Articles that you don't expect NOT to be in Wikipedia Options

[thekohser]

Just a thread to add those subjects where you fully expect there would have been a Wikipedia article about it, but there isn't.

Bob Welch songs:

* Sentimental Lady

* Hypnotized (the one made famous by Fleetwood Mac) (not this garbage)

Musical group:

* The Ebonys

Law firm:

* Jackson Lewis (over 500 attorneys)

[The Joy]

Gottlob Espenlaub

*Gottlob Espenlaub (T-H-L-K-D) (nothing there!)

[Firsfron of Ronchester]

I was quite surprised there was not only no article on the NTA Film Network (T-H-L-K-D), there actually was no mention of it, anywhere on Wikipedia (I remedied that last month). Wikipedia's strength is usually in pop culture, so you'd expect some sort of mention of a network with over 100 local stations and a television series which won an early Peabody Award.

[EricBarbour]

That's a good one. Espenlaub was a somewhat important figure in German aviation.
I've got a book about it, it mentions Espenlaub as a coworker with Lippisch.

I wonder...was there a bio about him on WP in the past, that someone deleted for
bizarre/no reason? Or perhaps because of his involvement with some nasty secret
Nazi projects during the war?

Anyway, he made bitchin' cars.
(IMG:http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss273/metasonix/es15.jpg)

[Casliber]

Cool! More DYKs a-coming...~~~~

[Lar]

That's a good one. Espenlaub was a somewhat important figure in German aviation.
I've got a book about it, it mentions Espenlaub as a coworker with Lippisch.

I wonder...was there a bio about him on WP in the past, that someone deleted for
bizarre/no reason? Or perhaps because of his involvement with some nasty secret
Nazi projects during the war?

Anyway, he made bitchin' cars.
(IMG:http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss273/metasonix/es15.jpg)

Those post war ones are nice (the one in back looks vaguely jag-etype-ish to me) but the prewar streamliners are very cool (for some reason they reminded me of Zeros due to the way the windows were done).

I agree, this is the sort of bio that one would think WP would have.

[Guido den Broeder]

* Myalgic encephalomyelitis

Then again, its absence is rather exactly what one would expect.

* Might and Magic Tribute

Could well be the longest running computer game fan project that is still making progress.

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[CharlotteWebb]

* Hypnotized (the one made famous by Fleetwood Mac) (not this garbage)

Greg, I'd nominate this as the most surprisingly constructive WR thread of the year. It seems like a dream.

I've been keeping a similar list of glaring omissions, mostly in plain sight. My favorite observation so far is that WP has no article discussing the interpretations of the notorious "wheel inside a wheel" mentioned in the book of Ezekiel.

I'm almost sure von Däniken speculated that the iron chariots of Canaan were fitted with wheels inside wheels, but I can't find a source for this. Apparently he's still alive so there exists an outside chance that I could contact him and get a statement to this effect, maybe an autograph too! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

Next on my list is Simón Radowitzky. I know bat-shit revolutionaries in latin america are a dime a dozen, but this guy was unique being from the Ukraine. He already has a WP article in German, Spanish, and Polish, but not in English.

Despite this the enwiki project still maintains the same air of cultish superiority which leaves ignorant readers and editors believing that la lingua anglofonica leads the wikisphere on every front and is very close to complete.

[zvook]

editors believing that la lingua anglofonica leads the wikisphere on every front and is very close to complete.

There's little doubt a WP functioning properly would still be in its growth phase even by the lights of the systemic bias of contributors. I have a stack of such articles, but I'm not sure what the point of this thread is except for

Cool! More DYKs a-coming...~~~~

Edit: Now with added growth phase

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[Eva Destruction]

* Myalgic encephalomyelitis

Then again, its absence is rather exactly what one would expect.

Myalgic encephalomyelitis. The editor with the highest number of edits to it is, er, you.

[A Horse With No Name]

There is no article on the 1974 film version of Simon Gray's "Butley," which was directed by Harold Pinter and starred Alan Bates and Jessica Tandy. That's quite a pop culture gap.

[CharlotteWebb]

There is no article on the 1974 film version of Simon Gray's "Butley," which was directed by Harold Pinter and starred Alan Bates and Jessica Tandy. That's quite a pop culture gap.

I don't know if anybody else is familiar with a TV network called "This" (seriously), and they don't quite have access to the Ted Turner vault, but they do play a lot of old B-thru-Z-movies I had never heard of. Among the ones I recall watching, most of them lack a WP article.

It might be blaxploitation week right now. Yesterday I watched Slaughter starring former football player Jim Brown, and Miami Cops (which more like an urban spaghetti western) starring whatsizname who played Shaft.

Fascinating stuff, but where are the wiki-pages? Everybody keeps saying "pop culture" is WP's strong suit... well I pity the fool!

[Milton Roe]

* Myalgic encephalomyelitis

Then again, its absence is rather exactly what one would expect.

Myalgic encephalomyelitis. The editor with the highest number of edits to it is, er, you.

Yes, and Guido is spinning it as a giant WP conspiracy, when it in fact it really must be spun as a Canada vs. (UK and US) conspiracy, since the UK and US definitions don't recognize "myalgic encephalomyelitis." Worse still the "consensus document" from Canada about ME is symptom-driven: objective tests are not needed criteria. This is despite what you'll read on ME websites which claim that there are objective tests for ME. Even Canada recognizes none. So much for THAT consensus.

Beware any document labeled "consensus." That word means there is no consensus, else there would have been no reason to create the document and try to force one. There certainly is none here.

As for the giant conspiracy which covers up something that the WHO believed in, in 1969, well, science moves on. Once upon a time we didn't believe in continental drift, either. Even the guy who first came up with the serious idea for it, had no mechanism. If the mechanism was THAT obvious, how come Wegener didn't propose it? Answer: because it wasn't so obvious. That's progress. Once somebody had the mechanism, it was accepted.

We're still waiting for the mechanism of "chronic fatigue." Until it arrives, it will not be accepted science, no matter how many Canadians whine and demand consensus from the rest of the medical world.

[A Horse With No Name]

There is no article on the 1974 film version of Simon Gray's "Butley," which was directed by Harold Pinter and starred Alan Bates and Jessica Tandy. That's quite a pop culture gap.

I don't know if anybody else is familiar with a TV network called "This" (seriously), and they don't quite have access to the Ted Turner vault, but they do play a lot of old B-thru-Z-movies I had never heard of. Among the ones I recall watching, most of them lack a WP article.

It might be blaxploitation week right now. Yesterday I watched Slaughter starring former football player Jim Brown, and Miami Cops (which more like an urban spaghetti western) starring whatsizname who played Shaft.

Fascinating stuff, but where are the wiki-pages? Everybody keeps saying "pop culture" is WP's strong suit... well I pity the fool!

There is a guy on WP with the moniker of Lugnuts who spends too much time filling in gaps for obscure films. He is one of the better under-the-radar editors out there.

[CharlotteWebb]

There is a guy on WP with the moniker of Lugnuts who spends too much time filling in gaps for obscure films. He is one of the better under-the-radar editors out there.

I should make him a customized barnstar and a tire iron to go with it.

[A Horse With No Name]

There is a guy on WP with the moniker of Lugnuts who spends too much time filling in gaps for obscure films. He is one of the better under-the-radar editors out there.

I should make him a customized barnstar and a tire iron to go with it.

Really, you (or someone here) should nominate him for adminship. Unlike the Xeno or Guy Chapman types who do absolutely nothing of value, someone like Lugnuts is a real Net positive who is actually improving content without drama or error.

[EricBarbour]

Really, you (or someone here) should nominate him for adminship. Unlike the Xeno or Guy Chapman types who do absolutely nothing of value, someone like Lugnuts is a real Net positive who is actually improving content without drama or error.

Yep, all he's got to show for 3 years of hard work are a few BSes. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/yecch.gif)

That's another charming feature of WP: the slimy backstabbing bastards get all the power and attention,
while hardworking editors get nothing but a few thank-yous. (Just like real life.)

[Guido den Broeder]

* Myalgic encephalomyelitis

Then again, its absence is rather exactly what one would expect.

Myalgic encephalomyelitis. The editor with the highest number of edits to it is, er, you.

Hmm, that is CFS, not ME.
Not that my edits on that article helped, all 217 of them were reverted by the NHS during their case at the UK High Court.

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[Guido den Broeder]

Yes, and Guido is spinning it as a giant WP conspiracy, when it in fact it really must be spun as a Canada vs. (UK and US) conspiracy, since the UK and US definitions don't recognize "myalgic encephalomyelitis." Worse still the "consensus document" from Canada about ME is symptom-driven: objective tests are not needed criteria. This is despite what you'll read on ME websites which claim that there are objective tests for ME. Even Canada recognizes none. So much for THAT consensus.

I take it that you have not actually read the document. The Canadian consensus definition of ME/CFS (i.e. not of ME or CFS separately!) includes a protocol that describes what research needs to be done. The old Fukuda and Holmes definitions for CFS (we now have Reeves, that is 10 times as many patients) also explicitly state that patients need to be thoroughly medically examined. Obviously, no CFS definition recognizes ME, just like no definition of cancer or of a bicycle does. ME definitions recognize ME. There are UK (Ramsay) and Canadian (Hyde) definitions of ME.

As for the giant conspiracy which covers up something that the WHO believed in, in 1969, well, science moves on.

It certainly does. Wikipedia otoh only moves backwards.

We're still waiting for the mechanism of "chronic fatigue."

The mechanism of chronic fatigue is well known and has been for quite some time, in part thanks to ME researchers like Behan.

[A Horse With No Name]

Really, you (or someone here) should nominate him for adminship. Unlike the Xeno or Guy Chapman types who do absolutely nothing of value, someone like Lugnuts is a real Net positive who is actually improving content without drama or error.

Yep, all he's got to show for 3 years of hard work are a few BSes. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/yecch.gif)

That's another charming feature of WP: the slimy backstabbing bastards get all the power and attention,
while hardworking editors get nothing but a few thank-yous. (Just like real life.)

Oh, you are following the Majorly RfA, too? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

[EricBarbour]

Oh, you are following the Majorly RfA, too? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

Yep, and it's just increasing my cynicism to boilover levels.

Does he really think all this will be forgiven? Or has he been butt-kissing
for months, in preparation for his triumphant return to the Fold of Glory? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/yecch.gif)

Hmm, looks like the ultimate atrocity might come to pass.
Vote right now is 45-10-3.

I've long and vaguely suspected that Alex had a slight Wiki-whoring asshole complex.
After seeing this, I'm SURE of it. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif)

[The Joy]

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[Milton Roe]

I've long and vaguely suspected that Alex had a slight Wiki-whoring asshole complex.
After seeing this, I'm SURE of it. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif)

Sucks-up to be him. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sad.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/yecch.gif)

Hilarious that he asked me what I was doing wasting my time, here. Back at you, Alex. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[A Horse With No Name]

Oh, you are following the Majorly RfA, too? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

Yep, and it's just increasing my cynicism to boilover levels.

Does he really think all this will be forgiven? Or has he been butt-kissing
for months, in preparation for his triumphant return to the Fold of Glory? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/yecch.gif)

Hmm, looks like the ultimate atrocity might come to pass.
Vote right now is 45-10-3.

I've long and vaguely suspected that Alex had a slight Wiki-whoring asshole complex.
After seeing this, I'm SURE of it. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif)

Champagne time for you, Eric...the RfA is at 67%. Barring a St. Jude intervention, I suspect Alex won't be mopping up Wikipedia for another six months.

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[Sarcasticidealist]

I was surprised to see that there's no article for Scotty (Bulldog) Olson, a pretty famous flyweight boxer back in the eighties and nineties (especially so in my neck of the woods, but I'm told he was also the most popular fighter in Vegas for a time). It's a BLP that Wikipedia could probably do without, so I'm not complaining, but I'm surprised he's not in there.

[LessHorrid vanU]

There is no article on the 1974 film version of Simon Gray's "Butley," which was directed by Harold Pinter and starred Alan Bates and Jessica Tandy. That's quite a pop culture gap.

I don't know if anybody else is familiar with a TV network called "This" (seriously), and they don't quite have access to the Ted Turner vault, but they do play a lot of old B-thru-Z-movies I had never heard of. Among the ones I recall watching, most of them lack a WP article.

It might be blaxploitation week right now. Yesterday I watched Slaughter starring former football player Jim Brown, and Miami Cops (which more like an urban spaghetti western) starring whatsizname who played Shaft.

Fascinating stuff, but where are the wiki-pages? Everybody keeps saying "pop culture" is WP's strong suit... well I pity the fool!

Surely, the thing about true "pop culture" is that it only references the pop culture of "Now" - what was the pop culture of yesterday is now so much forgotten news. To re-interpret Andy Warhol, "In the future everyone will be famous for 15 minutes... and then consigned to oblivion as the next 15 minuter gets their go."

I had to undo some editors redirect of John Lennon's "How Do You Sleep?" article to a disambig page because there appears to be some C&W artist (extremely co-incidently surnamed McCartney, Mr Manager/Songwriter) who is/was having a big hit in those charts with a tune of the same name. In all honesty, the writer was unfamiliar with the Lennon track and wasn't aware of the nature of its origin and when advised wondered if it really was that notable being as Lennon and McCartney were hardly front page news these days... Of course, is my reverence to my pop culture icons obscuring the true worth of articles relating to them?

[Firsfron of Ronchester]

Surely, the thing about true "pop culture" is that it only references the pop culture of "Now" - what was the pop culture of yesterday is now so much forgotten news. To re-interpret Andy Warhol, "In the future everyone will be famous for 15 minutes... and then consigned to oblivion as the next 15 minuter gets their go."

I had to undo some editors redirect of John Lennon's "How Do You Sleep?" article to a disambig page because there appears to be some C&W artist (extremely co-incidently surnamed McCartney, Mr Manager/Songwriter) who is/was having a big hit in those charts with a tune of the same name. In all honesty, the writer was unfamiliar with the Lennon track and wasn't aware of the nature of its origin and when advised wondered if it really was that notable being as Lennon and McCartney were hardly front page news these days... Of course, is my reverence to my pop culture icons obscuring the true worth of articles relating to them?

Heh. Not in the news right now, so "not notable".

I've experienced the same thing with early television articles. "Never heard of it" seems to mean "not notable", even on articles that are fully referenced to books.

[sbrown]

Theres loads of people on German wikipeida not on the English one. First I hit using random page was Hans Walter Wolff

http://www.augsburgfortress.org/store/item...ibutorcode=2414

"Hans Walter Wolff is emeritus professor of Old Testament at the University of Heidelberg and the author of many widely used studies."

(The links wrong hes dead.)


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[thekohser]

No article about geographical feature Leverick Bay.

In my opinion, one of the most beautiful bays in the entire world, so maybe it's best that no Wikipediots become aware of it.

[One]

Law firm:

* Jackson Lewis (over 500 attorneys)

Holy cow, 41 offices! In fairness to Wikipedia, this firm (employment law) has apparently been growing very fast as the economy crumbles. Here's a nice list of other missing large lawfirms.

[Milton Roe]

Theres loads of people on German wikipeida not on the English one. First I hit using random page was Hans Walter Wolff

http://www.augsburgfortress.org/store/item...ibutorcode=2414

"Hans Walter Wolff is emeritus professor of Old Testament at the University of Heidelberg and the author of many widely used studies."

(The links wrong hes dead.)

If you die the link should quit working.

I keep thinking of George Carlin wanting to know if you die while "on hold," on the phone, if the little light goes out...

Seems like it should. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hmmm.gif)

[EricBarbour]

Lots of special-purpose vacuum tubes were made, mostly between WWII and 1960.
Most of them aren't on Wikipedia, except (at most) as passing mentions in related articles.
All of these were historically significant, many were used in early digital computers or radar.

Phasitron (in the 1950s, most of the FM broadcast transmitters in America used one.)

Zahl Tube (very important in early development of radar)

Trochotron (only mentioned in the Nixie tube article because I put it there long ago....)

Pixie tube (ditto)

Orbital-beam tube (mentioned in the Secondary Emission article, only because I put it there. Three of them were in the SCR-270 radar that gave early warning of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941. I would call that "historically significant".)

Radechon (used as memory in the Rice R1 computer of 1959)

Graphecon

Scan converters (a variety of designs)

Alphechon (one of the world's rarest collectible tubes--used as memory in RCA's Spectra 70 computer system display terminals, all of which were junked in 1970-72.)

Sheet-beam tube

Square-law tube (extremely rare item, used only in tube analog computers)

There's an article about Robert von Lieben, but it barely mentions the amplifying tube he invented, at about the same time as deForest.

I'll probably think of others later.

Plus there were two monostable-multivibrator circuits often seen in early computers, that were tube-only: the sanatron and the phantastron. This guy is using a phantastron circuit for musical sound effects.

This is a pathetic list. Lots of errors and thousands of omissions.

Why don't I add the articles? Why should I, when some teenage RPGer
will just go in and wreck them a few weeks later? You do it.


And finally....... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

[The Joy]

Un bon petit Diable

Un bon petit Diable (T-H-L-K-D) Not there!

[EricBarbour]

Almost forgot the beam commutator tube--extremely rare. One of National Union Co's most insane ideas.

(In fact, there's no article about National Union either.)

[Peter Damian]

Anomalistic psychology - now a well established discipline (try Google). Nothing much in Wikipedia, certainly not an article.

[MBisanz]

Peter Symonds - You would think some student at Peter Symonds College would have created at least a stub about the person the school is named after.

oh, and of course we have a trivia section in the college article, unsourced as usual:

The current principal, Neil Hopkins is now the only principal not to have a building in the college named after him, and instead the landfill site in front of the Northbrook building which was demolished has been affectionately called Hopkins' Hump.

[CharlotteWebb]

Peter Symonds - You would think some student at Peter Symonds College would have created at least a stub about the person the school is named after.

I'm sure User:PeterSymonds can handle that.

[thekohser]

In Wikipedia's List of banks, there are no banks from the United States listed. Thirteen banks from Botswana listed, but none from the USA.

Makes a lot of sense.

