Jayjg Walks, ... but to where? Options

[GoodFaith]

Jayjg reminded
2) Jayjg is reminded to avoid generating drama by making public proclamations of misbehavior before attempting private discussion and resolution of the issue.
Passed 7 to 0, 01:16, 18 July 2007

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...n/CharlotteWebb

[Somey]

Ahh, yes... Apparently the original plan was to send him a big chocolate cake, but they had a difficult time finding his street address on the internet.

Hey, do you think he'll actually remember?

[LamontStormstar]

Jayjg is high enough in the cabal to get away with murdering Jimbo Wales.

Even when they de-admin someone, all the bad things the admin did are left to stand.


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[Somey]

Jayjg is high enough in the cabal to get away with murdering Jimbo Wales.

Hmmm.... Maybe, but I doubt he'd do something that would carry such a high risk of exposure after the fact. After all, those ticker-tape parades do tend to reduce one's personal privacy a tad.

Even when they de-admin someone, all the bad things the admin did are left to stand.

Whaaaa...? Are you saying they won't give User:CharlotteWebb a new and "unprejudiced" shot at an RfA, in light of this severe draconian punishment they've mercilessly meted out to Jayjg?

Surely this cannot be? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

[GoodFaith]

Jayjg is high enough in the cabal to get away with murdering Jimbo Wales.

Hmmm.... Maybe, but I doubt he'd do something that would carry such a high risk of exposure after the fact. After all, those ticker-tape parades do tend to reduce one's personal privacy a tad.

I am happy they didn't try to institute a TOR-ban. Not that I use it or anything. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

[guy]

They don't have to ban TOR, just block all TOR proxies.

[everyking]

Well, he shouldn't be a checkuser, so that should have been taken away from him, but I think there's a list of reasons a mile long why he shouldn't be checkuser that make this reason look downright flimsy. It's worth noting that the ArbCom did nothing at all to help Charlotte edit again after someone blocked all her IPs, including the non-Tor ones, despite saying she was free to edit. But I can't blame them too much for that, because Raul had already offered to unblock her non-Tor IPs and she rejected that gesture (very foolishly, in my opinion--I advised her to accept it, but I think she's long since moved on to a new account).

[Poetlister]

I think she's long since moved on to a new account)

How does that help if the IPs are blocked?

[KamrynMatika]

I think she's long since moved on to a new account)

How does that help if the IPs are blocked?

she can always use new ips.

[Infoboy]

I think she's long since moved on to a new account)

How does that help if the IPs are blocked?

she can always use new ips.

Not always so easy.

[GlassBeadGame]

Gee, ArbCom completely Scootered Jayjg. CW should demand that the B/Ts address her request via the Ombudsman's Committee. She should insist that ArbCom has no authority to interpret the WMF Privacy Policy. It is worth noting that she did not initiate the ArbCom case but did initiate the Ombudsman process. It can not be argued that she waived any objection to ArbComs authority.

[gomi]

Not that I expected anything different from Arbcom (especially with Jayjg still on the Arbcom mailing list), but this just formalizes the embroidered "ABOVE THE LAW" merit badge that Jayjg wears. As noted, his mis-use of Checkuser is widespread, and he routinely checkuser's people who oppose him and SlimVirgin in content disputes.

Seriously, though, Jayjg is the single most abusive admin for whom we have no idea of a real identity. More works needs to be done here.

[LamontStormstar]

Not that I expected anything different from Arbcom (especially with Jayjg still on the Arbcom mailing list), but this just formalizes the embroidered "ABOVE THE LAW" merit badge that Jayjg wears. As noted, his mis-use of Checkuser is widespread, and he routinely checkuser's people who oppose him and SlimVirgin in content disputes.

Seriously, though, Jayjg is the single most abusive admin for whom we have no idea of a real identity. More works needs to be done here.

Do we even know Jayjg's location or IP address?

[Infoboy]

Not that I expected anything different from Arbcom (especially with Jayjg still on the Arbcom mailing list), but this just formalizes the embroidered "ABOVE THE LAW" merit badge that Jayjg wears. As noted, his mis-use of Checkuser is widespread, and he routinely checkuser's people who oppose him and SlimVirgin in content disputes.

Seriously, though, Jayjg is the single most abusive admin for whom we have no idea of a real identity. More works needs to be done here.

Do we even know Jayjg's location or IP address?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Granatstein ? Jew in Toronto.

[Somey]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Granatstein ? Jew in Toronto.

Victor_Frankenstein was a mad scientist in Geneva, but I don't know if he was Jewish. (Probably not...)

All this speculation on Jayjg's identity is a bit silly, really. I mean, sure, if he's got all these fancy powers and so on, then the proper thing for him to do would be to identify himself, so as to end the speculation. But what if it turns out he's exactly what he says he is? Wouldn't we be, like, really disappointed and stuff?

[GoodFaith]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Granatstein ? Jew in Toronto.

Naw, can't be. Granatstein has a mainstream media career. Why does he need Wikipedia? Also, Granatstein seems to be a neoconservative and the Slimites seem to be left-liberal or socialist. Of course, Granatstein would be 68 now, so maybe he trolls WP because he's a bitter old coot. Who knows?

[Somey]

Well, I've been spending literally months on this question of Jayjg's secret identity, following every possible lead, assembling a complex matrix of associations, links, and common characteristics... and I'm now convinced he's the guy in the photo here.

Am I right, or am I right? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

[GoodFaith]

Am I right, or am I right? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

I found him in Wikipedia Commons:
(IMG:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Unabomber-sketch.png)

[LamontStormstar]

Has Jayjg been to Wikimania? Perhaps there is a photo there.

[dtobias]

2) Jayjg is reminded to avoid generating drama by making public proclamations of misbehavior before attempting private discussion and resolution of the issue.
Passed 7 to 0, 01:16, 18 July 2007

What's interesting is how that ties in with various comments recently on wikien-l from those on the "clique" side, to the effect that "drama" is the most unspeakably evil thing that could happen on Wikipedia or its related forums and lists... it's supposed to be a dull, boring encyclopedia, after all. It provides the latest in the ever-changing array of justifications for suppressing so-called "attack sites"... now what's wrong with them is that they "generate drama". This ruling fits right in.

I can almost see the wheels turning in the minds of the cliqueistas... they've decided that it's politically necessary to give Jayjg at least a slap on the wrist... with a light feather, of course, since he's One Of Them and must not be seriously punished in any way, but there needs to at least be a slight hint that he might just have possibly conceivably done something that somebody might judge to be at least a little off. So they had to decide what "offense" to do this over. Not invasion of privacy, misuse of checkuser tools, unfair scuttling of an RfA... Ah... here's the thing: "generating drama". The beauty of it is that it creates a citable quote from ArbCom that might have utility in the future as a bludgeon by the clique against its enemies, like various past ArbCom rulings that have been treated as "policy" when it suits the needs of the clique. Now, whenever anybody expresses too many uppity opinions that the clique dislikes, and seems to be starting to rally some support, they'll be hit with "The ArbCom has determined that generating drama is against the policy and best interests of Wikipedia... so cut it out!"