Outrageous, ArbCom puts field hand Giano in his place Options

I don't believe they will let Giano go. Half of the ArbCom wants him banned for 90 days, an incredibly extreme position, so it stands to reason they will insist on some kind of penalty being imposed, perhaps a ban of shorter duration. It would only take one swing vote.

My greatest wiki dream is to learn MONGO's real name, get ahold of an admin account, and edit the MediaWiki namespace page that determines the rollback edit summary to say "MONGO'S REAL NAME IS *******"

So if anyone ever learns of his real name, let me know.

I dunno Everyking, everyone looks pretty set. Most of the opposers are doing so quite firmly, I'm sure the most recent (Blnguyen) wouldn't have just jumped on board to oppose if he wasn't sure. Who do you suppose will swing?

This post has been edited by Miltopia: Fri 30th November 2007, 3:38pm

I don't believe they will let Giano go. Half of the ArbCom wants him banned for 90 days, an incredibly extreme position, so it stands to reason they will insist on some kind of penalty being imposed, perhaps a ban of shorter duration. It would only take one swing vote.

See this could get interesting, given Giano's strong friendships with longtime users.

I don't think that this gang realizes that too many people are freaked out by their antics.

In other words, Giano Punishment = hell to pay.

Much more interesting that Durova's sham case. Where she'll get re-sysopped on the claim that this was all a mistaken, when no one is looking. The rules are already being gerrymandered to support that claim. A deal was apparently cut, ex post facto, to reinstate her. Again, this won't fly easily, so it will be quite interesting to watch.

This post has been edited by Disillusioned Lackey: Fri 30th November 2007, 3:47pm

I think Iranians would have something to say about you calling them Arabic Most Iranians speak Farsi (Persian). I assume you meant Muslim?

Oh for f's sake. Yes, I know Persian's aren't arabic, nor are all muslims arabs, nor all arabs muslims. Thanks for bringing that to the fore.

Sorry, but I'm focusing on the issue of this board.

Umm please don't have a go at me for correcting something that you did say- how was I meant to know you didn't actually think Iran was Arabic when that is what you said. It would be nice if sometimes people could say oops I made a mistake there instead of going apeshit about being criticized.

It would be nice if sometimes people could say oops I made a mistake there instead of going apeshit about being criticized.

Oops! I made a mistake there!

Umm please don't have a go at me for correcting something that you did say- how was I meant to know you didn't actually think Iran was Arabic when that is what you said. It would be nice if sometimes people could say oops I made a mistake there instead of going apeshit about being criticized.

My point?: Why doesn't anyone look up there and notice that someone from a DOD contrator is making edits (supposedly to a Macy's IP) in a surprisingly Durova-like manner, to support 'copyright' protections, which was Durova's idea for protecting her lame communications.

To respond to your question: Apeshit? I think not. Its not the criticism, it is the context. First: I made an offhand simile odd reference to politics, in a post. I was wrote that Iran was admired in much of the ME, as a functioning democracy, neglecting the qualifier "by Arabs". Guy pointed out that this omitted Israel, and I explained that this was an Arab point of view I'd noticed (noting that I found this worrisome). I then typed "Arabic democracy" instead of "ME democracy" in my reply. You then informed me that Iran was not an Arab state, which I'm well apprised of, and sought to further discuss Israel and comparative political change vis-a-vis the Gulf States. That's not why I'm posting on this board.

This post has been edited by Disillusioned Lackey: Fri 30th November 2007, 7:44pm

Actually some of the smaller gulf states are making quicker moves to democracy than Iran, although it is probably fair to say Iran is better on the rights of women than those. As for Israel, in my opinion you don't ethnically cleanse people of a different religion in their hundreds of thousands if not millions and then say because most of you now agree that is a democracy.

I won't sidetrack the thread by replying.

Amen. Though there is a thread for that.

Anyway, Kirill has supported closing, putting it at 3/2, one net vote. Looks like it's coming down to those in favor of a ban against those who aren't. A filibuster if there ever was one on the part of Fred and evil, evil Flo.

This is just becoming amusing at this point. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out in a month, though - it's a shame the stalemate won't last that long, because when Bauder's gone, are they going to have to revisit it if a sane Arb gets placed in his stead?

Raul and Uninvited to close, Uninvited is pissy about losing so he wants to "remand to Jimbo" those issues with tied votes. Ha!

Let's see what Jimbo's made of. Will he make good on his threat to ban Giano?

Raul and Uninvited to close, Uninvited is pissy about losing so he wants to "remand to Jimbo" those issues with tied votes. Ha!

Let's see what Jimbo's made of. Will he make good on his threat to ban Giano?

He might. But by now Jimbo might have lost interest. Jimbo got involved due to the high-drama quotient of Durova's email being on wiki. That's done, and the case is almost done. If Jimbo does take the time to ban Giano, I suspect he'll be surprised by the response. But JImbo has other fish to fry. I doubt he'll roll in the mud. Though anything is possible.

This post has been edited by Disillusioned Lackey: Fri 30th November 2007, 5:38pm

I then typed "Arabic" instead of ME" in my reply. You then informed me that Iran was not an Arab state, which I'm well apprised of,

Right so you made a mistake, there is no way that I could have known it was not a misconception on your part rather than a simple typo so don't have a go at me for sidetracking the thread.

Sincere apologies for any offense. From my point of view I'd mistyped once, and the explanation was being parsed, and, I felt, distracted from the main point.

Things were quite interesting today, so I dont understand why that isn't the fous.

Grimly, I note that the only active arbitrator who has not yet voted on the 90 day remedy is James F., who is in my experience an unreasonable person. Still, let's hold out hope that he will get it right this time.

Dredging this comment up from the last page-

I disagree with your characterization. James F. is by far one of the most reasonable and merciful arbiters, if a bit of a stickler for rules and procedure. He's useful as a bellwether of punishment. Whatever James supports will almost always be the minimum the subject is going to get away with.

I disagree with your characterization. James F. is by far one of the most reasonable and merciful arbiters, if a bit of a stickler for rules and procedure. He's useful as a bellwether of punishment. Whatever James supports will almost always be the minimum the subject is going to get away with.

Bull. He's historically been one to glom onto Fred's poor reasoning and take too much stock in poor evidence. He's one of the 4 of the current crop I don't trust under any circumstances.

And he's just prolonged the case! 6 to close, 3 opposed, leaving them just one short of the 4 net votes. Wow, I have never seen such a divisive decision. They are just all over the place. This is fun to watch.w

I as hoping they'd close it off and Giano would shoop right through the burning ring of banning, but Jdforrester wants to "examine Jehochman". I think everyone forgot about him, despite his name appearing in the case. hey ought to get Mercury to, he's as much a meatpuppet if not more, since he's still listening to Durova. But at least they're considering Jehochman, and I hope they come up with something good. He's a bastard.

This post has been edited by Miltopia: Fri 30th November 2007, 9:36pm

... But at least they're considering Jehochman, and I hope they come up with something good. He's a bastard.

I didn't say it, Jonathan! I didn't say it! That's Miltopia, one of "your" own from "your" side!

Greg

Since when has a mere trifling detail like the identity of the poster ever stopped him?

What?