[CharlotteWebb]

In Wikipedia's List of banks, there are no banks from the United States listed. Thirteen banks from Botswana listed, but none from the USA.

Ah, well we're just "countering systemic bias" obviously. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

No, the real answer, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&action=history

It was split off into a separate list of U.S. banks, which was denounced as list-cruft because it almost numbered over 9,000. Thus it was "merged" to [[Banking in the United States]] (without salvaging any part of the list).

Pretty stupid if you ask me.

[Malleus]

Lots of special-purpose vacuum tubes were made, mostly between WWII and 1960.
Most of them aren't on Wikipedia, except (at most) as passing mentions in related articles.
All of these were historically significant, many were used in early digital computers or radar.

Phasitron (in the 1950s, most of the FM broadcast transmitters in America used one.)

Zahl Tube (very important in early development of radar)

Trochotron (only mentioned in the Nixie tube article because I put it there long ago....)

Pixie tube (ditto)

Orbital-beam tube (mentioned in the Secondary Emission article, only because I put it there. Three of them were in the SCR-270 radar that gave early warning of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941. I would call that "historically significant".)

Radechon (used as memory in the Rice R1 computer of 1959)

Graphecon

Scan converters (a variety of designs)

Alphechon (one of the world's rarest collectible tubes--used as memory in RCA's Spectra 70 computer system display terminals, all of which were junked in 1970-72.)

Sheet-beam tube

Square-law tube (extremely rare item, used only in tube analog computers)

There's an article about Robert von Lieben, but it barely mentions the amplifying tube he invented, at about the same time as deForest.

I'll probably think of others later.

Plus there were two monostable-multivibrator circuits often seen in early computers, that were tube-only: the sanatron and the phantastron. This guy is using a phantastron circuit for musical sound effects.

This is a pathetic list. Lots of errors and thousands of omissions.

Gives the lie to the apologists who claim that the declining number of active wikipedia editors is because there are no more articles to be written.

[A Horse With No Name]

Peter Symonds - You would think some student at Peter Symonds College would have created at least a stub about the person the school is named after.

I'm sure User:PeterSymonds can handle that.

Provided that he doesn't allow someone to get a hold of his password and play around with the mop again. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

[Casliber]

Lots of special-purpose vacuum tubes were made, mostly between WWII and 1960.
Most of them aren't on Wikipedia, except (at most) as passing mentions in related articles.
All of these were historically significant, many were used in early digital computers or radar.

Phasitron (in the 1950s, most of the FM broadcast transmitters in America used one.)

Zahl Tube (very important in early development of radar)

Trochotron (only mentioned in the Nixie tube article because I put it there long ago....)

Pixie tube (ditto)

Orbital-beam tube (mentioned in the Secondary Emission article, only because I put it there. Three of them were in the SCR-270 radar that gave early warning of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941. I would call that "historically significant".)

Radechon (used as memory in the Rice R1 computer of 1959)

Graphecon

Scan converters (a variety of designs)

Alphechon (one of the world's rarest collectible tubes--used as memory in RCA's Spectra 70 computer system display terminals, all of which were junked in 1970-72.)

Sheet-beam tube

Square-law tube (extremely rare item, used only in tube analog computers)

There's an article about Robert von Lieben, but it barely mentions the amplifying tube he invented, at about the same time as deForest.

I'll probably think of others later.

Plus there were two monostable-multivibrator circuits often seen in early computers, that were tube-only: the sanatron and the phantastron. This guy is using a phantastron circuit for musical sound effects.

This is a pathetic list. Lots of errors and thousands of omissions.

Gives the lie to the apologists who claim that the declining number of active wikipedia editors is because there are no more articles to be written.

Absolutely, you don't have to go far before finding a swathe of redlinks to blue up.
Cas

[thekohser]

I'd like to add "Dilettante Chocolates" to the mix.

127,000 Google hits

63 news stories

And a fascinating corporate history dating back to 1898, including a royal appointment to the Imperial Court of Emperor Franz Josef I, Emperor of Austria, King of Hungary.

Also, as a Seattle-based company now, you'd think there would have been plenty of tech-savvy Seattle WikiNerds who'd have been eager to big up a local enterprise.

[Casliber]

I'd like to add "Dilettante Chocolates" to the mix.

127,000 Google hits

63 news stories

And a fascinating corporate history dating back to 1898, including a royal appointment to the Imperial Court of Emperor Franz Josef I, Emperor of Austria, King of Hungary.

Also, as a Seattle-based company now, you'd think there would have been plenty of tech-savvy Seattle WikiNerds who'd have been eager to big up a local enterprise.

Gosh, never heard of them, but I am in Oz...well, more to the DYK queue one day...

[Peter Damian]

I was really surprised to find hardly anything about the Gros Horloge in Rouen. It's a well known tourist attraction, and I have an old illustration of it inherited from my father, still hanging in the hall.

There is an article in the French Wikipedia

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gros_Horloge

but nothing in the English version. And reminds me of something important about encylopedias. They should aim to be about the stuff that is far away from us, in location, in time, in culture. Why? Because the stuff nearby is easy to find. We get a reference work for the stuff that is hard to find. But Wikipedia represents mostly North American teenage culture.

[CharlotteWebb]

Peter Symonds - You would think some student at Peter Symonds College would have created at least a stub about the person the school is named after.

I'm sure User:PeterSymonds can handle that.

Provided that he doesn't allow someone to get a hold of his password and play around with the mop again. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

Should I care whether the article is in fact ghost-written by Steve Crossin? Just get it done someway.

[Casliber]

I was really surprised to find hardly anything about the Gros Horloge in Rouen. It's a well known tourist attraction, and I have an old illustration of it inherited from my father, still hanging in the hall.

There is an article in the French Wikipedia

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gros_Horloge

but nothing in the English version. And reminds me of something important about encylopedias. They should aim to be about the stuff that is far away from us, in location, in time, in culture. Why? Because the stuff nearby is easy to find. We get a reference work for the stuff that is hard to find. But Wikipedia represents mostly North American teenage culture.

I loved Rouen - another article to-do. Thanks for the tip Peter (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)

[dogbiscuit]

There is an article in the French Wikipedia

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gros_Horloge

but nothing in the English version.

It is at times like this that Google Translate really impresses me.

[sbrown]

Gustave Goublier, composer. Classical music tends to do badly because its too highbrow except for really famous composers. See the famous row about female opera composers.

http://www.appl-lachaise.net/appl/article....?id_article=671

[EricBarbour]

Absolutely, you don't have to go far before finding a swathe of redlinks to blue up.
Cas

And with that, I am now certain that you are a fool. A Wiki-fool.

"Blueing up" those items will require a lot of very specialized arcane knowledge.
Which you, as a nerd hunched over a PC in Australia, will have some difficulty obtaining.

Would you like to try? I can offer suggestions.......

Are you a member of the Tube Collector's Association?
Because if you're looking for references for such articles, you will NEED to
be a TCA member, or have other access to their magazine--the only publication
in the world to run features about certain of those tubes, since the 1950s.
(No, it's not available online.)

Not to mention other resources dealing with radio and computer history,
such as the AWA Journal and old textbooks and trade magazines.

Ever been to the Computer History Museum?
Their collection would be essential for reference material about computing tubes.

Can't do it all with Google. Don't even dream about looking online.

Yeah, there are two old tech articles about the Alphechon available online from republishers.
They don't say anything about how the Alphechon was actually used. One of the
TCA members actually owns an Alphechon--probably the only one in existence today.

(Poking Cas is just too easy. I feel as if I'm committing unsportsmanlike behaviour.)

[Malleus]

And reminds me of something important about encylopedias. They should aim to be about the stuff that is far away from us, in location, in time, in culture. Why? Because the stuff nearby is easy to find. We get a reference work for the stuff that is hard to find. But Wikipedia represents mostly North American teenage culture.

Some of us are doing our best.

[Casliber]

Absolutely, you don't have to go far before finding a swathe of redlinks to blue up.
Cas

And with that, I am now certain that you are a fool. A Wiki-fool.

"Blueing up" those items will require a lot of very specialized arcane knowledge.
Which you, as a nerd hunched over a PC in Australia, will have some difficulty obtaining.

Would you like to try? I can offer suggestions.......

Are you a member of the Tube Collector's Association?
Because if you're looking for references for such articles, you will NEED to
be a TCA member, or have other access to their magazine--the only publication
in the world to run features about certain of those tubes, since the 1950s.
(No, it's not available online.)

Not to mention other resources dealing with radio and computer history,
such as the AWA Journal and old textbooks and trade magazines.

Ever been to the Computer History Museum?
Their collection would be essential for reference material about computing tubes.

Can't do it all with Google. Don't even dream about looking online.

Yeah, there are two old tech articles about the Alphechon available online from republishers.
They don't say anything about how the Alphechon was actually used. One of the
TCA members actually owns an Alphechon--probably the only one in existence today.

(Poking Cas is just too easy. I feel as if I'm committing unsportsmanlike behaviour.)

I absolutely agree - one doesn't have to go far before one finds a subject for which information freely accessible online can be described as meagre at best. Just about every Featured Article and Good Article I have written has required some thumbing through...real-live paper books!!! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wtf.gif)

PS: Being a Tube COllector reminds me of 'get your valves' in the movie Brazil for some reason...

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[sbrown]

Are you a member of the Tube Collector's Association?
Because if you're looking for references for such articles, you will NEED to
be a TCA member, or have other access to their magazine--the only publication
in the world to run features about certain of those tubes, since the 1950s.
(No, it's not available online.)

Not to mention other resources dealing with radio and computer history,
such as the AWA Journal and old textbooks and trade magazines.

Ever been to the Computer History Museum?
Their collection would be essential for reference material about computing tubes.

Can't do it all with Google. Don't even dream about looking online.

Yes but if its not online then by wikilogic it fails WP:V. No doubt there are others here who have given references to published books and told thats no good other editors cant find the book.

[thekohser]

I'm surprised nobody has written yet about Brandywine Springs. The place has a fascinating, multi-century story, tracing from Native American gatherings and legends; to General George Washington preparing promptly-abandoned defense works against the oncoming Howe/Cornwallis assault; to a fashionable spa and hotel (designed by U.S. Capitol Building architect T.U. Walker) located on the site from 1827-1853 and visited by such notables as Henry Clay; followed by a thriving early-20th century amusement park.

I'd like to write the article for a wiki, but I think this one's going to Wikipedia Review, not Wikipedia.

[JohnA]

My nomination: There's still no article on Linda Mack.

[sbrown]

Further to my post elsewhere there is nothing on the 19th/20th century theologian John Skinner

http://www.bluethread.com/reviews/authors.html

although there are three other John Skinners with articles.

[Casliber]

Some broad subjects where material is meagre - dog breeds (but I guess dog owners are out doing other things...like walking their dogs...rather than editing wikipedia).

Similarly, alot of gardening and horticulture material is boards and blogs.
Cas

[Malleus]

Some broad subjects where material is meagre - dog breeds (but I guess dog owners are out doing other things...like walking their dogs...rather than editing wikipedia).

Similarly, alot of gardening and horticulture material is boards and blogs.
Cas

The truth is that the overwhelming majority of wikipedia's articles are complete crap, but what is reprehensible is that the few thousand decent ones have to be continually guarded, else they'll descend to the level of the rest.

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[thekohser]

Some broad subjects where material is meagre - dog breeds (but I guess dog owners are out doing other things...like walking their dogs...rather than editing wikipedia).

Similarly, alot of gardening and horticulture material is boards and blogs.
Cas

The truth is that the overwhelming majority of wikipedia's articles are complete crap, but what is reprehensible is that the few thousand decent ones have to be continually guarded, else they'll descend to the level of the rest.

That's by design, you know. It keeps "the community" feeling important, needed, and addicted.

[thekohser]

Just a thread to add those subjects where you fully expect there would have been a Wikipedia article about it, but there isn't.

Bob Welch songs:

* Sentimental Lady

* Hypnotized (the one made famous by Fleetwood Mac) (not this garbage)

Let's see how this goes over.

[thekohser]

I'm surprised nobody has written yet about Brandywine Springs. The place has a fascinating, multi-century story, tracing from Native American gatherings and legends; to General George Washington preparing promptly-abandoned defense works against the oncoming Howe/Cornwallis assault; to a fashionable spa and hotel (designed by U.S. Capitol Building architect T.U. Walker) located on the site from 1827-1853 and visited by such notables as Henry Clay; followed by a thriving early-20th century amusement park.

I'd like to write the article for a wiki, but I think this one's going to Wikipedia Review, not Wikipedia.

Let the work begin! (I believe that Cla68 is even going to help me out on this article.)

[Peter Damian]

I have just found a magnificient one. Propositional function has nothing in Wikipedia.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sourc...&meta=&aq=f&oq=

There is a redirect to 'mathematical function', but that has nothing to speak of of the 'propositional' variety. So, here is a concept fundamental to the development of analytic philosophy and logic in the twentieth century, that every undergraduate philosophy and philosophy student will have to learn about, and Wikipedia has almost nothing about it, and no separate article at all.

Even better, I can now simply declare that the next Peter Damian sock is going to create a separate, well-sourced article on the propositional function (and perhaps email a few significant admins such as Mikaey of this intention). Result: the Wikipedia administration will be closely watching for the creation of such an article in order to block anyone who is trying to build a serious and comprehensive reference work by adding important new material.

The irony meter is now well into the red zone.

[Moulton]

Propositional function has nothing in Wikipedia.

The irony is that Wikipedia, itself, is a dysfunctional proposition.

The irony meter is now well into the red zone.

Ayup.

[Peter Damian]

Hawkesyard

After Gregory Kohs kindly proxied for a banned user by adding the article on Osmund Lewry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmund_Lewry, I did a little research on the unlinked place called 'Hawkesyard Priory' where Lewry taught in the 1960's and it turns out there is no article on Hawkesyard. There are plenty of articles where it could be linked from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...fulltext=Search and it is a beautiful place

http://www.nbsanity.me.uk/images/Calendar%...es/Image10.html
http://fiveprime.org/hivemind/Tags/hawkesyard

but there is nothing about the priory itself. Even the article on the village (Armitage, Rugeley County Staffordshire) where it is located does not mention it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armitage

There is an article about Armitage Park where it is located http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armitage_Park, but this does not mention its correct name: 'Hawkesyard Priory' http://two.archiseek.com/archives/1855. Nor is there an article about the building that formerly occupied the grounds, Hawkesyard Hall. There is no article about the architect, Edward Goldie, who was the son of George Goldie, although there is an article about his father http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Goldie_(architect) .

This problem is not isolated. The Wikipedia article on monastic houses in Staffordshire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monas...n_Staffordshire shows how many redlinks there are. People who say that Wikipedia is in its 'saturation phase' are only correct relative to the universe of possible articles about Britney Spears. Relative to the universe of old priories, medieval philosophers, English villages, and so on, Wikipedia is mostly empty.

[edit] There is an excellent list here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JohnArma...ork_in_progress

by John Armagh, who deserves a medal of some sort. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JohnArmagh Interesting that, unless he has hidden them, Armagh has no barnstar of any sort on his page.

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[Angela Kennedy]

Yes, and Guido is spinning it as a giant WP conspiracy, when it in fact it really must be spun as a Canada vs. (UK and US) conspiracy, since the UK and US definitions don't recognize "myalgic encephalomyelitis." Worse still the "consensus document" from Canada about ME is symptom-driven: objective tests are not needed criteria. This is despite what you'll read on ME websites which claim that there are objective tests for ME. Even Canada recognizes none. So much for THAT consensus.

I take it that you have not actually read the document. The Canadian consensus definition of ME/CFS (i.e. not of ME or CFS separately!) includes a protocol that describes what research needs to be done. The old Fukuda and Holmes definitions for CFS (we now have Reeves, that is 10 times as many patients) also explicitly state that patients need to be thoroughly medically examined. Obviously, no CFS definition recognizes ME, just like no definition of cancer or of a bicycle does. ME definitions recognize ME. There are UK (Ramsay) and Canadian (Hyde) definitions of ME.

As for the giant conspiracy which covers up something that the WHO believed in, in 1969, well, science moves on.

It certainly does. Wikipedia otoh only moves backwards.

We're still waiting for the mechanism of "chronic fatigue."

The mechanism of chronic fatigue is well known and has been for quite some time, in part thanks to ME researchers like Behan.

Sorry, missed all this before.

The interesting thing here is that the WHO DOES recognised Myaligic Encephalomyelitis as a neurological disorder (since 1969). The term DOES have a history of use (including it's dismissal by two psychs who never saw any of the patients of the Royal Free epidemic). It is a term over which there is controversy. Whatever Milton's view of the WHO's recognition (trivialising) or anybody's view of the illness, it SHOULD be notable enough for a separate page detailing the term.

What actually happened was that JFW, very soon after the debacle on the Simon Wessely page leading to me being defamed then 'excommunicated' by the God-King himself , nominated a perfectly good article that Guido had composed for deletion, and various others chimed in.

If the general public look up Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, then they should be able to see where the term came from, especially as there is some confusion as to 'CFS's relationship to 'ME' with regard to WHO.

I don't know who 'Tekaphor' is (he edits the CFS and Wessely pages), but one thing he said struck with me, basically along the lines of, as soon as people try to sort out problems on the CFS page, they get metaphorical eyerolling and some lame-arsed comments about "'well everything is physical anyway".

Again, I don't think WP has the infrastructure to deal with sublety and complexity- so I'd rather CFS was a short stub (and ME), and other subjects, because the damage to real-world people by ideologically driven edit-warring is absurd, yet serious.

[Guido den Broeder]

Yes, WP being what it is, there is no hope that it will ever be able to deal with users that purposely spread misinformation, so a short stub would be way better.

JFW is employed by the NHS in England and therefore attempts to push that horrible NICE guideline.

Needless to say, that this giant conflict of interest has not been declared by this user...

