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Malik Shabazz
post Fri 13th May 2011, 4:55pm
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Zionists behave badly because bad behaviour is central to their ideal.

You're tarring a very large and diverse group of people with that brush. ermm.gif


Yes, it has been said in this forum, and I think it's true, that most Israelis or Jewish people would be embarrassed by the way editors like those mentioned at the top of this thread behave in Wikipedia.


Cla68 (and Malik too) - this is really important.

In the context of my comment (and you should really look at nothing else when refering to it) - can you see that you yourself are effectively equating 'Jewish people' with 'Zionists' here yourself?

Can you show me where I even hinted at the notion that Jews and Zionists were one and the same?

Being a Jew, and having grown up in a Zionist family, I can assure you I understand the math.
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post Fri 13th May 2011, 6:09pm
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QUOTE(Malik Shabazz @ Fri 13th May 2011, 5:55pm) *

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Zionists behave badly because bad behaviour is central to their ideal.

You're tarring a very large and diverse group of people with that brush. ermm.gif


Yes, it has been said in this forum, and I think it's true, that most Israelis or Jewish people would be embarrassed by the way editors like those mentioned at the top of this thread behave in Wikipedia.


Cla68 (and Malik too) - this is really important.

In the context of my comment (and you should really look at nothing else when refering to it) - can you see that you yourself are effectively equating 'Jewish people' with 'Zionists' here yourself?

Can you show me where I even hinted at the notion that Jews and Zionists were one and the same?


Whether you meant it or not, the way you expressed it could easily be read that way. Look at the way Cla68 developed it the way he did: he read your "large and diverse group of people", and talked about "most Israelis or Jewish people". Your "large" and his "most" actually somewhat contradict each other, and the verdict is pretty much out on where 'most' Jews feel about all this, let's be honest. As I say, it's not all that easy of Jewish people to stand up. Neither of you mentioned 'Zionism' directly, which leaves a vacuum the kind of which others take up and fill.

I just don't think terse comments help in these matters. Especially when there are cases where there does happen to be a risk of being accused of anti-semitism, as so many people out there are ready to equate the two in terms of reading anti-Jewishness into someone's comment or edit.

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When will Wikimedia learn that 'articles' like Poison_affair_of_Palestinian_schoolgirls have no place on Wikipedia? It's getting full of these type of peices, essays, whatever you call them. It's periodical or newspaper stuff, with all the tabloid issues at worst. I wonder if there is even any kind of way to estimate the amount of them.

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post Sat 28th May 2011, 7:12am
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QUOTE(gomi @ Thu 12th May 2011, 8:34pm) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 12th May 2011, 1:06pm) *
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Good post.
I was thinking just the opposite. I am left with little more clue about what the author is trying to convey than if he had just shown me a "wordle" graphic of the words he had typed.

Well, while we might have hoped for more specific explication in the post here, the emails linked to are pretty damning, if sadly predictable -- yet another group using an email list to game the (insanely constructed and horribly broken) Wikipedia system. In this case, they were doing so in the promotion of a particular pro-Israeli point of view, but we can be sure there are similar lists, better hidden, for many other partisan causes.

These emails seem damning only to idiots who believe they are real, but they are not.
They were written for the hacker to act on them.

I knew about the hacker at the very moment it happened, I knew it was editing wikipedia.
I wanted to give the idiot some material to act on, but instead it found a useful idiot sol,
who did, and I am still not sure who is the hacker although I believe it is factsontheground, or how I call it liesontheground .

I knew that criminal's IP. When nothing happened in a few days, I emailed Avi, I sent him a copy of report my email account produced, Avi blocked that cowardly open proxy. He could confirm my words!

Now about specifics. I know it is hard for brainless anti-Semites as tarc is to understand anything,
but maybe others could turn their brains on.
Let's for example take my alleged proxy-editing for nocal.
First of all why in the word I needed to proxy edit for this editor, if they could make as many socks as they want?
Second of all, if I edited for that user, where my other edits made for them? Why I proxy edited for them only when that stupid hacker hacked my account?
Third of all see
here I am asking Lar to help to bring Nocal back to editing. Why in the world would I have disclosed publicly I know nocal and exchange emails with them, if I wanted to proxy-edit for the user?

