QUOTE(Moulton @ Fri 14th December 2007, 10:00am)
QUOTE(WhispersOfWisdom @ Fri 14th December 2007, 10:45am)
Real names and real credentials are what work in the real world.
Amen.
Yes, but not always on the internet. I'm of the "aliases are not the main issue" camp. Durova's been saying her name in the media for months, and has it turned her into a nice woman? JeHochman uses his real name, and is he a nice guy?
Well?
Ok, then. (IMG:
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Having said that, it is galling that people behind masks can attack people in their real names (suckers!). Yes. Just that taking everyone's mask off isn't going to solve the problem, at its core. I've seen lots of abuse on chatboards. Attacking real names from behind a mask is only one ploy.
The real way to stop it is to have someone at the top who finds the abuse unacceptable. No other way, really. And
THAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE, imuho. (IMG:
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QUOTE(Timp @ Fri 14th December 2007, 9:34am)
Now Durova seems to want a policy of only engaging "reliable sources," or even to blacklist papers that publish something Wikipedia doesn't like. Been
done, I think.
At the risk of being like Durova and squealing "COI" (squealing being a word for Durova, lol), if she really wanted to propose such changes, and she had any foggy clue about how to really deal with people, she's shut her piehole for about a few months. Right now, she is really, really embarassing, to the Foundation, to WP, and probably even to Jimbo (though Im sure he would never tell her that, I'd be highly unsurprised if he groused to a few people).
She's brought shame on the ranks. The thing to do for now is hunker down.
But she's such a drama queen (which is what caused the problems, and why she attacked people so much, drama, drama, drama factory), that she cant be quiet long enough to read the writing on the wall.
She may well be the little soldier that brings down the entire army. Really.
QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 14th December 2007, 8:52am)
What strikes me as amazing is that Durova continues to advocate a policy of WP:DENY vis-a-vis critics of the project. That is, she would rather ignore adversarial (yet potentially constructive) commentary, rather than engage with it and look for common ground solutions.
Does she have any small tiny chink of awareness of how damaging to Wikipedia is the open suggestion of blacklisting publications which have badmouthed HER with information that is openly viewable online? Really?
She's making some of the most ugly aspects of Wikipedia (cronyism and censorship) evident. Most corrupt people are smarter than this, I have to say.
QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 14th December 2007, 8:52am)
It really is a shame Durova didn't win a seat on ArbCom. Wikipedia would have imploded within a few months.
Greg
OH YEAH. Well, it isn't for lack of your strong support and promotion. That you got not ONE purchase is kind of a sad commentary. I thought of buying one, but then I thought: Do I want to see D's face on my morning coffee? Do I want to see her face in my t-shirt drawer? And the answer was.............. (IMG:
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