[thekohser]

Hawkesyard

After Gregory Kohs kindly proxied for a banned user by adding the article on Osmund Lewry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmund_Lewry, I did a little research on the unlinked place called 'Hawkesyard Priory' where Lewry taught in the 1960's and it turns out there is no article on Hawkesyard. There are plenty of articles where it could be linked from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...fulltext=Search and it is a beautiful place

Here's what I don't understand, Peter. At this point, you really ought to have given up trying to assist Wikipedia, and you ought to start assisting yourself. My suggestion:

(1) Get yourself a Google AdSense account.
(2) Create the world's most comprehensive collective directory of abbeys and priories on Wikipedia Review, similar to what you've done with the Logic Museum.
(3) License it as "all rights reserved", so that Wikipedia can't thieve your work.
(4) Sit back and collect the AdSense revenue, or be more proactive and contact the local tourism boards or chambers of commerce of the towns near these institutions and sell them customized advertising space.
(5) Every 12 or 18 months or so, you may be getting a $100 check from Google. Take your wife out to a nice dinner, and laugh about how silly Wikipedia was for forcing you to have taken your intellectual contributions to another venue.

You've already thoroughly proven your point (and may continue to do so) on Wikipedia subjects that are not so wide-open and ripe for advertising support. Travel, tourism, history, beautiful buildings on beautiful grounds. Don't let this one fall into your basket of "I'll show Wikipedia a thing or two".

[CharlotteWebb]

(4) Sit back and collect the AdSense revenue, or be more proactive and contact the local tourism boards or chambers of commerce of the towns near these institutions and sell them customized advertising space.
(5) Every 12 or 18 months or so, you may be getting a $100 check from Google. Take your wife out to a nice dinner, and laugh about how silly Wikipedia was for forcing you to have taken your intellectual contributions to another venue.

Not quite that simple. You'd also need to convince some person or thing to "visit" the ads.

I understand that's part of the problem over at ED. The site is plastered with adware which nobody would click on—not with a stolen mouse—so they still need to beg for donations.

[Lar]

(4) Sit back and collect the AdSense revenue, or be more proactive and contact the local tourism boards or chambers of commerce of the towns near these institutions and sell them customized advertising space.
(5) Every 12 or 18 months or so, you may be getting a $100 check from Google. Take your wife out to a nice dinner, and laugh about how silly Wikipedia was for forcing you to have taken your intellectual contributions to another venue.

Not quite that simple. You'd also need to convince some person or thing to "visit" the ads.

I understand that's part of the problem over at ED. The site is plastered with adware which nobody would click on—not with a stolen mouse—so they still need to beg for donations.

I think that's where the "contact the local tourism boards or chambers of commerce" (and sell them ads) bit fits in... some ads are a bit safer than others. I'm more likely to click an ad that says "learn more about Hawksbury Priory by visiting the Rugely County Stafforshire chamber of commerce site" (while on a page about Hawksbury Priory) than I am to click an ad that says "learn more about coprophagia by visiting the 2girls1cup site" (while on a page about something unrelated), frankly. And that's ED's money problem in a nutshell. What reputable site would want to advertise there?

[Angela Kennedy]

Yes, WP being what it is, there is no hope that it will ever be able to deal with users that purposely spread misinformation, so a short stub would be way better.

JFW is employed by the NHS in England and therefore attempts to push that horrible NICE guideline.

Needless to say, that this giant conflict of interest has not been declared by this user...

To be honest Guido, I don't think being an NHS employee per se will necessarily guarantee support of any NICE Guidelines.

However, JFW has a very obvious ideologically- driven POV at the very least on illnesses like 'CFS' or 'ME' (though there are others), on controversial doctors, on uppity patients and their advocates etc. If one looks through his comments on talk pages and his edits over the years (or even relatively recently) it can clearly be seen. I have no idea whether he is a meatpuppet for 'vested interests' or not. However I feel confident that it can be demonstrated that he has an extremely problematic ideological standpoint on at least some subjects, and commits blatantly partisan behaviour on Wikipedia, and he doesn't get called on it. The likes of you or I Guido however, openly and honestly expressive of our Conflicts of Interest, have been hounded and libelled.

What is of particular concern for me is the way JFW uses his doctor status (actually a junior doctor who has been also reprimanded by the GMC after a patient died) to claim expertise and authority on Wikipedia (though others do that for him also), in order to wage POV wars etc. I think people like JFW represent the problems around claimed 'expertise' on Wikipedia, how easily an assumed air of authority will bamboozle people, how claims to expertise get subjected to games of trumps etc in the power struggle to win 'the game' of truth-claiming, and how such complex issues can never be addressed successfully on Wikipedia. I'm very rarely a person who says 'never'- and yet I cannot see WP ever being able to resolve these issues.

[Peter Damian]

Here's what I don't understand, Peter. At this point, you really ought to have given up trying to assist Wikipedia, and you ought to start assisting yourself.

Yes yes, meanwhile can someone help me complete the article on columba ryan. The completed article is on my talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pre...omplete_article, I was blocked by Deskana just as I was finishing it. Thanks.

[edit] Oh I see someone has already done this. Thanks

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[Peter Damian]

Oh even better: Columnba Ryan is now up for deletion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columba_Ryan

because it was written by a 'banned user'. Patrick Ryan, son of Sir Andrew Ryan (himself an interesting character, British diplomat, spy, present at the early days of the House of Saud), brother of John Ryan whom everyone of my generation is familiar with from 'Captain Pugwash', and himself an influential teacher who was mentor to Geach and Anscombe, McDermott (translator of Aquinas). But not notable enough for Wikipedia and in any case the article was written by a 'banned user'.

How much more of a farce can this be?

[edit] Ironically, Triplestop is on some stupid 'article creation' project.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=314927344

Ah yes this explains it. 'Triplestop' has no brain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...top&namespace=0

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[Peter Damian]

19:40, 19 September 2009 Lar (talk | contribs) blocked The Cement of the Universe (talk | contribs) (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Abusing multiple accounts or IPs: Plus I think Peter wants this account blocked anyway)

Oy no Lar I didn't want it blocked. There were some things I wanted to finish. Do you support this project or not?

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[Lar]

19:40, 19 September 2009 Lar (talk | contribs) blocked The Cement of the Universe (talk | contribs) (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Abusing multiple accounts or IPs: Plus I think Peter wants this account blocked anyway)

Oy no Lar I didn't want it blocked. There were some things I wanted to finish. Do you support this project or not?

You have an unclear antecedent for "this project".

Seems a sound enough article though, at first glance. So I've taken responsibility for it to shield it from summary deletion as work of a banned user. Hope that's not what you wanted to have happen.

[Peter Damian]

unclear antecedent for "this project".

I understand. Yes, it is all being carefully documented

http://www.wikipediareview.com/Directory:The_Wik...#Other_accounts

And here you do show a particle of sense.

(cur) (prev) 19:50, 19 September 2009 Lar (talk | contribs) (3,106 bytes) (Null edit. At first glance this seems a reasonable article, sourced to reliable sources, about a person who's notable enough to get an obit in the London Times. Not a valid speedy) (undo)

Yes, the obit in the Times should have been a clue for 'TripleStop'. As also was the fact he taught some highly influential and important living philosophers. the problem is, Lar, that while you and I have our disagreements, you are like Thatcher one of the 'old guard' who have some judgment and are able to see when to follow the rules, and when to turn a blind eye for the good of the project (Wikipedia I mean).

This new lot are really just barbarians.


Thanks for saving the Ryan article anyway. You know I really care about that sort of thing.

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[Lar]

unclear antecedent for "this project".

I understand. Yes, it is all being carefully documented

http://www.wikipediareview.com/Directory:The_Wik...#Other_accounts

Oh. THAT project. I thought maybe you meant the work of countless doughty and dauntless Wikipedia volunteers there for a second. Silly me.

"Do you support this project or not?" - Obviously not.

And here you do show a particle of sense.

(cur) (prev) 19:50, 19 September 2009 Lar (talk | contribs) (3,106 bytes) (Null edit. At first glance this seems a reasonable article, sourced to reliable sources, about a person who's notable enough to get an obit in the London Times. Not a valid speedy) (undo)

Yes, the obit in the Times should have been a clue for 'TripleStop'. As also was the fact he taught some highly influential and important living philosophers.

Sorry about that.

[Peter Damian]

Oh. THAT project. I thought maybe you meant the work of countless doughty and dauntless Wikipedia volunteers there for a second. Silly me.

Who are these? Where are the articles? This thread is about all the articles that are missing in Wikipedia.

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[Lar]

Thanks for saving the Ryan article anyway. You know I really care about that sort of thing.

That's the part I don't get. If you've been as hard done by as you think, why give the (wikipedia) project your efforts? What satisfaction do you derive? I'd have found a new hobby by now, were I you.

A good part of what keeps me around is that it's fun to work on articles like this one: Rika's Landing Roadhouse or this one: Alaska Road Commission ... certainly not 'important' in the grand scheme of things but fun to write, and useful. I think they are anyway...

But if SV et al had succeeded in their smear campaign last year I would have downed tools and found a new hobby. Maybe I shouldn't admit that, but there it is.

Oh. THAT project. I thought maybe you meant the work of countless doughty and dauntless Wikipedia volunteers there for a second. Silly me.

Who are these? Where are the articles? This thread is about all the articles that are missing in Wikipedia.

The editors who have written the 3M plus articles that WP does have.

[Peter Damian]

Thanks for saving the Ryan article anyway. You know I really care about that sort of thing.

That's the part I don't get. If you've been as hard done by as you think, why give the (wikipedia) project your efforts? What satisfaction do you derive? I'd have found a new hobby by now, were I you.

I'm worried about pollution.

[Lar]

Thanks for saving the Ryan article anyway. You know I really care about that sort of thing.

That's the part I don't get. If you've been as hard done by as you think, why give the (wikipedia) project your efforts? What satisfaction do you derive? I'd have found a new hobby by now, were I you.

I'm worried about pollution.

Lost me there.

[Peter Damian]

I'm worried about pollution.

Lost me there.

Neurolinguistic programming, scientology, junk psychology/philosophy, 'pederasty', Objectivism.

The two articles you showed me were very nice and also important in that (like Columba Ryan) they take us away from the present and teach teenagers something about the past. Not remotely controversial. It's the pollution that is the problem.

I don't see why we seem to have ended up on different sides (if that is the case - perhaps not).

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[Lar]

I'm worried about pollution.

Lost me there.

Neurolinguistic programming, scientology, junk psychology/philosophy, 'pederasty', Objectivism.

The two articles you showed me were very nice and also important in that (like Columba Ryan) they take us away from the present and teach teenagers something about the past. Not remotely controversial. It's the pollution that is the problem.

I don't see why we seem to have ended up on different sides (if that is the case - perhaps not).

I expect our ends are more congruent than you might expect. Our means just differ.

[Peter Damian]

I expect our ends are more congruent than you might expect. Our means just differ.

Then why aren't you doing something about the likes of Triplestop? Here he is, replacing the tag on the article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=314965697

He had a change of heart later, but the very fact there are people like that running the project is very disturbing.

Policy should change so that article quality takes priority over everything else. These 'experiments' of mine prove beyond all doubt that this is not the case.

Actually to your credit I see you are. By why hasn't this person been blocked or banned? He or she is no use to the project.

Regarding this G5 tagging. It's already been explained to you that the article is ineligible for G5 tagging. Your removal was prudent, but your edit summary is fallacious. No further edits by me or anyone else are required to make it ineligible for G5, all that is required is that some other editor takes responsibility. Which I have done, see the note at the talk page. That tagging of yours was a disruptive edit, and you are strongly advised not to do it again. Also, next time you template a regular, please have the courtesy to sign your work instead of expecting someone else to clean up after you. ++Lar: t/c 05:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

This is the hard part of G5. PD knows this. So he's going to sock and/or proxy to get "good" articles into wikipedia in order to show us all how wrong we were about banning him for being disputatious and unpleasant. Burn. with. fire. Protonk (talk) 21:55, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree w/ NW. There is really no option here other than avoiding playing his games. Part of the reason he is banned is because he insisted on treating other people like this, placing them in seemingly implacable binds in order to fulfill his views about wikipedia. It's petty and fanatical and we are better off just going without it. If that means wikipedia has 1 less article on 13th century theologians so be it. Protonk (talk) 22:43, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Gasp.

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[thekohser]

Not quite that simple. You'd also need to convince some person or thing to "visit" the ads.

I understand that's part of the problem over at ED. The site is plastered with adware which nobody would click on—not with a stolen mouse—so they still need to beg for donations.

I will bet a dollar to a dime that Wikipedia Review is getting more fruitful AdSense returns per page view than ED.

[thekohser]

I'm surprised nobody has written yet about Brandywine Springs. The place has a fascinating, multi-century story, tracing from Native American gatherings and legends; to General George Washington preparing promptly-abandoned defense works against the oncoming Howe/Cornwallis assault; to a fashionable spa and hotel (designed by U.S. Capitol Building architect T.U. Walker) located on the site from 1827-1853 and visited by such notables as Henry Clay; followed by a thriving early-20th century amusement park.

I'd like to write the article for a wiki, but I think this one's going to Wikipedia Review, not Wikipedia.

Let the work begin! (I believe that Cla68 is even going to help me out on this article.)

And, once again, I'm able to prove a bit of a point. If people are tired of Wikipedia's constant battlefield and cleaning up after people who can't write, they might visit a site like Wikipedia Review and establish a content page that has the ability to outrank an identically-named page on Wikipedia.

Just Cla68 and I have worked on the Wikipedia Review page, while Wkharrisjr, Thomas.macmillan, SmackBot, Phantomsteve, Briantist, Mr. Matté, The Anomebot2, Ironholds, and I have worked on the similar Wikipedia page. Which one is better? Which one is worse? Which one represents the "wisdom of crowds"?

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[A Horse With No Name]

Just Cla68 and I have worked on the Wikipedia Review page, while Wkharrisjr, Thomas.macmillan, SmackBot, Phantomsteve, Briantist, Mr. Matté, The Anomebot2, Ironholds, and I have worked on the similar Wikipedia page. Which one is better? Which one is worse? Which one represents the "wisdom of crowds"?

One reason (among many) that I cannot take WP seriously is that 98% of the editors sound like characters on “Batman.” I mean, truly, how can one keep a straight face knowing that the likes of SmackBot, Phantomsteve, Mr. Matté, The Anomebot2 and Ironholds are running amok? Just from the sound of their monikers, are these guys out to improve the quality of online scholarship, or are they in cahoots with Catwoman to steal the jewelry collection from the Gotham Museum? Holy inane pseudonym! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif)

[Appleby]

Holy inane pseudonym!

Sorry, what were all your various pseudonyms again?

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[A Horse With No Name]

Holy inane pseudonym!

Sorry, what were all your various pseudonyms again?

You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? Then who the hell else are you talking...

Sorry, my DeNiro needs more work. I'll get back to you later on that. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

[thekohser]

Holy inane pseudonym!

Sorry, what were all your various pseudonyms again?

Perhaps the distinction to make is that Horsey doesn't expect (or even prefer) to be taken seriously, the way Wikipedia expects (or even demands) to be taken seriously.

[Appleby]

Perhaps the distinction to make is that Horsey doesn't expect (or even prefer) to be taken seriously, the way Wikipedia expects (or even demands) to be taken seriously.

We're not talking about his Horse persona here but his many WP ones where I assume (he'll correct me if I'm wrong) he did wish to be taken seriously.

[A Horse With No Name]

Perhaps the distinction to make is that Horsey doesn't expect (or even prefer) to be taken seriously, the way Wikipedia expects (or even demands) to be taken seriously.

We're not talking about his Horse persona here but his many WP ones where I assume (he'll correct me if I'm wrong) he did wish to be taken seriously.

If I had the proverbial three wishes, none of them would ever be squandered on the notion of being taken seriously. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[CharlotteWebb]

I will bet a dollar to a dime that Wikipedia Review is getting more fruitful AdSense returns per page view than ED.

I've always wondered, how does one go about getting humans to click on these?

[everyking]

It seems to me the purpose of bans is to prevent people to harming the encyclopedia. Since Peter is trying to help the encyclopedia by creating valuable new articles, and these other people are trying to keep him from doing so, wouldn't it make more sense to ban them instead? Anybody who thinks petty politics is more important than "one more article on a 13th century theologian" has lost the plot completely and has no place on the project.

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[Shalom]

It seems to me the purpose of bans is to prevent people to harming the encyclopedia. Since Peter is trying to help the encyclopedia by creating valuable new articles, and these other people are trying to keep him from doing so, wouldn't it make more sense to ban them instead? Anybody who thinks petty politics is more important than "one more article on a 13th century theologian" has lost the plot completely and has no place on the project.

Why don't you tell that to "Anonymous editor"? He thinks a bit of disruption overrides the value of 350+ articles and 10,000+ mainspace edits, and he says Wikipedia would be better off if I never discovered it and never edited it. Why don't you criticize him instead of criticizing me?

[Angela Kennedy]

It seems to me the purpose of bans is to prevent people to harming the encyclopedia.

I'm sorry but that's an untenable claim. Bans are given to people for all sorts of reasons - even ostensible 'prevent harm' reasons often have a hidden agenda, related to people for whom 'the project' is NOT their priority, but their own positions in the 'community' itself, their own POV warring etc.

I'm of the understanding that there are many people here on WR who were 'banned' when 'harming the project' was not their intent, and for which the 'banning' itself has served to bring Wikipedia into disrepute (that is, WP's reputation has been placed at risk by the banning of someone). I'm one of them, and I got banned by Jimbo himself, at the behest of Guy Chapman and some others. Logical assessment of the 'harm' to the 'project' was not part of their thought processes on that occasion, and that appears a common problem over there.

For every person who has been 'banned' unfairly, even among those of us who couldn't give a fig about being banned (like myself), the processes of Wikipedia come under scrutiny, and are found to be suspect by many: a common theme in Wikipedia Review discussions, for example.

[Appleby]

Anybody who thinks petty politics is more important than "one more article on a 13th century theologian" has lost the plot completely and has no place on the project.

It's not petty politics. It's ensuring thast there is a congenial environment for people to edit in. I don't think he should have been banned indef but I see the logic in having such bans sometimes.

[thekohser]

Anybody who thinks petty politics is more important than "one more article on a 13th century theologian" has lost the plot completely and has no place on the project.