I have never proxy-edited for nocal. I have never proxy-edit for anybody.

But let's say my emails are real. Isn't this sickening that some are saying on this forum that I and other "Zionists" have done something wrong, while at the same time engaging in a dirty business to discuss other people private emails? Who are you to judge me? For example you, gomi, administrator, why did not you removed the links to hacked emails,if you believe they are real? It is indecent to discuss other people stolen emails, isn't it,gomi?
All that garbage is disgusting, but in the end it is even more funny. Thanks for the laugh!
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post Sat 28th May 2011, 2:18pm
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I knew about the hacker at the very moment it happened, I knew it was editing wikipedia.
I wanted to give the idiot some material to act on, but instead it found a useful idiot sol,
who did, and I am still not sure who is the hacker although I believe it is factsontheground, or how I call it liesontheground .

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post Sat 28th May 2011, 5:26pm
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Oh, and BTW I emailed to imageshack, and in a few minutes all garbage (the hacked emails) were removed. So at least somebody exercised the decency that is missing on wikipediareview!
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post Sat 28th May 2011, 6:20pm
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QUOTE(lilburne @ Sat 28th May 2011, 10:18am) *

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I knew about the hacker at the very moment it happened, I knew it was editing wikipedia.
I wanted to give the idiot some material to act on, but instead it found a useful idiot sol,
who did, and I am still not sure who is the hacker although I believe it is factsontheground, or how I call it liesontheground .


This is my favorite version of the story so far, "I knew what was happening and let it happen anyways." The other ones are "it was Nableezy and I was just playing along with Nocal to try and catch him", preceded by "someone hacked me and sent emails pretending to be me". The fourth version was that the whole thing was faked (made here on the forums, somewhere). If credibility is in question, never change your story.

Now we have a novel variation on the theme: preempting any disciplinary action by claiming the (currently unknown) evidence is from yet another hacking and is therefore the "fruit of a poison tree". Bravo.

Mbz1, if you really were hacked at either point I'd suggest changing your security habits.
-I believe your original claim was something about a phishing attempt by a supposed computer security company wishing to scan your email account for viruses? Never give out any passwords, credit card or bank account numbers to anyone, ever. Especially if the story is patently ridiculous (see above). This includes friends: their computer could be compromised.
-Never click on suspicious links. Even if you don't get some kind of malware they can still harvest information (I think that was one of Wordbombs old tricks for seeing IPs).
-Get multiple spybot/rootkit/anti-virus programs, update them, run them often. Redundant protection seems paranoid but different programs work better on certain kinds of malware. HiJackthis is also worth getting.

Even if one of your stories is true and I disapprove of how the information was obtained, I'll take old Maimonides advice and accept the truth regardless of the source; there's an ill-mannered group of Likudnik canvassers working on WP and I'll waste no more time dealing with them. I'd recommend others do likewise.
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QUOTE(Sololol @ Sat 28th May 2011, 11:20am) *

Even if one of your stories is true and I disapprove of how the information was obtained, I'll take old Maimonides advice and accept the truth regardless of the source; there's an ill-mannered group of Likudnik canvassers working on WP and I'll waste no more time dealing with them. I'd recommend others do likewise.

These guys need a special cybercafé for doing this sort of thing. And it needs a name. I'm thinking maybe Net 'n' Yahoos. It could be a big thing in New York City, maybe like that coffee nook in Barnes & Noble, but should be some kind of deli maybe, for when they've had enough already with the Chinese takeout, and know to switch to pastrami.
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post Sat 28th May 2011, 8:25pm
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QUOTE(Sololol @ Sat 28th May 2011, 6:20pm) *

QUOTE(lilburne @ Sat 28th May 2011, 10:18am) *

QUOTE
I knew about the hacker at the very moment it happened, I knew it was editing wikipedia.
I wanted to give the idiot some material to act on, but instead it found a useful idiot sol,
who did, and I am still not sure who is the hacker although I believe it is factsontheground, or how I call it liesontheground .


