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Despite umpteen threats to "leave", the last one that Malleus won't edit an article again until his demands are met.

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I won't be returning to editing articles until User:Georgewilliamherbert puts his money where his mouth is with respect to his threat to take User:Mkativerata to ArbCom for unblocking me, during which investigation I hope that [[User:Kaldari]]'s behaviour will also come under scrutiny.

I'll wait as long as it takes. It's time for George to walk the walk, no more empty threats.


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Can someone sum this situation up for me? What has Malleus been up to lately?
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QUOTE(everyking @ Tue 1st November 2011, 3:35pm) *

Can someone sum this situation up for me? What has Malleus been up to lately?


The usual, really:

Malleus and a guy get into an argument with both going at each other.

Other guy complains and Malleus is blocked. Other guy just gets a warning.

Malleus is unblocked. He and his supporters declare war on corrupt administrators.

Malleus's supporters, opponents, WP:CIVIL warriors, British language culture experts, drama queens, and hecklers come out swinging at each other like opposing European football teams out for blood.

Blocking administrator is castigated for blocking Malleus.

Unblocking administrator is castigated for not informing the blocking administrator.

Threats are made to take the whole thing to ArbCom.

Despite the vitriol and hyperbole, some calm is returning though tensions remain (much like the Middle East or the Balkans).

If history is any guide:

The status quo ante bellum will return (at least until the next major flare-up), or this will go to ArbCom.

Arbcom would rather be slowly digested in the Sarlacc Pit for over a thousand years than deal with this case and will do everything to stop the thing being thrown in their laps. After a long, painful, time-consuming trial, the ArbCom will admonish/caution/remind/WP:TROUT/whatever everyone involved, encourage everyone to engage in peace and love, and wash their hands of the matter (at least until the next major flare-up). If sanctions are enacted (via the ArbCom case, another case, amendment, clarification or motion), zealots on every side will argue over minutiae, bureaucratic details, the definition of WP:INVOLVED as well as WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL, among other things. Zealots will enforce the ruling to punish the opposing side and ignore/water down sanctions against their side. ArbCom will have to make several clarifications/amendments/motions to deal with the zealotry and misery involved. Eventually, this will go long enough that the community, ArbCom, and all sides decide to give it all up as no one can win or get "justice," so everything goes back to the status quo ante bellum (at least until the next major flare-up).

The deeper problems are never solved, resulting a Cold War-esque atmosphere that exists just beneath the surface before erupting like a super-volcano and restarting the whole dog-gone process all over again.

I think that summarizes everything. Right, Malleus?
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QUOTE(The Joy @ Tue 1st November 2011, 10:30pm) *

QUOTE(everyking @ Tue 1st November 2011, 3:35pm) *

Can someone sum this situation up for me? What has Malleus been up to lately?


The usual, really:

Malleus and a guy get into an argument with both going at each other.

Other guy complains and Malleus is blocked. Other guy just gets a warning.

Malleus is unblocked. He and his supporters declare war on corrupt administrators.

Malleus's supporters, opponents, WP:CIVIL warriors, British language culture experts, drama queens, and hecklers come out swinging at each other like opposing European football teams out for blood.

Blocking administrator is castigated for blocking Malleus.

Unblocking administrator is castigated for not informing the blocking administrator.

Threats are made to take the whole thing to ArbCom.

Despite the vitriol and hyperbole, some calm is returning though tensions remain (much like the Middle East or the Balkans).

If history is any guide:

The status quo ante bellum will return (at least until the next major flare-up), or this will go to ArbCom.

Arbcom would rather be slowly digested in the Sarlacc Pit for over a thousand years than deal with this case and will do everything to stop the thing being thrown in their laps. After a long, painful, time-consuming trial, the ArbCom will admonish/caution/remind/WP:TROUT/whatever everyone involved, encourage everyone to engage in peace and love, and wash their hands of the matter (at least until the next major flare-up). If sanctions are enacted (via the ArbCom case, another case, amendment, clarification or motion), zealots on every side will argue over minutiae, bureaucratic details, the definition of WP:INVOLVED as well as WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL, among other things. Zealots will enforce the ruling to punish the opposing side and ignore/water down sanctions against their side. ArbCom will have to make several clarifications/amendments/motions to deal with the zealotry and misery involved. Eventually, this will go long enough that the community, ArbCom, and all sides decide to give it all up as no one can win or get "justice," so everything goes back to the status quo ante bellum (at least until the next major flare-up).

The deeper problems are never solved, resulting a Cold War-esque atmosphere that exists just beneath the surface before erupting like a super-volcano and restarting the whole dog-gone process all over again.

I think that summarizes everything. Right, Malleus?


Can't say I fault ArbCom on this one.