It's not petty politics. It's ensuring thast there is a congenial environment for people to edit in. I don't think he should have been banned indef but I see the logic in having such bans sometimes.

Congenial environment -

(Real world) a place where my divergent but rational views will be cordially discussed and tolerated.

(Wikipedia world) a publishing venue where nobody will ever criticize my lying, my cheating, my hypocrisy, or my graft.

[everyking]

It's not petty politics. It's ensuring thast there is a congenial environment for people to edit in. I don't think he should have been banned indef but I see the logic in having such bans sometimes.

You can't be serious. He was banned because he got into an argument with a really powerful editor. If he had picked some powerless person like me to argue with, he'd never have gotten into any trouble.

[Milton Roe]

It's not petty politics. It's ensuring thast there is a congenial environment for people to edit in. I don't think he should have been banned indef but I see the logic in having such bans sometimes.

You can't be serious. He was banned because he got into an argument with a really powerful editor. If he had picked some powerless person like me to argue with, he'd never have gotten into any trouble.

And that's WHY we don't give you any power, Everyking. Bruhahahah.

[Guido den Broeder]

It seems to me the purpose of bans is to prevent people to harming the encyclopedia.

How naive. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

A typical purpose of bans is to protect the banning party's biased views. Once you understand that, you can learn how to read Wikipedia.

And that's WHY we don't give you any power, Everyking. Bruhahahah.

I'd give it to him. There'll be more banned users to fill our ranks, yeah! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

I'm of the understanding that there are many people here on WR who were 'banned' when 'harming the project' was not their intent ...

Indeed ...

It would seem many are banned for actually attempting to defend the Wikipedia from insidious elements that even the good end of the boy scout admins and arbitrators are just too engrossed or rudimentary to see.

[everyking]

It seems to me the purpose of bans is to prevent people to harming the encyclopedia.

How naive. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

A typical purpose of bans is to protect the banning party's biased views. Once you understand that, you can learn how to read Wikipedia.

There's supposed to be an implied theory/practice distinction in the quoted sentence.

[thekohser]

After Gregory Kohs kindly proxied for a banned user by adding the article on Osmund Lewry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmund_Lewry...

Well, it looks like another Wikipedia worker bee has chewed up the published content of another person, then regurgitated it and spit it back out as glorious, "original", freely-licensed content.

Compare, and watch how the credit to the Wikipedia Review source magically disappears. That's how the Hive works, folks!

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[Appleby]

After Gregory Kohs kindly proxied for a banned user

If an edit is good, is its source all that important? If it's bad it should be expunged; maybe some kind person will start an AfD.

[Peter Damian]

It's rather clumsy. The original said that simply Lewry studied under Lejewski and Prior at Manchester. The revised version presents the same facts in a horrid circumlocutory style - "Lewry's educational background included studies at the [[University of Manchester]], where he focused on mathematical logic ... [and] was instructed by Lejewski and Prior" which says the same thing in twice as many words.

If I used a sock and revised it, the PLEASE DO NOT RESTORE would apply. If I said I was a sock and gave my real identity, presumably that would be OK? But then I would be blocked.

[edit] Indeed, someone who claims to be me has done so (and cleaned up the mess that Ottava made of the second section). Is this person Peter Damian? If so the work must be removed as made by a banned user. If not, it must be removed because it violates copyright. Either way, it must be removed.

The idiotic Triplestop has now reported the edits as vandalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=316758920

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[Casliber]

I always found that odd that Americans have 'spit' as the simple past tense of 'spit', rather than the more vivid 'spat'..... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

[Peter Damian]

Well they have resolved the difficulty as follows. A vandal fighter has reverted the edits here

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=316758846

to 'enforce the policy on banning'. Thus the administration believes the editor's claim to be Peter Damian. However on the talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=316758846 a further request has been for 'proof of identity'. Thus the administration clearly does not believe the editor's claim. Tricky.

[edit] OK http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?title=Direc...771&oldid=91729 this now proves the author's identity. Do they then revert the edits that the Californian vandal-fighter and Pokemon fan has removed?

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[thekohser]

I'm surprised nobody has written yet about Brandywine Springs....

I'd like to write the article for a wiki, but I think this one's going to Wikipedia Review, not Wikipedia.

Just took a look at the traffic logs, and it looks like Wikipedia Review is handily beating Wikipedia on this one, at least for some specific (and actual) searches like this one.

[The Joy]

Nothing on e-Wolf and their planned electric supercar.

http://www.popsci.com/cars/article/2009-10...gen-ev-supercar

[thekohser]

No Wikipedia article about "Human economy", despite it being a fairly common term.

[Brutus]

I haven't yet seen an article about this

Vacuum cleaner collectors club.

For a start here's some reliable sources.
St Louis Beacon - Vacuum Cleaners Club
CBS News - Vacuum Cleaner Club
ABC - Australia - Vacuum cleaner club
Boy's Life - Boy Scouts of America Magazine, 1999, Pg 12 - Vacuum Cleaner Club - based on circulation, it has to be a notable publication
Modern Marvels TV Documentry - saw it there, forgot the episode.

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[Cla68]

There are still relatively minor but significant, contemporary historical events which have yet to receive articles in Wikipedia. I just started one yesterday. There are a series of connected events related to race relations in the US Navy which as of yet don't have articles, but which I will be starting over the next few weeks or so, including the USS Constellation insurrection and the resulting Hicks congressional hearings. I'm not sure why there hasn't been articles on these events until now.

[thekohser]

There are still relatively minor but significant, contemporary historical events which have yet to receive articles in Wikipedia. I just started one yesterday. There are a series of connected events related to race relations in the US Navy which as of yet don't have articles, but which I will be starting over the next few weeks or so, including the USS Constellation insurrection and the resulting Hicks congressional hearings. I'm not sure why there hasn't been articles on these events until now.

For those who tire of their work being sabotaged by drama, articles such as these could also be published on Wikipedia Review, with an advertisement providing lifetime residual income to the author.

Just a thought.

[wikieyeay]

There are lots of tourist attractions that attract large numbers of visitors, in the UK, that don't have Wikipedia pages.

Pretty much all of the children's farms, which are busy and successful attractions, are missing, such as Godstone Farm, centre of the E Coli outbreak. Actually this seems to be the way around the world. Outside of the major theme parks, Wikipedia has very weak information on synthetic tourist attractions generally.

[CharlotteWebb]

Somebody on TV just used the term "futurepop" and I wondered what the hell kind of music that would be.

Search engine results quickly revealed to me that fifteen (15) language-editions of Wikipedia have an article about this genre/sub-genre (see e.g. [[de:Futurepop]]), however English is not one of them.

In fact [[Futurepop]] is protected from existing on enwiki.

[A Horse With No Name]

There are still relatively minor but significant, contemporary historical events which have yet to receive articles in Wikipedia. I just started one yesterday. There are a series of connected events related to race relations in the US Navy which as of yet don't have articles, but which I will be starting over the next few weeks or so, including the USS Constellation insurrection and the resulting Hicks congressional hearings. I'm not sure why there hasn't been articles on these events until now.

Because:

(1) There are very few people with research and writing skills on Wikipedia who have the ability to create an article of significant value on a specialized subject that encompasses issues of military history and justice and race relations.

(2) Anyone who possesses research and writing skills to convey the complexity of the riot and the subsequent investigation into what took place would most likely write an article for a historical journal or a book on the topic -- and get a byline and a check for their efforts.

(3) Serious historical scholarship is not a collaborative effort. As an adult, do you really want to get into an edit war with some anonymous IP contributor and then have seek out a 15-year-old admin to solve the dispute?

[thekohser]

In fact [[Futurepop]] is protected from existing on enwiki.

Wow, that's a damn shame.

[thekohser]

Couple more articles absent from Wikipedia come to mind today in the kitchen:

• Apple corer
• Ice cream scoop

Get to work, drones!

[A Horse With No Name]

[*]Apple corer

Can it core a apple?
Yes, it can core a apple!

Probably one of the funniest moments in the history of US television:

[BelovedFox]

In fact [[Futurepop]] is protected from existing on enwiki.

Wow, that's a damn shame.

Too bad the wikipediareview article doesn't appear in the first results for either "futurepop" or "futurepop wiki" (beaten by the Simple English Wikipedia (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif))

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[thekohser]

In fact [[Futurepop]] is protected from existing on enwiki.

Wow, that's a damn shame.

Too bad the wikipediareview article doesn't appear in the first results for either "futurepop" or "futurepop wiki" (beaten by the Simple English Wikipedia (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif))

Yeah, Google can be frivolous sometimes. If you take a passage from that very article, a direct search for it on Google will not even return the Wikipedia Review article at all.

The source of that content was the German Wikipedia, then run through Google Translator to get it to English. I didn't do anything to try to optimize the page for search. It was just a lazy paste of content. But, I've notified the Google Web Search Help Center, so thanks.

BelovedFox, what website do you own and operate, again?

[MZMcBride]

Couple more articles absent from Wikipedia come to mind today in the kitchen:

• Apple corer
• Ice cream scoop

"Ice cream scoop" should be a redirect to Scoop (utensil). "Apple corer" could and probably should be a redirect to Apple core (or Kitchen gadget). unless there's some sordid history to the tool that would justify a separate article.

[thekohser]

Yeah, Google can be frivolous sometimes.

Meanwhile, observe how Wikipedia Review performs when looking up Holdfast Gaines on Google. There's no good explanation, but it pops higher than much more popular domains like OpenLibrary, Time.com, Genealogy.com, and Flickr.

Go figure.

[Jon Awbrey]

"Apple corer" could and probably should be a redirect to Apple core (or Kitchen gadget), unless there's some sordid history to the tool that would justify a separate article.

See Baltimore Controversy

Jon (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

[thekohser]

"Apple corer" could and probably should be a redirect to Apple core (or Kitchen gadget), unless there's some sordid history to the tool that would justify a separate article.

See Baltimore Controversy

Jon (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

Nevermore.

[John Limey]

Couple more articles absent from Wikipedia come to mind today in the kitchen:

• Apple corer
• Ice cream scoop

"Ice cream scoop" should be a redirect to Scoop (utensil). "Apple corer" could and probably should be a redirect to Apple core (or Kitchen gadget). unless there's some sordid history to the tool that would justify a separate article.

Strongly disagree. In my opinion, it's articles like these where Wikipedia can add value to society. Wikipedia will never in a million years write the world's best piece on World War Two or Aristotle or neorealism. These areas are the preserve of real scholars.

But where does Wikipedia's advantage lie? In writing about the ice cream scoop. Ice cream scoops are interesting, I would like to know more about them, but scholars (rightly) ignore them as subjects of rather trivial interest. This leaves an opening, a niche that needs to be filled, and it is into this area that Wikipedia should boldly go (along with others such as Simpsons trivia, etc.). Stop wasting time writing about philosophers when the IEP and SEP will always do it better, and start writing the articles that only Wikipedia can do well.

[The Joy]

Gottlob Espenlaub

*Gottlob Espenlaub (T-H-L-K-D) (nothing there!)

I still want my Gottlob Espenlaub. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sad.gif)

[Trick cyclist]

"Ice cream scoop" should be a redirect to Scoop (utensil). "Apple corer" could and probably should be a redirect to Apple core (or Kitchen gadget). unless there's some sordid history to the tool that would justify a separate article.

Done. I couldnt redirect "Apple corer" to "Kitchen gadget" because its a redlink in the latter article so it would be just a touch circular!

[Emperor]

Never let it be said that I'm a real scholar:

Ice cream scoop

Five minutes, off the top of my head, and Encyc already has more material about ice cream scoops than Wikipedia does.

It's amazing what can be done without deletionists standing in the way.

[thekohser]

Redirecting "Apple corer" to "Apple core" is like:

Redirecting "Drill bit" to "Wood", or

Redirecting "Stain removal" to "Stain", or

Redirecting "Abortion" to "Fetus".

Way to go, Wikipedia.

[The Joy]

Redirecting "Apple corer" to "Apple core" is like:

Redirecting "Drill bit" to "Wood", or

Redirecting "Stain removal" to "Stain", or

Redirecting "Abortion" to "Fetus".

Way to go, Wikipedia.

Please, Greg, don't underappreciate everyking's labors. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[EricBarbour]

And even funnier (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif) ..........

There's now a bio on Columba Ryan, which Peter D. tried to create.
And got blocked in the middle of doing.

Plus another one that Damian pointed out: Propositional function.
Created by Greg, evil banned one, and not deleted (yet). (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

And Peter Symonds was created....by PeterSymonds (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

Most of the subjects mentioned in this thread still have no WP articles.
And Triplestop is still running around loose, doing amazingly stupid things.

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[carbuncle]

Redirecting "Apple corer" to "Apple core" is like:

Redirecting "Drill bit" to "Wood", or

Redirecting "Stain removal" to "Stain", or

Redirecting "Abortion" to "Fetus".

Way to go, Wikipedia.

I'm sure if [[abortion]] were redirected to [[foetus]], an edit war would immediately break out to redirect it to [[unborn child]]...

[Milton Roe]

Redirecting "Apple corer" to "Apple core" is like:

Redirecting "Drill bit" to "Wood", or

Redirecting "Stain removal" to "Stain", or

Redirecting "Abortion" to "Fetus".

Way to go, Wikipedia.

I'm sure if [[abortion]] were redirected to [[foetus]], an edit war would immediately break out to redirect it to [[unborn child]]...

And if that failed, an even lamer one over [[fetus]] vs. [[foetus]]....

[NotARepublican55]

"Super wedgie" - a wedgie where you the person's underwear over their head.

Doesn't even redirect to wedgie.

To be fair, the article does have some nice pics, and it does have a "variations" section:

---
As a prank or form of bullying, there are a number of variants to the normal wedgie. It is wholly impractical to list every variant, as the names and processes are entirely subjective; however, there are a few better-known variants.

* The Melvin is a variant where the victim's underwear is pulled up from the front, to cause injury to the victim's genitals.[3] The female variant is sometimes called a Minerva.
* The atomic wedgie entails hoisting the waistband of the receiver's underwear up and over their head.[3][4]
* The hanging wedgie is a variant in which the victim is hung from his or her underwear, elevated above the ground.[5]
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[Emperor]

Which items have more sales, affect more lives, and have more cultural relevance?

1) Ice cream scoop (a kitchen utensil)
2) Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack (a DVD)
3) Invisiclues (A game accessory)
4) Dutch oven (practical joke)
5) HP-18C (A business calculator)
6) AA battery (a common type of battery)
7) Walter Sobchak (a movie character)
8) Tuxedo Mask (a character from the Sailor Moon series)
9) Pongidae (a family of animals)
10) Jiffy Lube (a chain of automotive service providers)

Can you predict which are in Wikipedia?

[MZMcBride]

Which items have more sales, affect more lives, and have more cultural relevance?

1) Ice cream scoop (a kitchen utensil)

Ice cream scoop is a redirect to the Scoop (utensil) article.

2) Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack (a DVD)

Easy enough: Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack.

3) Invisiclues (A game accessory)

No surprises here: Invisiclues.

4) Dutch oven (practical joke)

I wouldn't call the topic traditionally "encyclopedic," but: Dutch oven (practical joke).

5) HP-18C (A business calculator)

What's the purpose of this exercise again? HP-18C.

6) AA battery (a common type of battery)

I seem to remember some bitching about this particular topic on the Review at some point: AA battery.

7) Walter Sobchak (a movie character)

Walter Sobchak is a redirect to The Big Lebowski.

8) Tuxedo Mask (a character from the Sailor Moon series)

Wikipedia covers all things Sailor Moon. Don't even need to click this one: Tuxedo Mask.

9) Pongidae (a family of animals)

Pongidae is a redirect to Hominidae, which the target article indicates is a synonym. There's also an article at Ponginae.

10) Jiffy Lube (a chain of automotive service providers)

Jiffy Lube is a redirect to Pennzoil.

Can you predict which are in Wikipedia?

Yes, I can. I don't have the faintest idea what your point is, though.

[CharlotteWebb]

1) Ice cream scoop (a kitchen utensil)

Ice cream scoop is a redirect to the Scoop (utensil) article.

But not even a redirect for harmonica holder, a device supposedly invented by Les Paul.

[A Horse With No Name]

I'm sure if [[abortion]] were redirected to [[foetus]], an edit war would immediately break out to redirect it to [[unborn child]]...

Try a redirect to wire hanger and see what happens. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif)

[Emperor]

Can you predict which are in Wikipedia?

Yes, I can. I don't have the faintest idea what your point is, though.

The point was not to make someone go out and find all those links and then copy them back, though I appreciate the effort you just went to.

The decision whether to make an article stand-alone or a redirect is often made incorrectly on Wikipedia. For critical readers, this is one of the easiest areas in which to spot the biases of the Wikipedia community. For readers with all the same biases as the community, I guess all ten of those choices might seem perfectly natural.

[MZMcBride]

The point was not to make someone go out and find all those links and then copy them back, though I appreciate the effort you just went to.

No problem. The lengths I'll go to to avoid real work.... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

[radek]

Until recently, if one went by Wikipedia's coverage of the Mexican Revolution (for example) one would have gotten the impression that it consisted mostly of a few relatively bloodless naval engagements, United States occupation of Veracruz, and Pancho Villa's raid on Columbus (which had the same dramatic consequences for the outcome of the Mexican Revolution as Honduras joining the Allies had for WW I).

To be fair Zacarecas and Celaya were in there, and the naval enthusiast who wrote the Topolobampo articles did a good job with them.

But even very significant historical events can be skewed or portrayed in a ('n unintentionally) biased way on Wikipedia.

I can think of at least dozen more Mexican Revolution related articles that should be there but am too burned out on the topic atm.

[HRIP7]

Famous Artists, the Hollywood talent agency founded by Charles K. Feldman, has no article in Wikipedia.

Not even Feldman's biography mentions it.

[CharlotteWebb]

Back on topic here: I noticed flameless candles are a topic completely unknown to WP.

Understandable though, as playing with fire is most of the fun.

[Eva Destruction]

Back on topic here: I noticed flameless candles are a topic completely unknown to WP.

Understandable though, as playing with fire is most of the fun.

It does have Yablochkov candle, though, which looks kind of cool.

