who vanished after a Java Virtual Machine predicted a lawsuit in his future.
Posted by: Piperdown
QUOTE(tarantino @ Tue 12th February 2008, 12:44am)
Many suspect he is a http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hipocrite&action=history who vanished after a Java Virtual Machine predicted a lawsuit in his future.
Do tell.
Gosh, what a valued contributor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hipocrite
That's right up there with Mantanmoreland in quality, although the quantity is lacking. That is the sort of history that PooponBensToast would surely be spurred on to put a snide "Note: this user has only x edits" comment below an Rfa vote.
Posted by: Castle Rock
QUOTE(Piperdown @ Mon 11th February 2008, 4:49pm)
QUOTE(tarantino @ Tue 12th February 2008, 12:44am)
Many suspect he is a http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hipocrite&action=history who vanished after a Java Virtual Machine predicted a lawsuit in his future.
Do tell.
Ha! Hipocrite ran afoul of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey/Proposed_decision who is only able to communicate in legal threats
Posted by: Piperdown
QUOTE(Castle Rock @ Tue 12th February 2008, 12:56am)
Ha! Hipocrite ran afoul of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey/Proposed_decision who is only able to communicate in legal threats
Hm. Does Merkey know Mantan by any chance? They're simpaticos.
Posted by: Amarkov
QUOTE(Castle Rock @ Mon 11th February 2008, 4:56pm)
QUOTE(Piperdown @ Mon 11th February 2008, 4:49pm)
QUOTE(tarantino @ Tue 12th February 2008, 12:44am)
Many suspect he is a http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hipocrite&action=history who vanished after a Java Virtual Machine predicted a lawsuit in his future.
Do tell.
Ha! Hipocrite ran afoul of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey/Proposed_decision who is only able to communicate in legal threats
Merkey has much more reason to be mad at me; I think I started complaining about him the day after he was unbanned. But I've gotten nothing from him after he left Wikipedia. There's almost certainly something more.
Posted by: Rootology
PouponOnToast is Hipocrite, who did a RTV after Merkey off-Wiki threatened him or something with legal stuff. He renamed to DepartedUser:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=DepartedUser&namespace=&year=&month=-1
And then came back again as Poupon.
Posted by: LamontStormstar
QUOTE(Piperdown @ Mon 11th February 2008, 5:49pm)
Do tell.
Gosh, what a valued contributor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hipocrite
That's right up there with Mantanmoreland in quality, although the quantity is lacking. That is the sort of history that PooponBensToast would surely be spurred on to put a snide "Note: this user has only x edits" comment below an Rfa vote.
He renamed to DepartedUser. The stuff in contributions to his old name is only there do to Wikimedia bugs. The bugs even make it appear to go to the old username, too going back years, but those are some sort of bugs.
Posted by: tarantino
QUOTE(Piperdown @ Tue 12th February 2008, 1:01am)
QUOTE(Castle Rock @ Tue 12th February 2008, 12:56am)
Ha! Hipocrite ran afoul of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey/Proposed_decision who is only able to communicate in legal threats
Hm. Does Merkey know Mantan by any chance? They're simpaticos.
I wouldn't be surprised if Merkey and WB had swapped war stories. There's several mutual acquaintances between them.
Posted by: Piperdown
QUOTE(tarantino @ Tue 12th February 2008, 1:37am)
I wouldn't be surprised if Merkey and WB had swapped war stories. There's several mutual acquaintances between them.
Do tell, Quentin. I've never heard of Merkey, and why would Judd give a damn? I could see Cade Metz might be, who surely has some more "bizarre rants" just for his friend Jimbo.
Posted by: WordBomb
QUOTE(tarantino @ Mon 11th February 2008, 8:44pm)
QUOTE(Piperdown @ Mon 11th February 2008, 11:19pm)
Is Poupon a Garysock or just a Garybuddiesock, lol.
Many suspect he is a http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hipocrite&action=history who vanished after a Java Virtual Machine predicted a lawsuit in his future.
QUOTE(tarantino @ Mon 11th February 2008, 9:37pm)
I wouldn't be surprised if Merkey and WB had swapped war stories. There's several mutual acquaintances between them.
Indeed I have had more than one long chat with Merkey, but none mediated by our common acquaintances. It's more about our common adversaries, among which I do not count you, tarantino. And to your point: I admit to getting along just fine with Merkey, although when it comes to war stories, it's not much of an exchange; Merkey mostly just gives.
Posted by: The Wales Hunter
Not sure if this is posted elsewhere, but in Poop's userpages:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PouponOnToast/arb
QUOTE
Illegal naked short selling is fraud. It is the creation of a sale transaction, for which the buyer's funds are taken, but no product is delivered. Apologists for the practice seek to introduce a number of straw man arguments, none of which address the core fraud in the practice, which as noted before, is illegal in all but a few instances - such as market maker exemptions.
It is difficult to argue with a straight face that there are benefits for the market to be had by defrauding investors, however that doesn't stop the perpetrators of the practice from advancing arguments supporting the practice. Some common arguments are that naked short selling is good for the market, as it can be used to combat other fraudulent activity, such as pump and dump schemes, where promoters pump a stock's value above fair value. It is simple to see the logical fallacy here, as it really argues that one fraud can be countered by allowing a different fraud - the "two wrongs make a right" fallacy.
Another canard that is floated by apologists for the illegal variant is that it increases liquidity, which is an argument that says that by increasing the amount of fraud, you increase the amount of trading, which increases the ability to buy and sell easily, and decreases spreads. Again, this argues for allowing investors to be defrauded, as the benefits to an efficient market in trading these frauds are supposed to outweigh the damage from the fraud itself.