This is my favorite version of the story so far, "I knew what was happening and let it happen anyways." The other ones are "it was Nableezy and I was just playing along with Nocal to try and catch him", preceded by "someone hacked me and sent emails pretending to be me". The fourth version was that the whole thing was faked (made here on the forums, somewhere). If credibility is in question, never change your story.

Now we have a novel variation on the theme: preempting any disciplinary action by claiming the (currently unknown) evidence is from yet another hacking and is therefore the "fruit of a poison tree". Bravo.

Mbz1, if you really were hacked at either point I'd suggest changing your security habits.
-I believe your original claim was something about a phishing attempt by a supposed computer security company wishing to scan your email account for viruses? Never give out any passwords, credit card or bank account numbers to anyone, ever. Especially if the story is patently ridiculous (see above). This includes friends: their computer could be compromised.
-Never click on suspicious links. Even if you don't get some kind of malware they can still harvest information (I think that was one of Wordbombs old tricks for seeing IPs).
-Get multiple spybot/rootkit/anti-virus programs, update them, run them often. Redundant protection seems paranoid but different programs work better on certain kinds of malware. HiJackthis is also worth getting.

Even if one of your stories is true and I disapprove of how the information was obtained, I'll take old Maimonides advice and accept the truth regardless of the source; there's an ill-mannered group of Likudnik canvassers working on WP and I'll waste no more time dealing with them. I'd recommend others do likewise.


What is the point to lie? I have never said about "security company". How could I have say something like this, if I knew it was hacker.

Yes I did believe it was Nableezy because the hacker's IP was located in Chicago, and in the beginning I did not know it was an open proxy. I found that piece of information only after my email exchange with Avi.

I have always said that I believe some emails were written by the hacker.
I have always said emails written by me were fake to make the hacker to act on them.
I did not want to say it in a open because I still had a hope the hacker itself will act on them, but I did email this bit of information to PhillNight a long time ago, before you started harassing me with those emails. So as you could see my story has never changed.

Please do not disturb the blessed memory of Maimonides!

And about these emails, here's my advise to you: get over them, and if you cannot get over them on your own, here's what could help:
1. Print them out.
2. Use a 4-5 Enemas on yourself.
3. Go to bathroom and use the printed out emails to clean yourself.

If this threatment would not help, I am not sure what would. hrmph.gif
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post Sun 29th May 2011, 4:28am
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And about these emails, here's my advise to you: get over them, and if you cannot get over them on your own, here's what could help:
1. Print them out.
2. Use a 4-5 Enemas on yourself.
3. Go to bathroom and use the printed out emails to clean yourself.

If this threatment would not help, I am not sure what would. hrmph.gif

I'm going to be generous and assume that you are somewhere in the 1st to 2nd grade, an age at which your words might be considered humorous or perhaps witty. The alternative is too depressing. If I wanted to see people old enough to be my grandparents behaving badly I'd friend Berlusconi on facebook.

I'm sure you can explain how none of this is your fault and give whichever schlameel sympathetic enough to listen a Nixon-esque breakdown of how none of this is your fault and how your multiple stories all make sense because you were referring to one section when you said this and another when you said that and the third bit was out of context and you are being hacked on a regular basis by Hamas and and ....

Don't care. None of your stories make sense and I'm not interested in convincing you that you're guilty of things we both know damn well are true.
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Please do not disturb the blessed memory of Maimonides!

I've edited out my moment of incivility but this is just too much. Referring to Maimonides is not disturbing his memory. Paying hollow tribute to his name while ignoring his words is. Have a modicum of self-respect and avoid crude smears. If you can't understand why your words are offensive, I pity your blindness. Actually I pity you regardless.
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Net 'n' Yahoos.

There's a fortune waiting for someone in this.

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It's not like the listed users have not been known to be a part of such a group for years now as it is. I mean, this really shouldn't be news to anyone who is even vaguely aware of the I/P area.

The main reasons, in my opinion, why nothing has been done about the group are 1) No one who is uninvolved really wants to have to deal with anything in the I/P area, we've all heard the horror stories, 2) Arbcom is ditto for point 1 and because they will never do anything in regards to a group of users working together unless you have irrefutable evidence and shove it at them, and 3) a good number of the people in said group are pretty high up in the Wikipedia hierarchy and, as we all know, once you become on the god-like level of number of edits and admin abilities, you are practically untouchable.

