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David Gerard assesses JSTOR as a "problem that needs dealing with", and he goes on to ponder ways by which the entire "proprietary journal system" could be brought to its knees.
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 20th July 2011, 2:27pm) *

David Gerard assesses JSTOR as a "problem that needs dealing with", and he goes on to ponder ways by which the entire "proprietary journal system" could be brought to its knees.


He could try getting academics to provide articles for WP. But didn't he tell them all to fuck off, or something?
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QUOTE(lilburne @ Wed 20th July 2011, 7:51am) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 20th July 2011, 2:27pm) *

David Gerard assesses JSTOR as a "problem that needs dealing with", and he goes on to ponder ways by which the entire "proprietary journal system" could be brought to its knees.


He could try getting academics to provide articles for WP. But didn't he tell them all to fuck off, or something?

Yes, Gerard does indeed appear to be a "Compleat Idiot," inasmuch as there's no difference between a proprietary journal system and a proprietary any-sort-of-business. Proprietary=owner (that's what the Latin word means). All these "property=theft" advocates quickly understand the concept of "property" when it's THEIR stuff you're trying to take away from them. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif) One more example of hypocrisy.

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So. What can we do to help take out the proprietary journal system?


Well, Gerard, you can start an academic journal yourself. Of course, you'd have to pay some money in capital costs, even if it was an e-journal, and then actually do some work to get it up and going. And then, would not appreciate not getting paid by the people who read the papers you publish.

I wonder (not for the first time) what the hell it is that Gerard actually does for a living?

The problem with JSTOR is not that it charges money, but that it has too little competition and is overpriced. Somebody needs to pay for article quality-control and their upkeep on database/servers, and that should be the people who read and use the articles (if they are students, then somebody needs to pay these expenses for them as a deliberate society education-fee, not socialize them wholesale into the entire society, or (even worse) decide that the providers should be screwed by ripping them off).

Right now, JSTOR's market share for the journal-access-market, is rather like the early days of Microsoft and its PC OS market share, but without NEARLY as much reason to hold on to the market share of journal-access that it still has. So far as I can tell, it merely survives through a sort of founder effect complete with early cartelization, which prevents coalition of effective alternatives. Sort of like...... Wikipedia. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif) And there are many other parallels also, such as the salaries of the non-profit JSTOR officers, and that of WMF CEO Sue Gardner. Although JSTOR people apparently make more! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/happy.gif) Neener, Sue. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) .
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thekohser   Gerard takes on JSTOR  
thekohser   I wonder (not for the first time) what the hell i...  
Milton Roe   I wonder (not for the first time) what the hell ...  
Sololol   Too long has the world suffered under the tyranny ...  
Ottava   David Gerard assesses JSTOR as a "problem th...  
Text   More gleeful dancing on the skulls? :P  
dtobias   It's not actually the academics being opposed ...  
thekohser   ...academics don't actually get paid (in gene...  
Ottava   It's not actually the academics being opposed...  
Milton Roe   Look at the journal Nature vs some kid's blog...  
dtobias   I still think of the academic publishing industry ...  
Ottava   I still think of the academic publishing industry...  
radek   I still think of the academic publishing industr...  
Ottava   He's not saying the editors make money - usua...  
Milton Roe   [quote name='radek' post='280785' date='Thu 21st ...  
Ottava   The closest to scientific publishing Hollywood w...  
Milton Roe   I'm a tad confused as to why you think Academ...  
Ottava   There is money to be made at the high end, and E...  
SpiderAndWeb   Most academics I know publish copies of their pape...  
thekohser   Most academics I know publish copies of their pap...  
Detective   Would you be willing to go so far as to say David...  
Milton Roe   Most academics I know publish copies of their pap...  
Abd   Most academics I know publish copies of their pape...  
SpiderAndWeb   Most academics I know publish copies of their pa...  
Milton Roe   [quote name='Milton Roe' post='280808' date='Thu ...  
Ottava   u the numbers, more than you'll ever see in y...  
radek   Ugh, I got to respond to some of this. Don...  
radek   He's not saying the editors make money - usu...  
Ottava   It's probably true that most publishers don...  
radek   Does the Keats-Shelley journal appear on JSTOR? ...  
Ottava   Does the Keats-Shelley journal appear on JSTOR?...  
thekohser   Somey, it is obvious that Radek is trolling. Can ...  
The Joy   Somey, it is obvious that Radek is trolling. Can...  
Somey   [quote name='thekohser' post='280861' date='Fri 22...  
EricBarbour   So we can only hope that in this case, it's ju...  
Vigilant   Does the Keats-Shelley journal appear on JSTOR...  
Somey   ...These industries all have in common archaic bus...  
EricBarbour   :rolleyes:  
Ottava   Most journals in the humanities do not own the cop...  
Abd   DO NOT FEED THE OTTAVA  
NuclearWarfare   Abd, I just logged onto JSTOR from home, and I hav...  
radek   Abd, I just logged onto JSTOR from home, and I ha...  


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