[Ottava]

Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard, by Thomas Gray.

I just discovered it was missing.

W. T. F.

That really pisses me off. If I would have known about the lack of Gray pages, I would have whipped together a large set on him in about a weeks time and posted it up.

[thekohser]

Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard, by Thomas Gray.

That's hardly notable.

You have to be more on the level of "Winds of Fury" notable!

[Ottava]

That's hardly notable.

You have to be more on the level of "Winds of Fury" notable!

Yeah, I'm sure some wiki person honestly thought that such would be true. Interesting:

It gets 62,600 vs 20,100 google books hits.

The other one gets 509,000 vs 391 google books hits.

By the way, I have at least 20 critical works that are highly reliable that discuss the poem. It would have been easy to build a page on the work.

Sigh.

I'll add that to my list of pages that needs to be worked on if I am ever brought back. That would put my last count to well over 500.

[CharlotteWebb]

You can add at least 95% of all Janis Ian releases to this list.

[The Joy]

Mod note: Fred Smoot affair topic posts moved here. Ottava's appeal to Arbcom moved here. -The Joy

[Silver seren]

Gottlob Espenlaub (T-H-L-K-D)

There you go. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

[thekohser]

Gottlob Espenlaub (T-H-L-K-D)

There you go. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

Hey, Silver...

How do you explain that Google thinks the Graffiti4hire company should have a Wikipedia article, but Wikipedia's User:Brandon does not?

[Silver seren]

I'm not in charge of what other users think or do. But i'll go talk with him about it, if you'd like. I do agree that that shouldn't have been deleted under G11, it wasn't an advertisement at all.

[thekohser]

I'm not in charge of what other users think or do. But i'll go talk with him about it, if you'd like. I do agree that that shouldn't have been deleted under G11, it wasn't an advertisement at all.

It's hard to tell if the game is over or not, but if this were a football score, I'd say Brandon currently leads 14 to 10.

I do have to admit, this has been far more engaging than I ever could have imagined.

[Silver seren]

Ugh...he's being a total jerk. G5 is one of the most worthless of the speedy deletion criteria.

Though I suppose I have to ask. Did you originally make that article, kohser? Since it was made by a blocked user and you brought it up, i'm assuming it was you.

[thekohser]

Ugh...he's being a total jerk. G5 is one of the most worthless of the speedy deletion criteria.

Though I suppose I have to ask. Did you originally make that article, kohser? Since it was made by a blocked user and you brought it up, i'm assuming it was you.

Brandon blocked the user months after the article had been created and was not causing anyone any anxiety. You might want to talk to Frank -- he told me he wouldn't be surprised if Brandon's block was wholly off target. You might also want to look at "Graffiti for hire", authored by the same blocked user, but now lovingly restored and expanded by none other than Blofeld.

Do you really think I run such an expansive paid-to-edit network?

Anyway, I'm not answering you directly because I don't do that any more, when it comes to paid editing. My e-book is going to be coming out soon, and the #1 word of advice I provide is "Never disclose. Never." Because no good can come of it, whether you were a paid editor or not, because if you weren't, you're just going to send the Wikipediot scurrying off for more evidence, and if they find the real paid editor, you've only made an enemy in the business, that you ratted out a fellow paid editor. (See Anvil Media and their article about Attensa, e.g.)

The only article I'm comfortable disclosing is Arch Coal, which I did write, but not for payment, even though Jimmy Wales & Co. thought that I did.

[Silver seren]

Oh, I didn't know that Graffiti4hire was made by a paid editor. I guess that explains the reasoning for deleting it under advertisement, though I still disagree with it. The article was pretty valid, though I am skeptical on whether the coverage in the references was really enough for it to survive an AfD.

Huh...did you ever see this, kohser?

[thekohser]

Oh, I didn't know that Graffiti4hire was made by a paid editor. I guess that explains the reasoning for deleting it under advertisement, though I still disagree with it. The article was pretty valid, though I am skeptical on whether the coverage in the references was really enough for it to survive an AfD.

Huh...did you ever see this, kohser?

I'm not sure there is incontrovertible evidence that Graffiti4hire was made by a paid editor.

I am well aware of anything Jimmy Wales has publicly said about me, ever, but thanks for checking to make sure.

[Silver seren]

I don't think there's very many clear instances of paid editing in general anyways, unless the user posted something on another website that confirms it. It happens rarely though, at least in terms of being confirmed.

[Infomercial]

Anyway, I'm not answering you directly because I don't do that any more, when it comes to paid editing. My e-book is going to be coming out soon, and the #1 word of advice I provide is "Never disclose. Never." Because no good can come of it, whether you were a paid editor or not, because if you weren't, you're just going to send the Wikipediot scurrying off for more evidence, and if they find the real paid editor, you've only made an enemy in the business, that you ratted out a fellow paid editor. (See Anvil Media and their article about Attensa, e.g.)

Wait, are you saying that if I'm accused of paid editing, I can't confirm or deny that I did it if I actually am associated with the business? Or are you saying that I just can't admit to editing a page for money in general? If it's the latter, why would I claim to corruptly edit a page that I didn't corruptly edit? Please clarify.

Also, happy Furry Friday, seren!
(I'll probably keep doing crap like this for the next few days, just to warn you)

[Silver seren]

Also, happy Furry Friday, seren!
(I'll probably keep doing crap like this for the next few days, just to warn you)

Would the proper response be for me to send you gay furry porn? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

[Infomercial]

Also, happy Furry Friday, seren!
(I'll probably keep doing crap like this for the next few days, just to warn you)

Would the proper response be for me to send you gay furry porn? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

In that case, never mind. Furry Friday is officially over.

[EricBarbour]

Would the proper response be for me to send you gay furry porn? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

(cough)VCL(cough)

If anyone ever wants to have some sick fun, tell Ottava about that.

[Silver seren]

I was thinking e621, actually.

[thekohser]

Wait, are you saying that if I'm accused of paid editing, I can't confirm or deny that I did it if I actually am associated with the business? Or are you saying that I just can't admit to editing a page for money in general? If it's the latter, why would I claim to corruptly edit a page that I didn't corruptly edit? Please clarify.

What part of "Never disclose. Never." are you having difficulty understanding?

[Infomercial]

Wait, are you saying that if I'm accused of paid editing, I can't confirm or deny that I did it if I actually am associated with the business? Or are you saying that I just can't admit to editing a page for money in general? If it's the latter, why would I claim to corruptly edit a page that I didn't corruptly edit? Please clarify.

What part of "Never disclose. Never." are you having difficulty understanding?

"Because no good can come of it, whether you were a paid editor or not,

What would there be to disclose if I wasn't a paid editor?

because if you weren't, you're just going to send the Wikipediot scurrying off for more evidence, and if they find the real paid editor, you've only made an enemy in the business, that you ratted out a fellow paid editor.

Does that mean I can't say I wasn't the paid editor? Because I don't see how someone could know a page was edited for pay if they weren't the editor. Is the paid editing group some kind of cult or something where everyone knows the activity or everyone else, or otherwise know a clean page from a corrupt one? I still don't see what we'd have to disclose.

[taiwopanfob]

What would there be to disclose if I wasn't a paid editor?

What would there be to disclose if you were not beating your wife?

[thekohser]

What would there be to disclose if I wasn't a paid editor?

What would there be to disclose if you were not beating your wife?

Thanks, Taiwan. That was getting a bit tedious.

[thekohser]

It's hard to tell if the game is over or not, but if this were a football score, I'd say Brandon currently leads 14 to 10.

Looks like you threw in the towel here, Silver. What happened? 20 to 10.

[Silver seren]

Well, I have one option left, if he refuses to discuss it, and that would be to recreate the article. Since it would have been recreated by a non-banned user, he wouldn't be able to do anything about it beyond send it to AfD. The thing is, i'm worried that, as it was before on the Google cache, that it isn't strong enough, reference-wise, to survive an AfD.

[thekohser]

Well, I have one option left, if he refuses to discuss it, and that would be to recreate the article. Since it would have been recreated by a non-banned user, he wouldn't be able to do anything about it beyond send it to AfD. The thing is, i'm worried that, as it was before on the Google cache, that it isn't strong enough, reference-wise, to survive an AfD.

Never hurts to try. The Article Rescue Squadron could probably dig up some more notable sources. Even as it stands, the company's work has been featured in multiple media sources, and one of its designs is even featured in Wikipedia itself. Doesn't that red link bother you?

[Silver seren]

There you go.

Graffiti4Hire (T-H-L-K-D)

[Infomercial]

What would there be to disclose if I wasn't a paid editor?

What would there be to disclose if you were not beating your wife?

OK, whatever.

[thekohser]

There you go.

Graffiti4Hire (T-H-L-K-D)

Man, you are going to get into so much trouble!

[Silver seren]

So you say. We'll see. It's still a valid article.

[thekohser]

So you say. We'll see. It's still a valid article.

Not that it bothers me, since I see this sort of thing very frequently on Wikipedia, but you didn't follow one lick of the "attribution" portion of the licensed content that you plagiarized from the original author. Unless, of course, you were in touch with her or him, and were granted a waiver of some sort.

[Silver seren]

Plagiarized? Is the info verbatim from some other website? I'll change it if it is.

[Alison]

Plagiarized? Is the info verbatim from some other website? I'll change it if it is.

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

Ow! My eyes hurt!

[Silver seren]

Since there is clearly mockery going on, should I just not respond to you guys? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)

[Alison]

Since there is clearly mockery going on, should I just not respond to you guys? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)

I'll spell it out. You created that article verbatim from the deleted copy of it. I took a peek. When you did that, you didn't attribute it to the original authors that you copied (effectively plagiarized) it from. These are covered under the CC-BY-SA which you apparently chose to ignore. Naughty you!

[Silver seren]

Ah, I see. But our edits on Wikipedia aren't considered our own property, are they? Thus, there is no attribution that is necessary for a previous version of that Wikipedia article that someone had made on Wikipedia.

[TungstenCarbide]

Ah, I see. But our edits on Wikipedia aren't considered our own property, are they? Thus, there is no attribution that is necessary for a previous version of that Wikipedia article that someone had made on Wikipedia.

You're a moron.

[thekohser]

Ah, I see. But our edits on Wikipedia aren't considered our own property, are they? Thus, there is no attribution that is necessary for a previous version of that Wikipedia article that someone had made on Wikipedia.

This attitude is exactly why I've tried (but largely failed) to clearly express over the years to people who don't realize it, how free licenses tend to erode the very foundation of scholarship and intellectual integrity. It's amazing to me that we've finally encountered someone who has so entirely abandoned the "attribution" portion of the various free licenses, that (I must assume) that he thinks "Wikipedia" is creating all of the content on Wikipedia.

Silver, will you please contact Sue Gardner at the Wikimedia Foundation, and ask her if you could make an appointment for a tutorial on licensing and copyright, with whomever they are now calling their replacement for the mysteriously-departed Mike Godwin? You are in dire need of some remedial education. Some of us are probably thinking your comment is so outlandish that it must be a spoof.

[anthony]

Ah, I see. But our edits on Wikipedia aren't considered our own property, are they? Thus, there is no attribution that is necessary for a previous version of that Wikipedia article that someone had made on Wikipedia.

You're a moron.

Although, under the new CC-BY-SA license, he might be right.

That said, it's still plagiarism, even if it isn't copyright infringement.

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[anthony]

Ah, I see. But our edits on Wikipedia aren't considered our own property, are they? Thus, there is no attribution that is necessary for a previous version of that Wikipedia article that someone had made on Wikipedia.

This attitude is exactly why I've tried (but largely failed) to clearly express over the years to people who don't realize it, how free licenses tend to erode the very foundation of scholarship and intellectual integrity.

What, you mean when you were in school they didn't teach you to just start writing, then keep adding stuff a few sentences at a time, and then add "sources", which don't match your actual sources, after you're done?

[thekohser]

Although, under the new CC-BY-SA license, he might be right.

The CC-by-SA that Wikipedia uses states:

You are free:

* to Share—to copy, distribute and transmit the work, and
* to Remix—to adapt the work

Under the following conditions:

* Attribution—You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work.)

Since Brandon indefinitely blocked the author, she or he didn't have much of a chance to specify the manner of attribution desired.

Actually, this brings up a great point, Anthony... are Wikipedia editors supposed to somewhere specify the manner of attribution that they desire, or is it implied somewhere else in the WikiWacky Free Culture pantheon of lengthy documentation?

Edit: According to the fine print (Section 4c.), it seems the author is already protected by the basic instruction of the license --

If You Distribute, or Publicly Perform the Work or any Adaptations or Collections, You must, unless a request has been made pursuant to Section 4(a), keep intact all copyright notices for the Work and provide, reasonable to the medium or means You are utilizing: (i) the name of the Original Author (or pseudonym, if applicable) if supplied...

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[anthony]

Although, under the new CC-BY-SA license, he might be right.

The CC-by-SA that Wikipedia uses states:

You are free:

* to Share—to copy, distribute and transmit the work, and
* to Remix—to adapt the work

Under the following conditions:

* Attribution—You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work.)

Since Brandon indefinitely blocked the author, she or he didn't have much of a chance to specify the manner of attribution desired.

Actually, this brings up a great point, Anthony... are Wikipedia editors supposed to somewhere specify the manner of attribution that they desire, or is it implied somewhere else in the WikiWacky Free Culture pantheon of lengthy documentation?

At the bottom of every page it says "Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License; additional terms may apply. See Terms of Use for details." Clicking on Terms of Use, you get:

Attribution: To re-distribute a text page in any form, provide credit to the authors either by including a) a hyperlink (where possible) or URL to the page or pages you are re-using, b) a hyperlink (where possible) or URL to an alternative, stable online copy which is freely accessible, which conforms with the license, and which provides credit to the authors in a manner equivalent to the credit given on this website, or c) a list of all authors. (Any list of authors may be filtered to exclude very small or irrelevant contributions.) This applies to text developed by the Wikimedia community. Text from external sources may attach additional attribution requirements to the work, which we will strive to indicate clearly to you. For example, a page may have a banner or other notation indicating that some or all of its content was originally published somewhere else. Where such notations are visible in the page itself, they should generally be preserved by re-users.

Whether or not the new article satisfies a) is arguable. But it easily *could* satisfy a) without giving any actual attribution.

Lesson to be learned: if you care about your copyright, don't contribute to Wikipedia. Contribute to Wikipedia Review, in the Directory space, once the owner of Wikipedia Review fixes the damn site. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

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[Silver seren]

Now I understand what you guys are talking about. But...I don't think that applies to information added or changed or even copied verbatim from a Wikipedia page to another internal Wikipedia page. Or, at least, it is not specified and i've never heard about having to give attribution internally. The Terms of Use are discussing the use of Wikipedia information and pages taken outside of the site itself.

Ah, ah, found it!

"Where such credit is commonly given through page histories (such as Wikimedia-internal copying), it is sufficient to give attribution in the edit summary, which is recorded in the page history, when importing the text."

Thus, I didn't necessarily have to attribute in any manner other than in the edit summary, which I should have done, yes. However, I don't know who the author is, so...not sure how that would work.

Edit: I suppose I could make a note on the talk page. That should be enough, right?

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[thekohser]

However, I don't know who the author is, so...not sure how that would work.

Edit: I suppose I could make a note on the talk page. That should be enough, right?

You know who deleted the article, right? You could have asked him. But, then again, you could probably figure it out from his activity log. I mean, when he blocks a user within a minute of nuking the article, you can pretty much assume that they are connected by authorship.

I suppose a note on the Talk page would be more meaningful than nothing at all.

Does it give you great concern that when a Wikipedia administrator deletes CC-by-SA content by removing an entire article, he or she makes it very difficult to properly attribute that content, should it be used or restored somewhere else? That bothers me. But, then again, I had one admin use the deletion tools to deliberately plagiarize content and hide the true provenance of the text, so that he could pretend it was his own, and even boast about it. It took Jimmy Wales about 15 months to finally admit that his admin had sullied the licensing terms on that content.

Silver, I think some of us have come to terms that the GFDL and the CC-by-SA attribution terms are often neglected. But you seemed ignorant that they even existed, which was a bit of a shock, even for some of us jaded old fellows.

[Silver seren]

The page history, as far as i'm away, can always be re-added back in later at any point in time by an admin. I've seen it done before. Not entirely sure how it works, however.

I never bothered to care all that much about the licensing. I just learned how references were supposed to be used, how to avoid copyright issues and close paraphrasing, and then I made my own content. This is the first time i've re-created an article from prior text, so i've never had to deal with it before.

[Somey]

Silver, I think some of us have come to terms that the GFDL and the CC-by-SA attribution terms are often neglected. But you seemed ignorant that they even existed, which was a bit of a shock, even for some of us jaded old fellows.

Is this fixable? All they'd have to do is modify the edit summary, and I vaguely recall that they can do that now...

I'm going to take a wild guess here and say this may be the first time Mr. Seren has ever gotten involved in a situation like this, in which case I think you have to repair the damage and say it's a "learning experience." I don't detect any malice here, and seeing as how he admits it was a mistake, he'll probably be a lot more cognizant of this in future than someone who does this occasionally but doesn't get noticed until after he's done it a few dozen times.

(Edit: Oops, Mr. Seren has already answered my question(s), hasn't he? Never mind.)

[Silver seren]

...as far as I know, you cannot change edit summaries after they have been submitted. If you can, I have no idea how to do it. Admins can change them, I know, but not sure about regular users.

And I added attribution and background info on the talk page, Talk:Graffiti4Hire (T-H-L-K-D), so that should probably be good enough, since it is a part of that page's history, even if it is the Talk page.

[Somey]

And I added attribution and background info on the talk page, Talk:Graffiti4Hire (T-H-L-K-D), so that should probably be good enough, since it is a part of that page's history, even if it is the Talk page.

Interesting side-question - whether or not it's "good enough" probably depends on who wrote the original text, and how easily that person takes offense at such things. In any event, it would definitely be better if some helpful admin would add the attribution to the original edit summary anyway, just to cover the bases, so to speak. There are probably at least a dozen admins who would be willing to do it, even if it were known that Mr. Kohs wrote the original article text (which I seriously doubt, in this case - in fact, I'd say the chances of him being the author of this particular article/stub are very close to zero).