Unless you can get perfect evidence about the cabal, nothing will ever be done. I'm still surprised anything was ever done with the CAMERA group, that was a miracle in and of itself, though I guess that came out because a bunch of admins got together to stop the group and Arbcom was forced to do something about it.
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QUOTE(Silver seren @ Sat 28th May 2011, 10:54pm) *

Unless you can get perfect evidence about the cabal, nothing will ever be done. I'm still surprised anything was ever done with the CAMERA group, that was a miracle in and of itself, though I guess that came out because a bunch of admins got together to stop the group and Arbcom was forced to do something about it.

They topic-banned a few people, very kid-glovishly. It wasn't at all like the banniation of The Kohser, driven by Jimbo's jealous outrage that somebody might have figured out a way to make more money from WP than Jimbo does (albeit by actually doing some work for it-- but for Jimbo that's not a factor, as he feels he's entitled to make money from WP without having to do anything so lowly as to write a sentence. For that matter, so does Ms. Gardner....)

Say, I'm thinking of becoming a WP ambassador-- what about you? You, too, can interact with educators at a world level. I did that, once. I used to go down to universities and talk to profs, who kept their doors open at certain hours of the day. You could (for example) go down to Caltech and talk to Gell-Mann for as long as he thought you were interesting. Which might be as long as 10 minutes if you yourself were a professional and knew about something he wanted to know about (it took him about that long to pick your brain and discard the husk).

I wonder how long this process takes if you mention Wikipedia first? smile.gif

I was on a scuba live-aboard in the gulf stream not that long ago, and mentioned Wikipedia to the captain and some of the part time oceanographers who make their money in summers guiding scuba tourists. I never failed to get a laugh, by mentioning Wikipedia. So I suppose there's that. It's a great ice-breaker, anyway. unsure.gif

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There's a book title there someplace. Around the World Mentioning Wikipedia. Save the Arabic Middle East for last, though. Keep your publisher up with your copy as you go, and designate somebody in your will, to finish it if you don't make it.
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QUOTE(Silver seren @ Sun 29th May 2011, 1:54am) *

It's not like the listed users have not been known to be a part of such a group for years now as it is. I mean, this really shouldn't be news to anyone who is even vaguely aware of the I/P area.

The main reasons, in my opinion, why nothing has been done about the group are 1) No one who is uninvolved really wants to have to deal with anything in the I/P area, we've all heard the horror stories, 2) Arbcom is ditto for point 1 and because they will never do anything in regards to a group of users working together unless you have irrefutable evidence and shove it at them, and 3) a good number of the people in said group are pretty high up in the Wikipedia hierarchy and, as we all know, once you become on the god-like level of number of edits and admin abilities, you are practically untouchable.

Unless you can get perfect evidence about the cabal, nothing will ever be done. I'm still surprised anything was ever done with the CAMERA group, that was a miracle in and of itself, though I guess that came out because a bunch of admins got together to stop the group and Arbcom was forced to do something about it.

Agree on 1 and 3. I can't blame anyone for not wanting to get involved in the I/P area although ignoring it is just going to make it worse. If the enforcers won't deal with a canvassing group/harassing sockmasters then the only logical step is the opposition's adoption of the same tactics. The others will quit or wikicide, realizing it's not worth their time or driven off by a group of editors who now realize (correctly) that they are untouchable.