But someone should give some of these people a kick in the ass. Sometimes just summoning up some chutzpah and reporting one of them to AE or wherever else - even if YOU KNOW nothing will happen - can shut them up for awhile and make them think twice next time.
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QUOTE(radek @ Wed 2nd November 2011, 12:12am) *

Can't say I fault ArbCom on this one.

But someone should give some of these people a kick in the ass. Sometimes just summoning up some chutzpah and reporting one of them to AE or wherever else - even if YOU KNOW nothing will happen - can shut them up for awhile and make them think twice next time.


Technically, ArbCom hasn't ruled on this... yet. Georgewilliamherbert (T-C-L-K-R-D) promises it will go to ArbCom but it seems he has pulled a brave Sir Robyn and made a swift retreat, leaving all in limbo.

Just replace "Malleus" with "Giano" or "Georgewilliamherbert" with "Chillum" and you realize that this pattern has continued for many, many years with no end in sight. The actors change, but the script stays the same.
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QUOTE(The Joy @ Wed 2nd November 2011, 2:31am) *

Just replace "Malleus" with "Giano" or "Georgewilliamherbert" with "Chillum" and you realize that this pattern has continued for many, many years with no end in sight. The actors change, but the script stays the same.


Oh, please, the actors work on completely different scripts because their personalities are so different. Malleus comes across like Stewart Granger in a 1950s MGM Technicolor adventure -- you half expect him with Ava Gardner in his left arm while he balances a gin and tonic with his right hand.

In comparison, Giano behaves like Mr. Bacciagalupe from the old Abbott and Costello TV show, while Chillum seems like a refugee from "Reefer Madness" and GWH is one of the OCD-type dweebs of "The Big Bang Theory."
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Wed 2nd November 2011, 10:26am) *

In comparison, Giano behaves like Mr. Bacciagalupe from the old Abbott and Costello TV show, while Chillum seems like a refugee from "Reefer Madness" and GWH is one of the OCD-type dweebs of "The Big Bang Theory."

My dear, most of them are like Big Bang Theory characters.

(And oh, by the way, Sheldon Cooper is now 78k bytes long with 110 references. He's their hero! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/yak.gif) )
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chrisoff   Is Malleus addicted to Wikipedia?  
Tarc   But someone should give some of these people a kic...  
Malleus   Just replace "Malleus" with "Giano...  
mbz1   Technically, ArbCom hasn't ruled on this......  
jd turk   Malleus and a guy get into an argument with both ...  
Malleus   Seems a fair summary.  
Ottava   If ArbCom wanted to try an experiment that would w...  
Vigilant   If ArbCom wanted to try an experiment that would ...  
chrisoff   Come on. Malleus loves this stuff. Loves to be blo...  
melloden   Come on. Malleus loves this stuff. Loves to be bl...  
chrisoff   If ArbCom wanted to try an experiment that would ...  
The Joy   ArbCom is actually going along with this? Ah, but...  
TungstenCarbide   ArbCom is actually going along with this? Ah, bu...  
Ottava   ArbCom is actually going along with this? Ah, b...  
Vigilant   [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='287648' date=...  
SB_Johnny   In fact, WP:ANI has a professional baiter who...  
chrisoff   Dig this ARCHIVING by Ms "what the fuck...  
GlassBeadGame   Like William Burroughs could tell you: you shall k...  
chrisoff   Hey, thanks! Fits Malleus to a "T". ...  
mbz1   Another time., and after this and this Well, good...  
A Horse With No Name   Another time., and after this and this Well, goo...  
mbz1   Malleus says: He is right, except I would have ...  
chrisoff   Another time., and after this and this Well, goo...  
Malleus   Malleus thinks it will be over by December 29? I t...  
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A Horse With No Name   Perhaps that will reduce his need to call other p...  
mbz1   [quote name='chrisoff' post='291580' date='Sat 24...  
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jd turk   Since the template itself has been changed, you w...  
mbz1   [quote name='mbz1' post='291769' date='Tue 27th D...  
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mbz1   In a meantime Malleus talk is getting a big traffi...  
chrisoff   In a meantime Malleus talk is getting a big traff...  
mbz1   And now "Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/...  
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chrisoff   Don't edit when you're drunk. And don...  
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Ego Trippin' (Part Two)   I really do not know what this arbitration case i...  
mbz1   I do expect ArbCom to use this case to desysop H...  
Ego Trippin' (Part Two)   He was not wheel-warring. He blocked Malleus over...  
jd turk   He was not wheel-warring. He blocked Malleus ove...  
melloden   Don't edit when you're drunk. And don...  
A Horse With No Name   And now "Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case...  
that one guy   [quote name='mbz1' post='291947' date='Thu 29th D...  
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