[thekohser]

And I added attribution and background info on the talk page, Talk:Graffiti4Hire (T-H-L-K-D), so that should probably be good enough, since it is a part of that page's history, even if it is the Talk page.

Note on re-creation

The prior version of this article, authored by banned user Art begets life, was deleted due to him being banned and having created this content (though it was labeled as being deleted under G11 for advertising, rather than G5). I was shown the Google cache version of the article and decided that the content really wasn't an advertisement at all and seemed, at least, partially notable. Thus, I recreated it with most of the old content, making some wording and format changes, but keeping it mostly unchanged. Thus, do note that the majority of this article is attributable under the licensing to Art begets life, not to myself. I just wanted to clear that up, considering the page history for prior content addition is no longer available from the deleted version. SilverserenC 20:15, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Art begets life doesn't appear to have been "banned", rather "indefinitely blocked". But, now I'm just being a pain in the ass.

I think what you did here with this article, Silver, was highly entertaining; and it was apparently a learning lesson for you, too. I'm honestly surprised that you haven't been blocked by Brandon, FT2, or Fred Bauder (who were all swarming on that article, for whatever reason), let alone even admonished a tiny bit.

[Silver seren]

I think what you did here with this article, Silver, was highly entertaining; and it was apparently a learning lesson for you, too. I'm honestly surprised that you haven't been blocked by Brandon, FT2, or Fred Bauder (who were all swarming on that article, for whatever reason), let alone even admonished a tiny bit.

It's because i'm awesome. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[Silver seren]

It's up for deletion now. Not sure if it will survive, like I told you before. Needs more news bits.

[melloden]

Now I understand what you guys are talking about. But...I don't think that applies to information added or changed or even copied verbatim from a Wikipedia page to another internal Wikipedia page. Or, at least, it is not specified and i've never heard about having to give attribution internally. The Terms of Use are discussing the use of Wikipedia information and pages taken outside of the site itself.

Ah, ah, found it!

"Where such credit is commonly given through page histories (such as Wikimedia-internal copying), it is sufficient to give attribution in the edit summary, which is recorded in the page history, when importing the text."

Thus, I didn't necessarily have to attribute in any manner other than in the edit summary, which I should have done, yes. However, I don't know who the author is, so...not sure how that would work.

Edit: I suppose I could make a note on the talk page. That should be enough, right?

How the hell did you become an admin? Attribution and a basic understanding of Wikipedia's copyright license should be required. I'm only hoping now that you don't license your images solely under the GFDL because it has the shittiest terms of use.

[thekohser]

Contribute to Wikipedia Review, in the Directory space, once the owner of Wikipedia Review fixes the damn site. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

The site is back up now. For how long, I can't say for sure.

[thekohser]

It's up for deletion now. Not sure if it will survive, like I told you before. Needs more news bits.

According to "ThemFromSpace":

This is a recreation of a page originally created by a banned editor (thekohser) as part of a paid editing bid. The company is nonnotable as it hasn't received significant coverage in reliable sources. I can't find any more coverage than the primary sources, press releases, and passing mentions used to source the article currently. Also I would argue WP:DENY should apply here due to this editor's past history with the site. ThemFromSpace 21:07, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

How did he come to that conclusion, when Somey said almost the exact opposite?

Anyway... popcorn brigade -- ATTENTION!

Your !vote for Keep is a vote to make Brandon, FT2's, Fred Bauder's, TenPoundHammer's, and ThemFromSpace's ("Say No to Flagged Revisions") heads spin and steam blast out of their ears.

Contrary to Wikipediot opinion, my wallet's fatness has nothing to do with the outcome of this AfD.

Vote accordingly.

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[Silver seren]

How the hell did you become an admin? Attribution and a basic understanding of Wikipedia's copyright license should be required. I'm only hoping now that you don't license your images solely under the GFDL because it has the shittiest terms of use.

Why does everyone think i'm an admin? I'm not. Geez. And i've only ever uploaded two images to Wikipedia, one of them was in the public domain and the other clearly explains its status and its use.

[thekohser]

Anyway... popcorn brigade -- ATTENTION!

Your !vote for Keep is a vote to make Brandon, FT2's, Fred Bauder's, TenPoundHammer's, and ThemFromSpace's ("Say No to Flagged Revisions") heads spin and steam blast out of their ears.

Contrary to Wikipediot opinion, my wallet's fatness has nothing to do with the outcome of this AfD.

Vote accordingly.

And there's an anti-England vote from the all-Irish admin Alison. Clearly biased, retaliatory anti-British POV.

[Silver seren]

*smacks Kohser with a newspaper* No, bad. No stacking votes.

[Zoloft]

These folks are borderline. One mention in an RS (Mirror)? A puff piece in a home decorating mag?

...aaand a bunch of websites and Youtube links.

[A User]

A graffiti hire company paying someone to write up an article about them. Does anyone see the irony? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

[Milton Roe]

A graffiti hire company paying someone to write up an article about them. Does anyone see the irony? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

Yo! Put it up! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

[thekohser]

I can't believe how utterly inert the Wikipedia Review community is being in this Graffiti4Hire AfD vote. We've had one regular chime in (hi, Alison), and she voted wrong.

That's not how you make steam come out of Wikipedians' ears -- especially the ones with "Say No to Flagged Revisions" banners on their User pages.

Do we even have a voting bloc here, or not?

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/popcorn.gif)

[Tarc]

I can't believe how utterly inert the Wikipedia Review community is being in this Graffiti4Hire AfD vote. We've had one regular chime in (hi, Alison), and she voted wrong.

That's not how you make steam come out of Wikipedians' ears -- especially the ones with "Say No to Flagged Revisions" banners on their User pages.

Do we even have a voting bloc here, or not?

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/popcorn.gif)

The problem is, the subject matter really is kinda trivial. Amusing that this thread may spur creation of even more barely/non-notable junk, though.

Don't miss out on the "Wikipedia Review have been known to attack legendary editors such as ANobody and Benji" quote. Lulz.

[thekohser]

I can't believe how utterly inert the Wikipedia Review community is being in this Graffiti4Hire AfD vote. We've had one regular chime in (hi, Alison), and she voted wrong.

That's not how you make steam come out of Wikipedians' ears -- especially the ones with "Say No to Flagged Revisions" banners on their User pages.

Do we even have a voting bloc here, or not?

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/popcorn.gif)

The problem is, the subject matter really is kinda trivial. Amusing that this thread may spur creation of even more barely/non-notable junk, though.

Don't miss out on the "Wikipedia Review have been known to attack legendary editors such as ANobody and Benji" quote. Lulz.

That's what I'm talking about, Tarc. We're really doing lulz a disservice by not rallying to the support of this article in AfD. Trust me, if it gets the "Keep" outcome, heads will literally be spinning over there.

With complete honesty, my monetary status will be impacted 0% by the outcome of this AfD. I'm in it for the lulz.

[thekohser]

If Silver seren thinks it would be "funny" to just keep creating articles that Wikipedia should have, but doesn't, there are plenty.

In the Fortune 1000, for example:

• Cimarex Energy
• LKQ Corp.
• Complete Production Services
• Sun Healthcare Group

He might also wish to fix the almost-certain copyright violations of this editor's work on Brookdale Senior Living.

Get to it, Article Creation Squadron! And remember, no pay for editing! Your "get backs" at Wikipedia Review are payment enough.

[Silver seren]

The problem is, the subject matter really is kinda trivial. Amusing that this thread may spur creation of even more barely/non-notable junk, though.

Don't miss out on the "Wikipedia Review have been known to attack legendary editors such as ANobody and Benji" quote. Lulz.

If you think Gottlob Espenlaub (T-H-L-K-D) and Charles Coolidge Parlin (T-H-L-K-D) are barely/non-notable, go ahead and nominate them for deletion. It would be amusing to see other users calling you an idiot.

[thekohser]

He might also wish to fix the almost-certain copyright violations of this editor's work on Brookdale Senior Living.

Eh, maybe no fix is required. This seems just about perfect for Wikipedia:

By early 2005 the company had grown to approximately 90 stand alone properties. During this times Fortress Investments had acquired the recently bankrupt Alterra Corporation (formerly Alternative Living Services) A Milwaukee WI based company who had developed and opened more than 500 stand alone Assisted Living and Memory Care properties throughout the USA between 1993 and 2003. At one Point Alterra was the largest provider of Assisted Living and Memory Care services within the United States catapulting ahead of the Industry Benchmark for Senior Living "Sunrise Senior Living of Virginia". Rapid growth proved costly and detrimental to the Alterra Corporation and that organization filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in 2004. They managed to sell off a third of their assets and bring their facility total down to approximately 300. During the bankruptcy Fortress purchased Alterra and pondered whether to sell the company to Emeritus Senior Living, which was hired on to manage Alterra through the bankruptcy phase. By the time the management agreement with Emeritus was about to expire the remaining Alterra portfolio was thriving due to an aggressive push by corporate and divisional leaders to prove the company was not "dead" and was a valuable asset. Fortress at the 11th hour put together a merger that would bring their Successful Brookdale Portfolio together with their now rising Alterra Portfolio. This was approved and completed in early 2005 bringing the Brookdale property total to 390. From late 2005 to early 2007 Fortress and Brookdale took advantage of a strong market and an abundance in company cash reserves to acquire several smaller senior living organizations within the United States. These Included the April 2006 acquisition of Southern Assisted Living a Chapel Hill, North Carolina Based privately held company who managed approximately 45 properties in the Carolinas, predominantly North Carolina. Simultaneously the acquisitions of several smaller companies including Liberty Senior Services, Wellington Senior Living, and Southland properties brought Brookdale into the second spot on the leading providers list for Senior Care in the US right behind Sunrise.

[melloden]

How the hell did you become an admin? Attribution and a basic understanding of Wikipedia's copyright license should be required. I'm only hoping now that you don't license your images solely under the GFDL because it has the shittiest terms of use.

Why does everyone think i'm an admin? I'm not. Geez. And i've only ever uploaded two images to Wikipedia, one of them was in the public domain and the other clearly explains its status and its use.

Oh that's right, you failed your RfA. (With only 75 successful ones in 2010, I'm not surprised.)

Brush up on the whole copyright thing before trying again, k? Or just sit here writing more articles for Greg.

[thekohser]

Or just sit here writing more articles for Greg.

They're not for me, they're for Wikipedia.

[thekohser]

Wow, nearly 18 hours have passed, and despite my alert, Wikipedia still thinks Brookdale Senior Living, with one reference citation that points merely to a financial summary page, is fully acceptable.

Fortress saw this as an opportunity to put Brookdale at the forefront of Senior Living not just by sheer size but with the marrying of two of the longest-running and most successful companies in the industry. When the dust settled on the ARC merger Brookdale was operating approximately 550 communities in 36 states.

That Wikipedia IP editor should be given a barnstar, for writing with such captivating prose, without the aid of even a single outside reference!

[Tarc]

The problem is, the subject matter really is kinda trivial. Amusing that this thread may spur creation of even more barely/non-notable junk, though.

Don't miss out on the "Wikipedia Review have been known to attack legendary editors such as ANobody and Benji" quote. Lulz.

If you think Gottlob Espenlaub (T-H-L-K-D) and Charles Coolidge Parlin (T-H-L-K-D) are barely/non-notable, go ahead and nominate them for deletion. It would be amusing to see other users calling you an idiot.

Your fallacious logic is charming, furry.

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[thekohser]

I'd like to nominate the stars of the hit television show, Project UFO, to the list of articles that you'd think would be in Wikipedia:

* William Jordan
* Caskey Swaim

With a name like Caskey Swaim, you know he's notable.

I happen to like this bit of original research in the TV show's article:

In an odd reversal of the Scooby-Doo dynamic, the series eventually settled into a pattern in which the investigators would spend most of the hour uncovering some conventional explanation for a UFO sighting, only for the last five minutes to reveal that UFOs (or some similarly unexplained phenomena) were involved after all.

If someone can provide me a reliable, published source that linked Project UFO to a "Scooby Doo dynamic", I'll donate $10 to the Wikimedia Foundation (or another "charity" of the finder's choosing).

[thekohser]

These folks are borderline. One mention in an RS (Mirror)? A puff piece in a home decorating mag?

...aaand a bunch of websites and Youtube links.

It appears that two more distinct news stories about Graffiti4Hire's community work have appeared in the Birmingham Mail, and on a police website, with the constable commenting favorably about how the company's work has improved the neighborhood.

But, I'm starting to think "delete", because this UK business clearly doesn't rise to Wikipedia's high standards for North American enterprises, as exemplified by Sanafir Restaurant and Liquid V, nor for other UK corporations, such as Q-par Angus and Sheffield One.

These are all excellent Wikipedia articles, constantly being improved and tended to, with more and more sources being added all the time. By the way, according to Wikipedia, Sanafir Restaurant's cocktail list is undergoing re-writing, and it's located at 1026 Granville Street.

[Tarc]

A corollary to this thread could be "Wikipedia articles you hope not to find, but do". Scan the headlines today for some dimwitted, humorous, news-of-the-weird story, and it's even money on whether or not some schlep has already vomited a few paragraphs of prose onto the Wikipedia about it.

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[Milton Roe]

A corollary to this thread could be "Wikipedia articles you hope not to find, but do". Scan the headlines today for some dimwitted, humorous, news-of-the-weird story, and it's even money on whether or not some schlep has already vomited a few paragraphs of prose onto the Wikipedia about it.

And yet, Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS. A paradox. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/huh.gif)

[Tarc]

A corollary to this thread could be "Wikipedia articles you hope not to find, but do". Scan the headlines today for some dimwitted, humorous, news-of-the-weird story, and it's even money on whether or not some schlep has already vomited a few paragraphs of prose onto the Wikipedia about it.

And yet, Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS. A paradox. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/huh.gif)

"Not News" is ignored if the rabble can gather enough of the "keep, reliably sourced!" crowd to vote en masse. e.g. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ted Williams (announcer) (T-H-L-K-D)

[thekohser]

And there's an anti-England vote from the all-Irish admin Alison. Clearly biased, retaliatory anti-British POV.

She came around to the light side of the Force. Erin go Bragh!

[thekohser]

Why is there no Wikipedia article about Tor Borg, the Finnish businessman whose dog could salute like Hitler? Apparently the Nazis spent quite a great deal of time and effort treating Borg like a banned Wikipedia editor.

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[Milton Roe]

Why is there no Wikipedia article about Tor Borg, the Finnish businessman whose dog could salute like Hitler? Apparently the Nazis spent quite a great deal of time and effort treating Borg like a banned Wikipedia editor.

Ah yes. Salutus of Borg. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[Silver seren]

Caskey Swaim (T-H-L-K-D)

William Jordan (actor) (T-H-L-K-D)

There you go, Kohser. Swaim was fun to write.

[Peter Damian]

Caskey Swaim (T-H-L-K-D)

William Jordan (actor) (T-H-L-K-D)

There you go, Kohser. Swaim was fun to write.

"During his career, he rented a upscale apartment in Hollywood, while owning a large home in Arrowhead, California."

Really? How interesting. Much better than Britannica.

[Silver seren]

I'm sorry, it's difficult finding the right sources for someone with such a common name as William Jordan. It doesn't help that there are three other actors with the same name, two of which acted during the same time period and one of which killed his wife, so there's a ton of sources on that. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)

[Peter Damian]

It's just that this is practically the only thing you have said about him. The other things were his date of birth (I have one of those, so do you) and a film he was in (OK I've never starred in a film).

[Silver seren]

I'm still looking for sources. If you find any, let me know. There's a lot to sort through.

[thekohser]

What about Marshall Blonsky? Or, is there some prohibition on an article about him, due to his relationship with semiotics, with which banned user Jon Awbrey has a knowledge?

Oh, heck... only 2,970 mentions in Google Books... he is clearly non-notable.

[Silver seren]

You don't have to be sarcastic, Kohser, you could just ask.

[thekohser]

You don't have to be sarcastic, Kohser, you could just ask.

Doesn't the sarcasm bump up the sense of urgency to prove me wrong?

[Silver seren]

Maybe, maybe not.

Though college starts up again next week, so i'm not going to be on as often, in terms of being able to make content.

[SB_Johnny]

Maybe, maybe not.

Though college starts up again next week, so i'm not going to be on as often, in terms of being able to make content.

Could you make a run for coffee too? And beer while you're at it? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

[Silver seren]

Coffee, yes, but i'm not old enough for alcohol, buying or consuming.

[Alison]

Coffee, yes, but i'm not old enough for alcohol, buying or consuming.

Why am I not surprised (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif)

[Silver seren]

Do you have something against people between the ages of 18 and 21, Alison? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

[Alison]

Do you have something against people between the ages of 18 and 21, Alison? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

No. Just you (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

Seriously, though. You're displaying an epic level of immaturity here & you're being laughed at and manipulated ... yet you really don't seem to care. What's with that?

[Zoloft]

Do you have something against people between the ages of 18 and 21, Alison? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

No. Just you (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

Seriously, though. You're displaying an epic level of immaturity here & you're being laughed at and manipulated ... yet you really don't seem to care. What's with that?

Perhaps Silver seren simply likes hanging out here. It's something to do.

[Silver seren]

I find you guys amusing. And I don't think i'm being manipulated, since i'm getting the credit for the articles that I make that you guys suggest.

So, who's manipulating who? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[Alison]

I find you guys amusing. And I don't think i'm being manipulated, since i'm getting the credit for the articles that I make that you guys suggest.

"credit"??? "You guys"???

[thekohser]

For extra "credit", if he recreates the article about Norman Technologies (T-H-L-K-D), I'm going to dress in a badger suit for him.

[Silver seren]

I should have guys and gals, huh? Shouldn't be so male-centric. Sorry about that.

[Alison]

I should have guys and gals, huh? Shouldn't be so male-centric. Sorry about that.

*whoosh* (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

[Silver seren]

No, see, Alison, it's not that i'm not getting it, it's that i'm ignoring you. Big difference.

[Alison]

No, see, Alison, it's not that i'm not getting it, it's that i'm ignoring you. Big difference.