An instructive example: betsythedivine reports a possible NoCal sock which Ohanaunited decides is unjustified, exonerating the editor in question, and subsequently files an ANI calling the SPI an attempted character assassination. Mbz1 weirdly shows up 40 minutes later to congratulate Ohana on the acquittal/ANI despite no involvement with the case (beyond having NoCal as a penpal and despising betsythedivine). The meatpuppet Broccoli uses the ANI for some good ole' fashioned mud-slinging, betsy feels she's unjustly being harassed and now the groups run off one more well-educated editor who had the temerity to disagree with them. She also knows exactly what's going on with NoCal/Mbz1 and company and this will kill anyone's morale; after the files rudely awakened me to what WP's judicial system will ignore I was perfectly happy to set myself up for a ban in the process of walking back the cat and verifying the emails.
As to your second point, I disagree; if this evidence isn't good enough for them then nothing ever will be. It was painstakingly fact-checked to verify authenticity (the tough bit was authenticating some of the email addresses and who owns them, you can't just ask if this is the sikrit contact info for the canvassing group; Yossi hit on the disturbingly clever idea of sending things to the addresses the editors might use on wiki -a simple barium meal test if you will- which was overly complicated but worked) and they know all about it.
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QUOTE(Sololol @ Sun 29th May 2011, 2:13pm) *
An instructive example: betsythedivine reports a possible NoCal sock which Ohanaunited decides is unjustified, exonerating the editor in question, and subsequently files an ANI calling the SPI an attempted character assassination. Mbz1 weirdly shows up 40 minutes later to congratulate Ohana on the acquittal/ANI despite no involvement with the case (beyond having NoCal as a penpal and despising betsythedivine). The meatpuppet Broccoli uses the ANI for some good ole' fashioned mud-slinging, betsy feels she's unjustly being harassed and now the groups run off one more well-educated editor who had the temerity to disagree with them. She also knows exactly what's going on with NoCal/Mbz1 and company and this will kill anyone's morale; after the files rudely awakened me to what WP's judicial system will ignore I was perfectly happy to set myself up for a ban in the process of walking back the cat and verifying the emails.

a) this looks like a diary entry by a teenage girl, bitching about the other cheerleaders.

b) I really think this thread belongs in the Annex, because it's full of POVers who are trying to "fix" the unrepairable.
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Gotta agree, while certainly entertaining, it's descending to clusterfuck levels of drama.

We all know these things exist....and we all know their particular smell. It's nice to see someone pulling back to the curtains to let in some light now and then, but if you get caught up the emotional fallout that such acts always generate you get tarred with some random label.

As far as the POV pushers coming in to give their side of the story, well, I needed a good laugh.
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Sun 29th May 2011, 6:03pm) *

QUOTE(Sololol @ Sun 29th May 2011, 2:13pm) *
An instructive example: betsythedivine reports a possible NoCal sock which Ohanaunited decides is unjustified, exonerating the editor in question, and subsequently files an ANI calling the SPI an attempted character assassination. Mbz1 weirdly shows up 40 minutes later to congratulate Ohana on the acquittal/ANI despite no involvement with the case (beyond having NoCal as a penpal and despising betsythedivine). The meatpuppet Broccoli uses the ANI for some good ole' fashioned mud-slinging, betsy feels she's unjustly being harassed and now the groups run off one more well-educated editor who had the temerity to disagree with them. She also knows exactly what's going on with NoCal/Mbz1 and company and this will kill anyone's morale; after the files rudely awakened me to what WP's judicial system will ignore I was perfectly happy to set myself up for a ban in the process of walking back the cat and verifying the emails.

a) this looks like a diary entry by a teenage girl, bitching about the other cheerleaders.

b) I really think this thread belongs in the Annex, because it's full of POVers who are trying to "fix" the unrepairable.

A)Can't argue with that. A little ranting is good for the sin-blackened soul. If I had a point it was along the lines of "This is why letting known POV pushers with 10+ blocks continue operating is bad for your site".
B)Go for it. Although the idea that it's "unrepairable" does seem to imply that someones tried.

C) How curious. Biosketch, a recent reincarnation of an old cabal member, reports that his email account was hacked. Either he's following Mbz1's and playing the victim card or Hamas has been busy. Is account hacking over wiki-drama a common occurrence?

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QUOTE(Sololol @ Mon 30th May 2011, 8:04am) *

C) How curious. Biosketch, a recent reincarnation of an old cabal member, reports that his email account was hacked. Either he's following Mbz1's and playing the victim card or Hamas has been busy. Is account hacking over wiki-drama a common occurrence?

