JohnnyB256 is gone, Mantanmoreland reincarnated Options

[Cla68]

There is already a thread in a separate forum which touches on this subject. Rather than discussing the Robertson lawsuit article itself, however, I'm going to focus this on Weiss. It appears that JohnnyB256 was the latest reincarnation of Weiss/Mantanmoreland, although it's not stated that way, instead identifying private evidence as the reason for the block. Nevertheless, assuming that the account was operated by Weiss, here's a few things I take away from this episode:

- Why did Weiss react the way he did when I posted the Robertson lawsuit article? Didn't he notice what happened when SlimVirgin and Will BeBack reacted violently to the Eurasian Land Bridge article? Because of their reaction to that article, they made it very clear to everyone that they are not in the least bit neutral about LaRouche. Like them, Weiss should have ignored the article.

- When Weiss did get involved right away, he didn't even try to appear neutral about it. He changed the article to make Robertson look worse and minimize Weiss' involvement. He drastically shortened the lede at the same time he nominated it for deletion. He removed most of the categories. He removed the wikilinks to the article from the McGraw-Hill and BusinessWeek articles, but not from the Robertson or Tiger Management articles. Obvious POV editing.

- The lawsuit article may or may not survive, but one of the reasons this is only an issue is because Weiss fought so hard in the past to keep any mention of it out of his bio. The story is reported on in too many sources- Wall Street Journal, NY Times, etc to ignore it. If he had allowed a short paragraph on it to be added to his bio years ago, then he wouldn't now have to worry about a complete article on the story to exist on Wikipedia or elsewhere (such as Wikipedia Review).

- Has Weiss noticed how many people came out of the woodwork to support keeping the Robertson lawsuit article? Will he now realize that there are now far more people with an interest in seeing him lose his battle over Wikipedia than he has friends willing to help him? (I'm not saying that everyone who voted to delete the article is a friend of Weiss'.)

- Does Weiss realize that the next article about him that may appear in Wikipedia could be titled "Gary Weiss Wikipedia editing controversy", or "Weiss v. Byrne naked short selling feud"? The Register is not the only source to report on these stories, and may not be the main source in the future. Even if the Register was the main source for those articles, from what I'm seeing with regard to the Roberson lawsuit article, it is not a given that the Wikipedia community would vote to delete those articles if created.

- I guess the big question is, will Weiss learn his lesson from everything that has happened so far? Will he realize that he has lost and lost badly his battle to manipulate Wikipedia for his own agenda? Will he now cut his losses and walk away?

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[Piperdown]

Memo To Gary.

Next time you build a gaggle of NSS socks, make sure your ace in the hole one does not edit any old Film Noir related articles pepperred with the occasional WWII Journalism/Judaica BLP? Jeez. Could Stetson be any more obvious?

Well at least Stetson didn't edit Varkala or New Mexico stuff this time.

[everyking]

Memo To Gary.

Next time you build a gaggle of NSS socks, make sure your ace in the hole one does not edit any old Film Noir related articles pepperred with the occasional WWII Journalism/Judaica BLP? Jeez. Could Stetson be any more obvious?

Well at least Stetson didn't edit Varkala or New Mexico stuff this time.

Weiss has got himself into a very difficult position. Really convincing socks for his purposes would need to segregate their editing very consistently, and they'd need to avoid any topic areas favored by already banned socks (even though those subjects are likely to be the ones the sockmaster most wants to write about). But they'd also need to diffuse their editing on a certain level, to provide plausibility when they wanted to wade into whatever controversy was their real raison d'être. So they'd have to edit mostly about one subject, but occasionally about others (but never about the ones already assigned to other socks), while also getting involved in policy discussions, all while ensuring that the edits in non-raison d'être areas heavily outweighed those in raison d'être areas, in order to ensure security and credibility for interventions into the raison d'être areas. In short, it would be really complicated and time-consuming, so only a genius without a full-time job could hope to successfully execute the strategy.

[Cla68]

Memo To Gary.

Next time you build a gaggle of NSS socks, make sure your ace in the hole one does not edit any old Film Noir related articles pepperred with the occasional WWII Journalism/Judaica BLP? Jeez. Could Stetson be any more obvious?

Well at least Stetson didn't edit Varkala or New Mexico stuff this time.

Weiss has got himself into a very difficult position. Really convincing socks for his purposes would need to segregate their editing very consistently, and they'd need to avoid any topic areas favored by already banned socks (even though those subjects are likely to be the ones the sockmaster most wants to write about). But they'd also need to diffuse their editing on a certain level, to provide plausibility when they wanted to wade into whatever controversy was their real raison d'être. So they'd have to edit mostly about one subject, but occasionally about others (but never about the ones already assigned to other socks), while also getting involved in policy discussions, all while ensuring that the edits in non-raison d'être areas heavily outweighed those in raison d'être areas, in order to ensure security and credibility for interventions into the raison d'être areas. In short, it would be really complicated and time-consuming, so only a genius without a full-time job could hope to successfully execute the strategy.

Well, that's done. Good job Alison, Lar, and Seddon.

Edit: And Thatcher also, per Alison below.

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[Alison]

Well, that's done. Good job Alison, Lar, and Seddon.

Good job, Thatcher, too (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

[WordBomb]

Well, that's done. Good job Alison, Lar, and Seddon.

Good job, Thatcher, too (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

I agree. Good job to you all.

The good news is, I have to presume Weiss has reached the limits of his sockpuppeting abilities. That will either dissuade him from coming back or (more likely) make him much easier to nail next time. Hopefully this won't end up being an ongoing burden for you folks.

[Alison]

The good news is, I have to presume Weiss has reached the limits of his sockpuppeting abilities. That will either dissuade him from coming back or (more likely) make him much easier to nail next time. Hopefully this won't end up being an ongoing burden for you folks.

Well, he got a good run at it with one or two of those socks, though. There's a good reason, though, why we're all keeping quiet on the exact details of how he was caught so he can't use that information to his advantage next time. As I said earlier, he'll be back again - his ego demands it (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hmmm.gif)

[Piperdown]

The good news is, I have to presume Weiss has reached the limits of his sockpuppeting abilities. That will either dissuade him from coming back or (more likely) make him much easier to nail next time. Hopefully this won't end up being an ongoing burden for you folks.

Well, he got a good run at it with one or two of those socks, though. There's a good reason, though, why we're all keeping quiet on the exact details of how he was caught so he can't use that information to his advantage next time. As I said earlier, he'll be back again - his ego demands it (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hmmm.gif)

Watchout, Allie. He'll get his bud Nocera to start bashing Steve Jobs again in the NYT so Nocera's short friends (well since APPL went 80 to 200 they're probably not friends any more) can put up a fight.

I consider Nocera's interactions with Jobs to be further evidence of: How the fuck did Joe Nocera get to be a NYT demi-god? Has anyone actually read his material or seen his interiviews? Nocera is a retard.