Dude - you're just not getting it. Please don't make me spell it out for you.

[thekohser]

I can't believe how utterly inert the Wikipedia Review community is being in this Graffiti4Hire AfD vote. We've had one regular chime in (hi, Alison), and she voted wrong.

That's not how you make steam come out of Wikipedians' ears -- especially the ones with "Say No to Flagged Revisions" banners on their User pages.

Do we even have a voting bloc here, or not?

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/popcorn.gif)

If anyone wants an example of a consensus forming around "Keep", then an admin coming in and doing whatever the f*ck he wants, here you go.

[A Horse With No Name]

I should have guys and gals, huh? Shouldn't be so male-centric. Sorry about that.

What about WR's equine population, hmmm? What am I, chopped liver? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)

[A User]

I can't believe how utterly inert the Wikipedia Review community is being in this Graffiti4Hire AfD vote. We've had one regular chime in (hi, Alison), and she voted wrong.

That's not how you make steam come out of Wikipedians' ears -- especially the ones with "Say No to Flagged Revisions" banners on their User pages.

Do we even have a voting bloc here, or not?

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/popcorn.gif)

If anyone wants an example of a consensus forming around "Keep", then an admin coming in and doing whatever the f*ck he wants, here you go.

Wow, despite the keep comments 5-2 it ended up deleted. I suspect if "thekohser"s name hadn't been mentioned the result may have been the other way.

[Silver seren]

I should have guys and gals, huh? Shouldn't be so male-centric. Sorry about that.

What about WR's equine population, hmmm? What am I, chopped liver? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)

Are you saying that, as a horse, you are neither male or female? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

[Alison]

I should have guys and gals, huh? Shouldn't be so male-centric. Sorry about that.

What about WR's equine population, hmmm? What am I, chopped liver? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)

Are you saying that, as a horse, you are neither male or female? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

I think he mighta been snipped, y'know. Poor thing! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sad.gif)

[A Horse With No Name]

I should have guys and gals, huh? Shouldn't be so male-centric. Sorry about that.

What about WR's equine population, hmmm? What am I, chopped liver? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)

Are you saying that, as a horse, you are neither male or female? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

You confuse gender with species. Horses are not guys or gals -- they are colts/stallions or fillies/mares.

I think he mighta been snipped, y'know. Poor thing! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sad.gif)

We'll overlook that lapse of brevity. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

[RMHED]

I find you guys amusing. And I don't think i'm being manipulated, since i'm getting the credit for the articles that I make that you guys suggest.

So, who's manipulating who? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

You're doing Sterling work.

[carbuncle]

I find you guys amusing. And I don't think i'm being manipulated, since i'm getting the credit for the articles that I make that you guys suggest.

So, who's manipulating who? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

You're doing Sterling work.

That's the hallmark of a genuine Wikipedian.

[RMHED]

I find you guys amusing. And I don't think i'm being manipulated, since i'm getting the credit for the articles that I make that you guys suggest.

So, who's manipulating who? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

You're doing Sterling work.

That's the hallmark of a genuine Wikipedian.

It certainly is take a bow Sterling Ericsson AKA Silver Seren.

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[Silver seren]

Ah, Academic Decathlon. Wow, that was a while ago. Going to State was a lot of fun. There's also this. Oh, and here's the results for State. I got a 997 out of 1000 for Interview and I only got a bronze. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif) God, I hated A track. I wish I was a C student, since the C track would have been ridiculously easier. Not to mention that my two teammates were Seniors and the Valedictorian and Salutatorian of their class. Hard to compete with them.

Oh, there's also this scholarship, but I never used it.

I forgot about this. Heh, almost all of those answers were BS, practically, especially the "Who would you like to meet" question.

Hmm...I think that's everything for now.

[EricBarbour]

I find you guys amusing. And I don't think i'm being manipulated, since i'm getting the credit for the articles that I make that you guys suggest.
So, who's manipulating who? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

It certainly is take a bow Sterling Ericsson AKA Silver Seren.

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)


Jeez, SS, you're a really smart kid. Why don't you use those smarts to make yourself a career that actually remunerates you?
(Instead of giving Jimbo's Nut Squad all that free labor, of course.)

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[Silver seren]

I'm currently a Molecular and Cellular Biology Major, so hopefully that will remunerate me in the future.

[Detective]

You confuse gender with species. Horses are not guys or gals -- they are colts/stallions or fillies/mares.

they? Are you implying that you're not a horse, Mr Horse? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

[thekohser]

I'm currently a Molecular and Cellular Biology Major, so hopefully that will remunerate me in the future.

I can see your first pharmacological product now:

Furricil - used to stimulate fur growth. It is most effective for people under 25 years of age with scant dating history.

[A Horse With No Name]

You confuse gender with species. Horses are not guys or gals -- they are colts/stallions or fillies/mares.

they? Are you implying that you're not a horse, Mr Horse? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

Eh, phooey! What kind of a detective are you? You need to take lessons from Bob Mitchum:

[Detective]

Eh, phooey! What kind of a detective are you? You need to take lessons from Bob Mitchum:

Bob Mitchum? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sick.gif)

Have you seen "The Falcon Takes Over", which was based on the same Raymond Chandler book but had George Sanders in the lead? Now he was an actor.

I'm going to dress in a badger suit for him.

Now for that I'd pay good money.

[thekohser]

Eh, phooey! What kind of a detective are you? You need to take lessons from Bob Mitchum:

Va va va voom, 1970's Charlotte Rampling!

[Peter Damian]

Great film and a great book. Absolutely in the first rank of writers.

This past spring was the first time that I'd felt tired and realised that I was growing old. Maybe it was the rotten weather we'd had in LA. Maybe it was the rotten cases I'd had. Mostly chasing a few missing husbands and then chasing their wives once I'd found them, in order to get paid. Or maybe it was just the plain fact that I am tired, and growing old.

Little known fact: Chandler was from London. (Sorry this is completely off-topic).

[Milton Roe]

I'm currently a Molecular and Cellular Biology Major, so hopefully that will remunerate me in the future.

I can see your first pharmacological product now:

Furricil - used to stimulate fur growth. It is most effective for people under 25 years of age with scant dating history.

I suspect he uses Latisse already.

The more you know about the history and present usage of bimatoprost (Latisse), BTW, the more you realize that the human race is quite barking mad. I have seen 70 year-old women pay for it. The cost ($50 a month) is about what it takes to keep a third world family from starving to death. (IMG:http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x147/cherpatsy/emoticons/2410_batting_eyelashes.gif)


(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/confused.gif)

[A Horse With No Name]

Va va va voom, 1970's Charlotte Rampling!

Also off-topic: I interviewed Ms. Rampling a few years ago and she is still gorgeous. She is also one of the nicest people I've had the pleasure of meeting. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

[SB_Johnny]

I'm going to dress in a badger suit for him.

Now for that I'd pay good money.

+1

[Gruntled]

Little known fact: Chandler was from London. (Sorry this is completely off-topic).

Not only is it off-topic, I'm afraid it isn't a fact. Chandler was born in Chicago and spent the great majority of his life in the good ol' USA. True, he went to Britain as a youth, was educated at Dulwich College and even had his first job in Britain, but that's not quite the same thing.

I am a great admirer of Peter. That does mean I hold him to high standards of accuracy, so I hope he'll take this as a token of my regard for his usually impeccable scholarship.

[thekohser]

This is sort of interesting.

Gina Smith is a reporter and author and former CEO of the company that made the "ninth worst computer of all time".

But no Wikipedia biography about her, and it's been noticed.

While she's perfectly willing to sing the praises of Wikipedia and of Jimmy Wales, she is "scared spitless" of what Wikipedia vandals would do to a biography of hers.

Oh, and here's the kicker -- she's on the CiviliNation board of directors with Jimbo and Jimbo's gal-pal Andrea!

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[carbuncle]

This is sort of interesting.

Gina Smith is a reporter and author and former CEO of the company that made the "ninth worst computer of all time".

But no Wikipedia biography about her, and it's been noticed.

While she's perfectly willing to sing the praises of Wikipedia and of Jimmy Wales, she is "scared spitless" of what Wikipedia vandals would do to a biography of hers.

Oh, and here's the kicker -- she's on the CiviliNation board of directors with Jimbo and Jimbo's gal-pal Andrea!

Also CEO of Steve Wozniak's Eye Games. Clearly notable.

[Peter Damian]

Little known fact: Chandler was from London. (Sorry this is completely off-topic).

Not only is it off-topic, I'm afraid it isn't a fact. Chandler was born in Chicago and spent the great majority of his life in the good ol' USA. True, he went to Britain as a youth, was educated at Dulwich College and even had his first job in Britain, but that's not quite the same thing.

I am a great admirer of Peter. That does mean I hold him to high standards of accuracy, so I hope he'll take this as a token of my regard for his usually impeccable scholarship.

I checked and you are correct http://chrisroutledge.co.uk/2009/03/26/ray...lers-early-life . My remark was based from memory of a biography I read in the late 1980's, where it was claimed Chandler came to England at about the age of 7. It is now thought he did not arrive until the age of 12. Nonetheless, he attended a top English public (i.e. private) school and worked in the Admiralty. His mother was quite snobbish. This mixed in with the Los Angeles air somewhere and the rest is cultural history.

[Milton Roe]

I checked and you are correct http://chrisroutledge.co.uk/2009/03/26/ray...lers-early-life . My remark was based from memory of a biography I read in the late 1980's, where it was claimed Chandler came to England at about the age of 7. It is now thought he did not arrive until the age of 12. Nonetheless, he attended a top English public (i.e. private) school and worked in the Admiralty. His mother was quite snobbish. This mixed in with the Los Angeles air somewhere and the rest is cultural history.

"It was a blonde. A blonde to make a bishop kick a hole in a stained glass window."

As you point out, that's not a line that you would expect to be written by your typical Angelino. And it would presumably have been an Anglican bishop, of course. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif) Else it would have been something like:

"It was a blond boy. A boy to make a priest feel tingles in his rectory..."

[Doc glasgow]

How about this babe:

Tracey Walker

*"Very First Internet Supermodel"
*"one of the world's most well-known spokesmodels"
*"one of the most downloaded women with more than 2.5 billion downloads from 1994 to 2003"
*Looks like a really foxy lady

She's been on Wikipedia for two and a half years


Bomis eat your heart out!

Unfortunately, it is all probably bullshit. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)


(Oh, happy birthday Wikipedia (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/yecch.gif) )


*Delete 34D-24-34 is not notable ~~~~

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[CharlotteWebb]

Delete Yes, interesting person but not even if the detail is correct unless they are reported in independent wiki reliable locations, then she isn't wikikpedia notable for a bio. Off2riorob (talk) 21:53, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Spelling (typing) errors may be forgivable, but using nouns as adverbs like this seems wiki-awkward without a hyphen.

[Doc glasgow]

If this, as it appears, a hoax, it is a very elebourate one.


http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=541889179

I'm wondering whether some of the sleuths here might want to split this into a new thread and investigate.

[Silver seren]

It's only elaborate in the sense that she has a facebook, myspace, and a few other things. But there is no indication or confirmation of fact that she was the first internet model or any of the other things in her list of accomplishments. I could find exactly 0 news sources on her.

She seems to be right only in her own head, no one else agrees or cares.

[thekohser]

She seems to be right only in her own head, no one else agrees or cares.

It's like one micro-step below Elonka Dunin.

[Zoloft]

Tracey Walker is claiming to be married to Reginald Kinkade, a retired Indiana businessman who has an uh, interesting history in Chicago and environs.

[thekohser]

A little bird chirped in my ear that Wikipedia has no article about internalized oppression, only this little sub-section.

[thekohser]

Amazing that Wikipedia has such a shoddy article about Tail Gunner, no hatnote about it on Tail gunner, and no article at all about Tail Gunner II -- which in my estimation was the pinnacle of arcade black-and-white vector graphics video games. Well, maybe a tie with Star Castle, made "color" via a yellow-orange-red sticker under the glass.

I thought Wikipedia was supposed to be unsurpassed in nerdy, video game subjects?!

[carbuncle]

I just noticed that WP has no article on Dr Gerald W Johnson, inventor of Polypropylene breast implants. Instead of slapping their breasts to make them grow, women can have a surgeon implant polypropylene string in their bodies. As the article says, "The polypropylene, which is yarn-like, causes irritation to the implant pocket which causes the production of serum which fills the implant pocket on a continual basis. This causes continuous expansion of the breast after surgery". So much easier than slapping, but despite the obvious superiority of this method, it has been banned.

This link should be helpful for anyone working on this article. Also this one, about his attempt to sell video of his breast augmentation surgery on Anna Nicole Smith.

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[thekohser]

...which causes the production of serum...

Mmm... boob serum. Yummy.

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sick.gif)

[thekohser]

Why does the placeholder for Mimi Macpherson redirect to the Wikipedia article about Elle Macpherson? That must be awfully insulting for Mimi, that she is only Wikipedia-notable for being the sibling of her more-famous sister.

[tarantino]

Why does the placeholder for Mimi Macpherson redirect to the Wikipedia article about Elle Macpherson? That must be awfully insulting for Mimi, that she is only Wikipedia-notable for being the sibling of her more-famous sister.

I bet she wants it that way. Before Jimbo started the AFD on her bio and it got deleted, idiots constantly fought to keep in references to a sex tape that circulated years ago.

More that a year later, the idiots were still at it. DC makes a good point though. Why can't Murphy be extended the same courtesy as Mimi?

[thekohser]

No article about WinBook. Around 1993, I owned a WinBook laptop computer, and as I recall it was a highly-rated and popular brand, right behind IBM, Panasonic, and NEC.

[A Horse With No Name]

I just noticed that WP has no article on Dr Gerald W Johnson, inventor of Polypropylene breast implants. Instead of slapping their breasts to make them grow, women can have a surgeon implant polypropylene string in their bodies. As the article says, "The polypropylene, which is yarn-like, causes irritation to the implant pocket which causes the production of serum which fills the implant pocket on a continual basis. This causes continuous expansion of the breast after surgery". So much easier than slapping, but despite the obvious superiority of this method, it has been banned.

This link should be helpful for anyone working on this article. Also this one, about his attempt to sell video of his breast augmentation surgery on Anna Nicole Smith.

Now that should be a Featured Article! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

What with Google taking on a nautical theme today, it is notable that the millions of international tax dollars going to do little to limit the exploitation of a rapidly endangered species and its dolphin by-kill, Western Central Pacific Ocean Fisheries Commission, the Inter-American Tropical Tuna Commission, the Indian Ocean Tuna Commission are all red linked.

I suppose until someone takes to slapping breasts with tuna they will be of little interest to the whackopedians.

And, remember kids, 90% of tuna stocks have disappeared in the last few decades and, as top of the marine food chain, its meat is laced with mercury and other toxins. No, it is not a chicken and you do need to eat it.

Writing as someone that has stood and wondered at football pitch sized slabs of these beautiful creatures and marvelled at their single minded bio-engineering, I can confirm they look better out of a can and swimming than in a can with a load of dead dolphin in their trail.

[thekohser]

No article about Cenegenics?! I would have thought the typical Wikipedia crowd would have had a field day bashing that product/system.

If you've read an in-flight magazine in the past year, or watch any amount of CNBC, you surely have seen the ads:

(IMG:http://media.photobucket.com/image/cenegenics/PRWeb_04_2010/19/CenegenicsDrThompsonDXA1.jpg)

(Thanks for the continually perplexing "how to add an image to a post" feature, WR.)

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[tarantino]

No article about Cenegenics?! I would have thought the typical Wikipedia crowd would have had a field day bashing that product/system.

If you've read an in-flight magazine in the past year, or watch any amount of CNBC, you surely have seen the ads:

(IMG:http://media.photobucket.com/image/cenegenics/PRWeb_04_2010/19/CenegenicsDrThompsonDXA1.jpg)

(Thanks for the continually perplexing "how to add an image to a post" feature, WR.)

The URL you used,

CODE

http://media.photobucket.com/image/cenegenics/PRWeb_04_2010/19/CenegenicsDrThompsonDXA1.jpg

is a web page, not an image.

You should have used

CODE

http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad237/PRWeb_04_2010/19/CenegenicsDrThompsonDXA1.jpg

(IMG:http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad237/PRWeb_04_2010/19/CenegenicsDrThompsonDXA1.jpg)

[thekohser]

The URL you used,

CODE

http://media.photobucket.com/image/cenegenics/PRWeb_04_2010/19/CenegenicsDrThompsonDXA1.jpg

is a web page, not an image.

You should have used

CODE

http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad237/PRWeb_04_2010/19/CenegenicsDrThompsonDXA1.jpg

(IMG:http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad237/PRWeb_04_2010/19/CenegenicsDrThompsonDXA1.jpg)

Funny how the word "image" is in the web page, and the word "albums" is in the image.

[Cedric]

"NO INSURANCE AND NO MEDICARE ACCEPTED": I believe that is griftersprecht for "insurance companies and Medicare know that this is a scam, so don't even try". (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

[Peter Damian]

Goga Ashkenazi - strange that this impossibly beautiful http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&gbv=2...f&aqi=&aql=&oq= and rich and famous woman (via her relationship with the awful Prince Andrew - see this simpering interview in the Standard http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/art...-trade-envoy.do ) has no article in Wikipedia. Just as well.

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[Eva Destruction]

Goga Ashkenazi - strange that this impossibly beautiful http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&gbv=2...f&aqi=&aql=&oq= and rich and famous woman (via her relationship with the awful Prince Andrew - see this simpering interview in the Standard http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/art...-trade-envoy.do ) has no article in Wikipedia. Just as well.

Just to clarify—you're complaining that Wikipedia doesn't have enough biographies of marginally notable z-list celebrities?

[Peter Damian]

Goga Ashkenazi - strange that this impossibly beautiful http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&gbv=2...f&aqi=&aql=&oq= and rich and famous woman (via her relationship with the awful Prince Andrew - see this simpering interview in the Standard http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/art...-trade-envoy.do ) has no article in Wikipedia. Just as well.