Well, ZoshuaZ did it when caught socking. One of Poetlister's socks RachelBrown claimed something like that too (it was so complicated I forget the details, but it all turned out to be bogus, even though believed at the time by some). So yes, it's been tried. Whether it works or not depends on whether or not you have Friends in High Places on WP.
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I love how our old buddy Mila is on a crusade to send her block log down the memory hole. oversighting was denied, so now there's a 1-second block to "explain" the previous ones;

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post Wed 1st June 2011, 3:56am
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QUOTE(Tarc @ Tue 31st May 2011, 11:04pm) *

I love how our old buddy Mila is on a crusade to send her block log down the memory hole. oversighting was denied, so now there's a 1-second block to "explain" the previous ones;

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...age=User%3AMbz1

Sometimes I feel like I'm in the presence of a virtuoso; Mila plays the wiki-bureaucracy like some bizarre Soviet instrument. I've never seen an admin do that and certainly not on a series of blocks so richly deserved. This AGK fellow seems to mean well but he's a little too chummy with one camp to inspire any confidence. I applaud his efforts to clean house in the topic area but it's easy to get lost if you don't know the terrain. He's already topic banned Supreme Deliciousness after an AE brought by ...Drork, the same sock-puppeteer who's been fighting SD for years over the Golan Heights nonsense (IP slip here, linguistic fighting over GH, that's Dror)It's an unbeatable tactic: harass your opponent with a series of sock-puppets and then make it look like they are the problem (not that SD might not be a problem, but it's tough to tell).

Ah well, maybe we will get lucky and they'll just ban everyone.
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post Wed 1st June 2011, 3:28pm
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QUOTE(Sololol @ Thu 12th May 2011, 5:26pm) *

I'd received these files from an anonymous email address

Sol, in the above quote you are alleging you have got hacked emails from anonymous email address.
When you harassed me on my talk page, and I asked you why do you act on the hacker behalf you said:
"Because they are a banned user. Not that this has stopped them in the past."
When did you lied now or then or maybe you are the hacker?

Also for these of you who do not know the whole story, here's one more detail. Just before sol started harassing me at my talk page, I got email of PhilKnight's (a member of arbcom) impersonator. Whoever was that idiot, who sent me this email, sent it not only to my gmail account that was hacked, but also to my Yahoo account, that I have not been using for a few years, that a real Phil had no way of knowing! Below is the text of the email I got.

From: Phil K <parsivalarb@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 6:48 PM Subject: Bad wiki news, mbz1, read carefully To: xxxxx@gmail.com Cc: xxxxx@yahoo.com


mbz1,

I'm sorry to contact you outside of the official channels but doing otherwise could put my position in jeopardy. I'm not sure if anyone else from Arbcom has contacted you but the situation is this: your off-wiki email ring was discovered a while ago and, in exchange for leniency, two of the group members, xxx and yyy, have handed over copies of various emails (like the one attached, there are many more). They've claimed that you are the central figure behind the group, organizing DYK vote stacking and coordinating with banned users, and that they were never involved in any of the sock/meat puppeteering. The evidence they've given is damning and ,due to the severity of the lobbying, Arbcom is leaning toward blocking you and possibly a Meta-wiki block from all WP projects. Others will be blocked with xxx and yyy pardoned. I don't want to have that happen, for a few reasons.

I feel Arbcom is being manipulated by two editors, one with a history of canvassing, into making you take the blame while they get a free pass. You are a passionate advocate for your beliefs, an admirable quality, and a positive contributor to the Project, not qualities I'd associate with a canvassing ringleader. I could be wrong but I'd rather give you a chance to prove it than never hear the other side of the story. The problem is that all of the evidence points to you as the leader, other editors following your directions. What I'd need to help your case is evidence that you are not the director of this project, or at least not the only person directing the meatpuppetry. If xxx and yyy are lying to Arbcom about their role in this, if they did take part in the lobbying and weren't passive observers, then they would be blocked and I could negotiate leniency for you. You may also be able to prove that others aren't deserving of blocks but that is far more difficult. If I've misread your role in this and you are what the evidence is showing, I apologize for wasting both of our time.

Arbcom moves slowly but this currently an open-and-shut case and will be finished in a few days unless there's reason to reconsider. I know contacting you like this is highly irregular but I believe in the seriousness of our duties and have no wish to punish associated figures while the chief wrongdoers go free.

If you've any material you'd like me to inspect, either before or after your block, I will do what I can on your behalf. This is the only chance I can offer you. Best of luck.


This email was examined by a language expert and they concluded it was probably written by sol

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