Current legal naked shorting rules allow brokerages to make large profits doing "bona-fide market making" while stock markets are falling. The market maker exemption to the rules governing the practice is intended to allow market makers to naked short sell on a very temporary basis, in order to increase liquidity and stabilize markets. When this practice extends for more than a few days, it too crosses over from the legal variant, to the illegal variant - fraud.
Posted by: Moulton
QUOTE(Castle Rock @ Mon 11th February 2008, 8:56pm)
QUOTE(Piperdown @ Mon 11th February 2008, 4:49pm)
QUOTE(tarantino @ Tue 12th February 2008, 12:44am)
Many suspect he is a http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hipocrite&action=history who vanished after a Java Virtual Machine predicted a lawsuit in his future.
Do tell.Tarantino, what do you make of http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:PouponOnToast&diff=next&oldid=191671150? Is there a deeper connection between Poupon and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Orangemarlin&diff=next&oldid=224511003 than has previously been suspected?
Note also http://static.wikipedia.org/new/wikipedia/en/articles/p/o/u/User~PouponOnToast_pernicious_9435.html, which links to this very thread. (And for completeness, we also note that Poupon was doing http://static.wikipedia.org/new/wikipedia/en/articles/p/o/u/User~PouponOnToast_Hpath_2e80.html, http://static.wikipedia.org/new/wikipedia/en/articles/p/o/u/User~PouponOnToast_arb_9570.html, and otherwise http://static.wikipedia.org/new/wikipedia/en/articles/p/o/u/User~PouponOnToast_EW_4186.html.)
Posted by: JWSchmidt
QUOTE(The Wales Hunter @ Thu 14th February 2008, 8:43am)
Not sure if this is posted elsewhere, but in Poop's userpages:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PouponOnToast/arb
QUOTE
Illegal naked short selling is fraud.
PouponOnToast http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:PouponOnToast&diff=prev&oldid=222119982.
Some early edits by Hipocrite were to the Wikipedia Investment banking article. He was http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Investment_banking&diff=prev&oldid=7224122 to the "Glass-Steagall Act" as "G-S".
Hipocrite (also editing as "JBKramer", 64.95.38.193) had a serious interest in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott. I wonder if they have a real life connection.
Posted by: Moulton
Very likely, John Lott was his thesis advisor in Economics. Has anyone looked up his Ph.D?
Posted by: tarantino
QUOTE(JWSchmidt @ Mon 30th August 2010, 7:47pm)
PouponOnToast http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:PouponOnToast&diff=prev&oldid=222119982.
Some early edits by Hipocrite were to the Wikipedia Investment banking article. He was http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Investment_banking&diff=prev&oldid=7224122 to the "Glass-Steagall Act" as "G-S".
Hipocrite (also editing as "JBKramer", 64.95.38.193) had a serious interest in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott. I wonder if they have a real life connection.
Daniel http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/irc-hostmasks/25-63.html once. It was from a http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-63-85-198-112-1.
QUOTE(Moulton @ Mon 30th August 2010, 4:56pm)
Tarantino, what do you make of http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:PouponOnToast&diff=next&oldid=191671150? Is there a deeper connection between Poupon and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Orangemarlin&diff=next&oldid=224511003 than has previously been suspected?
http://en.wikichecker.com/user/?t=Hipocrite&l=10000 and http://en.wikichecker.com/user/?t=PouponOnToast&l=10000 edited mostly between 1200 and 2300 UTC. http://en.wikichecker.com/user/?t=Orangemarlin&l=10000 edited mainly between 1400 and 800 UTC , http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Orangemarlin&diff=prev&oldid=96527522#About_Me and said he lives in Santa Barbara. He has accounts elsewhere that predate his wp involvement that say the same thing.
Posted by: Piperdown
QUOTE(tarantino @ Tue 31st August 2010, 2:07am)
QUOTE(JWSchmidt @ Mon 30th August 2010, 7:47pm)
PouponOnToast http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:PouponOnToast&diff=prev&oldid=222119982.
Some early edits by Hipocrite were to the Wikipedia Investment banking article. He was http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Investment_banking&diff=prev&oldid=7224122 to the "Glass-Steagall Act" as "G-S".
Hipocrite (also editing as "JBKramer", 64.95.38.193) had a serious interest in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott. I wonder if they have a real life connection.
Daniel http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/irc-hostmasks/25-63.html once. It was from a http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-63-85-198-112-1.
QUOTE(Moulton @ Mon 30th August 2010, 4:56pm)
Tarantino, what do you make of http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:PouponOnToast&diff=next&oldid=191671150? Is there a deeper connection between Poupon and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Orangemarlin&diff=next&oldid=224511003 than has previously been suspected?
http://en.wikichecker.com/user/?t=Hipocrite&l=10000 and http://en.wikichecker.com/user/?t=PouponOnToast&l=10000 edited mostly between 1200 and 2300 UTC. http://en.wikichecker.com/user/?t=Orangemarlin&l=10000 edited mainly between 1400 and 800 UTC , http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Orangemarlin&diff=prev&oldid=96527522#About_Me and said he lives in Santa Barbara. He has accounts elsewhere that predate his wp involvement that say the same thing.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:fJfa285K-30J:www.wallstreetandtech.com/trading-technology/showArticle.jhtml%3FarticleID%3D227001067+INFINIUM+CAPITAL+MANAGEMENT&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
LOL
Cheers,
PiperRetired