Just to clarify—you're complaining that Wikipedia doesn't have enough biographies of marginally notable z-list celebrities?

She is not a z-list celebrity. She is beautiful. And she went to Oxford. And she is a billionaire.

[edit] and also 'a very flirty girl' http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/p...nt-2239797.html . This is from The Independent mind you. The article could practically write itself (goes off to look in the Commons).

[edit] No nothing on the Commons, apart from pictures of penises http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Reino_Unido.jpg .

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[Peter Damian]

You saw it here first. In the Sunday Times today, a 3-page article the divine Goga, and the web of corruption surrounding the royal family. Some beautiful writing: "[she] is now a one-name wonder in the slippery, over-resourced milieu that has taken over what used to be London society".

She has a pet chihuahua called 'Mati Hari'.

Where is our friend Sliver Serene?

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[-DS-]

Wiesław Kaczmarek

Proof that Wikipedia does not give a damn about anything that isn't either American or pop-culture-related.

[melloden]

Wiesław Kaczmarek

Proof that Wikipedia does not give a damn about anything that isn't either American or pop-culture-related.

Which one?

[-DS-]

Wiesław Kaczmarek

Proof that Wikipedia does not give a damn about anything that isn't either American or pop-culture-related.

Which one?

The first one, though the second one feels like another glaring omission.

[Kelly Martin]

No article about Cenegenics?! I would have thought the typical Wikipedia crowd would have had a field day bashing that product/system.

If you've read an in-flight magazine in the past year, or watch any amount of CNBC, you surely have seen the ads:

Like the average Wikipedian can afford to fly or watches anything so boring as CNBC. Do they run the ads during Adult Swim on the Cartoon Network? If not, then they don't exist for Wikipedia.

[Peter Damian]

Like the average Wikipedian can afford to fly

How do they get to those Wikimedia thingies in Poland and Haifa then?

[thekohser]

Strange, with all the dorky Yes-heads editing Wikipedia that there's no article about Esquire (band), fronted by Yes bassist Chris Squire's (ex-) wife, Nikki Squire.



Have any of the music gurus on WR ever heard of Esquire?

[Gruntled]

Strange, with all the dorky Yes-heads editing Wikipedia that there's no article about Esquire (band), fronted by Yes bassist Chris Squire's (ex-) wife, Nikki Squire.

Ah, yes, Nikki Squire. A very fine batswoman - and Irish, to keep Alison happy.

[thekohser]

Strange, with all the dorky Yes-heads editing Wikipedia that there's no article about Esquire (band), fronted by Yes bassist Chris Squire's (ex-) wife, Nikki Squire.

Clearly, the band is notable because their Geffen album was reviewed by Jim Zebora in the notable Connecticut Record-Journal. He said of the album:

Delete the "E" and you've got Nikki Squire, wife of Yes-man Chris. She should find other toys to play with, not her husband's recording studio.

For pure abomination, just listen to "Knock Twice for Heaven," as shrill a tune as has ever seen vinyl. I'm willing to forgive a lot of vocal faults when they're used for good effect, but Mrs. Squire's piercing, unpleasant pipes made me long for my earplugs.

This one is a must to avoid. The less said about Esquire, the better. D-minus.

It should be noted that Zebora also only gave U2's The Joshua Tree a "B" grade, despite that fifth album of theirs being widely considered their best to that point.

On the other hand, Malaysia's New Straits Times described Esquire as "derivative... but damn good", giving the album a more charitable 3-star rating, one star more than they bestowed on Level 42's Running in the Family.

I'll play us out with that "Knock Twice for Heaven" song... grab your earplugs.



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[thekohser]

Today, I learned from an interesting e-mail about the Mikasa tableware company...

In the early 1930s, Mikasa was established as an international trading company based in Secaucus, New Jersey. The company, while wholly American, looked to Japan for inspiration. Named in honor of Prince Mikasa, the youngest brother of Emperor Hirohito, Mikasa soon established itself as one of the most recognized Japanese brand names in the West. Importing merchandise produced by a network of over 150 manufacturers worldwide, the company itself never attempted to make any of the dinnerware it sold. Rather, the Mikasa branded items were imported from Japan, Ireland, England, France, and Germany. Business exploded in the 1950s, and tableware became the staple business for Mikasa. Customer requests were pouring in from all parts of the country, and department stores including Bloomingdale's and Macy's could not keep enough stock to meet demand. Consumers found Mikasa ceramics to be very strong, versatile, and stylish. By the beginning of the 1960s, Mikasa had established a reputation as "the pioneer of American casual."

If you check Wikipedia to see if they corroborate any of this interesting info, you'll probably start at a Mikasa disambiguation page, which will lead you to the Mikasa & Company page, which itself is only a redirect to Arc International, the conglomerate that acquired Mikasa in the year 2000. That article only says this about Mikasa:

...Mikasa[4] (acquired from US in 2000)...

The "reference" source is a spam link, of course, added by an IP editor who works at market research firm, Ipsos MORI. It's been there for months.

Of course, Mikasa is no longer owned by Arc International, as it was acquired by Lifetime Brands, in 2008. Wikipedia hasn't caught up with that yet. (There isn't even a Wikipedia stub about Lifetime Brands, even though it's a publicly-traded powerhouse that owns the Mikasa, KitchenAid, Farberware, Cuisinart, Wallace, and Pfaltzgraff brands.

So, for interesting information about Mikasa tableware, commercial e-mail is a far more informative source than Wikipedia.

Wikipedia is always improving, and quickly.

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[EricBarbour]

The "reference" source is a spam link, of course, added by an IP editor who works at market research firm, Ipsos MORI. It's been there for months.

Of course, Mikasa is no longer owned by Arc International, as it was acquired by Lifetime Brands, in 2008. Wikipedia hasn't caught up with that yet. (There isn't even a Wikipedia stub about Lifetime Brands, even though it's a publicly-traded powerhouse that owns the Mikasa, KitchenAid, Farberware, Cuisinart, Wallace, and Pfaltzgraff brands.

So, for interesting information about Mikasa tableware, commercial e-mail is a far more informative source than Wikipedia.

Wikipedia is always improving, and quickly.

Don't forget the article about the Kirby vacuum cleaner company.
It just gets more hostile and defamatory as time goes on.....
love the excellent product photo, too!

I have to wonder if this is an attempt by the left-leaning wikinerds to
mount an assault on Berkshire Hathaway. The main article looks
as if it is being manicured by paid editors. And the Warren Buffett
bio reads like a love letter. Hmm.

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[thekohser]

I'll bet Horsey and a few others will flashback with me on this one.

Why is there no Wikipedia article paying tribute to Ferdinand J. Smith, composer of two of the best TV movie presentation theme songs in history?

To this day, that HBO theme makes me want to jump around, Rocky boxing style.

[thekohser]

ArtCarved brand jewelry? Seems notable enough for WP standards, but where is the article?

[thekohser]

Pearl Drops tooth polish. An iconic brand of the 1980's, but nowhere to be found on Wikipedia.

[thekohser]

Cell bank. The very raw materials of bioengineering are stored in these things, but Wikipedia doesn't know what they are.

[thekohser]

Zacks Investment Research. Seriously, Cirt and Carrite, is your collective head so far up your butt that "delete" is the best solution, rather than "create obviously needed article"?

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[A Horse With No Name]

The unreleased indie film "Missing Pieces" . I am surprised this lasted as long as it did.

[Silver seren]

Cell bank. The very raw materials of bioengineering are stored in these things, but Wikipedia doesn't know what they are.

Haven't gotten to cell banks yet in class, but I assume we will at some point, considering my major.

Kohser, I assume that an Amniotic stem cell bank is some sort of subdivision of that or is that what you were looking for?

[thekohser]

Kohser, I assume that an Amniotic stem cell bank is some sort of subdivision of that or is that what you were looking for?

I'm no expert, but this sounds to me like Wikipedia having an article about the Polaris 600 IQ LXT, but no article about snowmobiles. For example, there are lymphoma cell banks.

[Silver seren]

True, and that does seem to be correct, considering there are also cord blood stem cell banks, and cord blood (the umbilical cord) is very different from amniotic fluid (the fluid inside the placental sac).

I'll get right on it then. Something basic to start with.

[Silver seren]

I got confused for a moment over the difference between a cell bank and a master cell bank.

A cell bank is an actual facility that stores genetic lines of cells of various types.

A master cell bank is actually one of those specific genetic lines, contained in a number of vials.

Weird naming system.

And then there's also a working cell bank, which is a master cell bank line that is put into active use for production of various tissues and whatever else is needed.

...couldn't they have come up with more original names for the things?

[thekohser]

...couldn't they have come up with more original names for the things?

Maybe Wikipedia can establish a new name for the various phenomena. They do that all the time. For example, "Casey Anthony" is now called "Death of Caylee Anthony". And "Steven Slater" is now going by the name "JetBlue flight attendant incident". The "trunk lid" or "trunk door" of an automobile is now referred to only as a "decklid" or a "boot lid", though "decklid" is the only acceptable Wikipedia term for the item, as zero other words for it redirect to "decklid".

Good luck! Happy editing!

[Silver seren]

Cell bank

Still rather rough, obviously, but there it is. I'm probably going to add a Types section to discuss the different types of organizations (stem cells and all of their variations, lymphoma, etcetera).

[thekohser]

Cell bank

Still rather rough, obviously, but there it is. I'm probably going to add a Types section to discuss the different types of organizations (stem cells and all of their variations, lymphoma, etcetera).

What? No credit in the edit summaries to "Thekohser" or to "Gregory Kohs" for inspiring the genesis of this article? I might have to stop giving out these great ideas here.

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[thekohser]

Of course, Mikasa is no longer owned by Arc International, as it was acquired by Lifetime Brands, in 2008. Wikipedia hasn't caught up with that yet.

Over four months and 10,000+ page views later, Wikipedia's still goin' wrong.

[Silver seren]

Of course, Mikasa is no longer owned by Arc International, as it was acquired by Lifetime Brands, in 2008. Wikipedia hasn't caught up with that yet.

Over four months and 10,000+ page views later, Wikipedia's still goin' wrong.

Fixed, I think.

[Milton Roe]

Cell bank

Still rather rough, obviously, but there it is. I'm probably going to add a Types section to discuss the different types of organizations (stem cells and all of their variations, lymphoma, etcetera).

Don't forget to link with tissue bank and biomedical tissue.

[Silver seren]

Cell bank

Still rather rough, obviously, but there it is. I'm probably going to add a Types section to discuss the different types of organizations (stem cells and all of their variations, lymphoma, etcetera).

Don't forget to link with tissue bank and biomedical tissue.

As a See Also, sure, but I don't think tissue banks have the same processes as cell banks do. They're rather different.

[Milton Roe]

Cell bank

Still rather rough, obviously, but there it is. I'm probably going to add a Types section to discuss the different types of organizations (stem cells and all of their variations, lymphoma, etcetera).

Don't forget to link with tissue bank and biomedical tissue.

As a See Also, sure, but I don't think tissue banks have the same processes as cell banks do. They're rather different.

Depends on the tissue. If it's living tissue, it's identical, since all living tissue is stored as cells. Caveats are the very few living "bulk tissues" stored, which are skin and corneas (a matter of surface/volume ratios plus no need for preservation of vessals). Skin can be frozen. Corneas cannot yet to be stored in liquid nitrogen or fully cryogenically, but they will very soon.

[thekohser]

Of course, Mikasa is no longer owned by Arc International, as it was acquired by Lifetime Brands, in 2008. Wikipedia hasn't caught up with that yet.

Over four months and 10,000+ page views later, Wikipedia's still goin' wrong.

Fixed, I think.

I'll give you a C-plus. Your edit summary ("→Brands: Add info on acquisition") makes no attempt to properly attribute to me the idea for your edit. Once again, Wikipedia spits in the face of the time-honored tradition of "credit where credit's due".

I think I will stop giving away these wonderful ideas I have for improving Wikipedia.

[Silver seren]

Of course, Mikasa is no longer owned by Arc International, as it was acquired by Lifetime Brands, in 2008. Wikipedia hasn't caught up with that yet.

Over four months and 10,000+ page views later, Wikipedia's still goin' wrong.

Fixed, I think.

I'll give you a C-plus. Your edit summary ("→Brands: Add info on acquisition") makes no attempt to properly attribute to me the idea for your edit. Once again, Wikipedia spits in the face of the time-honored tradition of "credit where credit's due".

I think I will stop giving away these wonderful ideas I have for improving Wikipedia.

That has absolutely nothing to do with "credit" I'm the one that added the sentence in my own words, and i'm the one that added the formatted reference.

The same with the Cell bank article. I'm the one that wrote it in its entirety, i'm the one that referenced it, you did nothing beyond point out that an article didn't exist on the subject.

If that's what "credit" means, then I would have to give credit to the Freakangels webcomic for mentioning Salter's duck, which led to me making an article on it. And there's no way in hell i'm doing that.

[Sololol]

That has absolutely nothing to do with "credit" I'm the one that added the sentence in my own words, and i'm the one that added the formatted reference.

The same with the Cell bank article. I'm the one that wrote it in its entirety, i'm the one that referenced it, you did nothing beyond point out that an article didn't exist on the subject.

If that's what "credit" means, then I would have to give credit to the Freakangels webcomic for mentioning Salter's duck, which led to me making an article on it. And there's no way in hell i'm doing that.

Think Kohs typed that with tongue decidedly in cheek.

[thekohser]

And there's no way in hell i'm doing that.

Just as there's no way in hell I'm (note, capitalization) going to keep giving you these gem-quality ideas that you transform into easy lay-ups and score points with your WikiCult brethren. I'll endeavor to return to my own wiki site and start making (copyrighted) articles about the things I think should be on Wikipedia, but aren't.

No hard feelings... but you suck at drama.

[Silver seren]

Think Kohs typed that with tongue decidedly in cheek.

Yes, but he is also meaning to be annoying and insulting, because he's certainly never nice when he's talking to me.


No worries, Kohser, I already have a pretty long list of things to work on anyways. I don't need you. Never did, really.

[thekohser]

Think Kohs typed that with tongue decidedly in cheek.

Yes, but he is also meaning to be annoying and insulting, because he's certainly never nice when he's talking to me.


No worries, Kohser, I already have a pretty long list of things to work on anyways. I don't need you. Never did, really.

Get outta here, then, fur-ball.

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

[Sololol]

Think Kohs typed that with tongue decidedly in cheek.

Yes, but he is also meaning to be annoying and insulting, because he's certainly never nice when he's talking to me.


No worries, Kohser, I already have a pretty long list of things to work on anyways. I don't need you. Never did, really.

Get outta here, then, fur-ball.

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unhappy.gif) Anti-tiger racism.

[Alison]

No worries, Kohser, I already have a pretty long list of things to work on anyways. I don't need you. Never did, really.

Get outta here, then, fur-ball.

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unhappy.gif) Anti-tiger racism.

Worse than that - FURSECUTION!!!! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

[Sololol]

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unhappy.gif) Anti-tiger racism.

Worse than that - FURSECUTION!!!! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

Whoa there, Allie! Let's not be so quick to drop the F-bomb and give Kohs the benefit of the doubt. Maybe there are other furries, perhaps chinchillas or North American salt water beavers, that he happily collaborates with.

[Zoloft]

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unhappy.gif) Anti-tiger racism.

Worse than that - FURSECUTION!!!! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

Whoa there, Allie! Let's not be so quick to drop the F-bomb and give Kohs the benefit of the doubt. Maybe there are other furries, perhaps chinchillas or North American salt water beavers, that he happily collaborates with.

I think it would be supportive of fur-tolerant Kohs if we all picked a fursona and matching avatar for a week if we post in a thread of his.

I'll start it off.

[Sololol]

I think it would be supportive of fur-tolerant Kohs if we all picked a fursona and matching avatar for a week if we post in a thread of his.

I'll start it off.

I support this idea as part of an initiative for a kinder, gentler Wikipedia Review.

Wait a second, can my avatar be a fursona per se or do feathers not count? If not I call Vancouver Island marmot.

[Zoloft]

Independent producer who championed the controversial film Black Like Me and victim of the Red Channels blacklist, Julius Tannenbaum. No article. All the sources are in old books and magazines.

*hops around a bit for color*

[Sololol]

Saccharomyces diastaticus: a "wild" yeast notorious amongst brewers for over-attenuating beer by breaking down dextrins left untouched by its milder cousin, diastaticus has been spliced into various fuel producing yeasts and even tweaked into producing fuel ethanol from xylose and other materials.

*Marmots around a bit. Roots for Canucks.*

[Silver seren]

I find all of this very hilarious.

Wait a second, can my avatar be a fursona per se or do feathers not count? If not I call Vancouver Island marmot.

Bird fursonas are called avians.

Reptile fursonas are called scalies.

Anything more obscure than that (insects?) don't have specific titles.

[lilburne]

I claim all three.

[Sololol]

I find all of this very hilarious.

Wait a second, can my avatar be a fursona per se or do feathers not count? If not I call Vancouver Island marmot.

Bird fursonas are called avians.

Reptile fursonas are called scalies.

Anything more obscure than that (insects?) don't have specific titles.

Where's the article on scalies? Same goes for chitinies (covering both insects and fungi) and spinies (or do mammal spines usually qualify as fur? hmm). In fact, where is the comprehensive article on furry taxonomy?!

[thekohser]

I think it would be supportive of fur-tolerant Kohs if we all picked a fursona and matching avatar for a week if we post in a thread of his.

I'll start it off.

I support this idea as part of an initiative for a kinder, gentler Wikipedia Review.

Wait a second, can my avatar be a fursona per se or do feathers not count? If not I call Vancouver Island marmot.

You guys think you're so funny, don't you?

*stuffs cheeks with soybean kibble*

[melloden]

I think it would be supportive of fur-tolerant Kohs if we all picked a fursona and matching avatar for a week if we post in a thread of his.

I'll start it off.

I support this idea as part of an initiative for a kinder, gentler Wikipedia Review.

Wait a second, can my avatar be a fursona per se or do feathers not count? If not I call Vancouver Island marmot.

You guys think you're so funny, don't you?

*stuffs cheeks with soybean kibble*

Hmph.