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Wikipedia puts the ending of Agatha Christie's "The Mousetrap" on the play's article.... and the Christie heirs are pissed. The issue is discussed ad naseum by the usual cast of Wikipediots...Among the gems in the discussion : QUOTE It would seem best to me, in order to avoid controversy and still provide the requested information, to create a "Killer in Agatha Christie's 'The Mousetrap'" article, move the entire plot spoiler there and then reference it in the introduction to the article. In this way, the final wishes of the author are upheld (and a fundamental part of the play's structure) and Wikipedia gets to post everything just as before.--eleuthero (talk) 13:55, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
I disagree. We don't do that for other articles and we shouldn't do it for this one. If you don't want to know the plot, don't read the plot section of the article (or maybe don't read the article at all). --Two Bananas (talk) 14:55, 1 September 2010 (UTC) This would just be another form of spoiler, and would still be covered by WP:SPOILER. If a section called "Identity of the murderer" isn't enough of a clue to the reader that the identity of the murderer is about to be revealed, an article entitled "Killer in Agatha Christie's 'The Mousetrap'" presumably wouldn't help them much either (and could even be worse, if they got there from a Google search and the one-paragraph article got straight to the point). I'm not sure how hiding the ending behind a link would uphold Christie's final wishes any more closely - the Telegraph article suggests that her grandson considers it a "pity" when any reference work includes the plot in its entirety. --McGeddon (talk) 14:59, 1 September 2010 (UTC) Or they could just not include the spoiler in the article...
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QUOTE(dtobias @ Mon 20th September 2010, 7:36pm) It's part of the "geek mindset" (I know because I am one myself) that the abstract logical consistency of ideas and actions is of greater relevance than whatever real-world consequences the actions and ideas might have -- after all, the real world is messy, illogical, inconsistent, and full of annoying human beings, and hence is clearly inferior to the abstract logical plane.
I am informally quite Asperger (never diagnosed officially, but I score 35 at the AQ test (T-H-L-K-D), which is the average score for diagnosed Asperger/autism.) Can this help your theories on what's wrong with my mind? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif)
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QUOTE(Cyclopia @ Mon 20th September 2010, 11:50am) QUOTE(dtobias @ Mon 20th September 2010, 7:36pm) It's part of the "geek mindset" (I know because I am one myself) that the abstract logical consistency of ideas and actions is of greater relevance than whatever real-world consequences the actions and ideas might have -- after all, the real world is messy, illogical, inconsistent, and full of annoying human beings, and hence is clearly inferior to the abstract logical plane.
I am informally quite Asperger (never diagnosed officially, but I score 35 at the AQ test (T-H-L-K-D), which is the average score for diagnosed Asperger/autism.) Can this help your theories on what's wrong with my mind? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif) No, it was already quite apparent. But thanks.
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Mon 20th September 2010, 12:51pm) QUOTE(Cyclopia @ Mon 20th September 2010, 11:50am) QUOTE(dtobias @ Mon 20th September 2010, 7:36pm) It's part of the "geek mindset" (I know because I am one myself) that the abstract logical consistency of ideas and actions is of greater relevance than whatever real-world consequences the actions and ideas might have -- after all, the real world is messy, illogical, inconsistent, and full of annoying human beings, and hence is clearly inferior to the abstract logical plane.
I am informally quite Asperger (never diagnosed officially, but I score 35 at the AQ test (T-H-L-K-D), which is the average score for diagnosed Asperger/autism.) Can this help your theories on what's wrong with my mind? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif) No, it was already quite apparent. But thanks. Assuming that your self diagnosis is correct you seem to have a nominal identification of the problem without any insight whatsoever. If you are aware that you are subject to a cognitive deficit (or being a "syndrome" one or more of a number of possible deficits) and you have large remaining areas of intactness (obviously) why not moderate your position taking into account the impact of the deficit? Surely if you had no depth perception or balance you would make appropriate accommodations. But you (and WP collectively) pursue positions that impacts the lives of others without making any kind of adjustment. Self-diagnosed AS folks seem to ignore the disabling nature of the syndrome and want to regard it as some some kind of special ability. There are serious cognitive deficits even in the "mild" part of the continuum.
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Mon 20th September 2010, 8:52pm) QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Mon 20th September 2010, 12:51pm) QUOTE(Cyclopia @ Mon 20th September 2010, 11:50am) QUOTE(dtobias @ Mon 20th September 2010, 7:36pm) It's part of the "geek mindset" (I know because I am one myself) that the abstract logical consistency of ideas and actions is of greater relevance than whatever real-world consequences the actions and ideas might have -- after all, the real world is messy, illogical, inconsistent, and full of annoying human beings, and hence is clearly inferior to the abstract logical plane.
I am informally quite Asperger (never diagnosed officially, but I score 35 at the AQ test (T-H-L-K-D), which is the average score for diagnosed Asperger/autism.) Can this help your theories on what's wrong with my mind? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif) No, it was already quite apparent. But thanks. Assuming that your self diagnosis is correct you seem to have a nominal identification of the problem without any insight whatsoever. If you are aware that you are subject to a cognitive deficit (or being a "syndrome" one or more of a number of possible deficits) and you have large remaining areas of intactness (obviously) why not moderate your position taking into account the impact of the deficit? Surely if you had no depth perception or balance you would make appropriate accommodations. But you (and WP collectively) pursue positions that impacts the lives of others without making any kind of adjustment. Self-diagnosed AS folks seem to ignore the disabling nature of the syndrome and want to regard it as some some kind of special ability. There are serious cognitive deficits even in the "mild" part of the continuum. Rest assured that it is not a special ability. AS or whatever it is, it is pretty annoying. I am almost completely unable to deal in eye contact with people I am not completely acquainted with (and even in this case it is difficult) and it leads to a lot of "I didn't get that non verbal signal" awkward situations. (Now you can have your schadenfreude). QUOTE(HRIP7 @ Mon 20th September 2010, 8:53pm) QUOTE(Cyclopia @ Mon 20th September 2010, 12:04am) It's like buying a pint of hydrocloric acid, drinking it, then complaining it burned your throat. That's not the use it was supposed for.
Are you against warning labels on acid bottles, too? No. But what do you think of some adult person drinking, knowingly, hydrochoric acid? (Admittedly I knew a dude who was said he did regularly, in the Department of Chemistry. He diluted it to a non-dangerous concentration and used it to help his digestion. Don't know how true it is, but it was funny).
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Mon 20th September 2010, 9:08pm) QUOTE(Cyclopia @ Mon 20th September 2010, 1:00pm) No. But what do you think of some adult person drinking, knowingly, hydrochoric acid?
(Admittedly I knew a dude who was said he did regularly, in the Department of Chemistry. He diluted it to a non-dangerous concentration and used it to help his digestion. Don't know how true it is, but it was funny).
Could have been true if he diluted it 100 to 1. (From stock 10 M down to physiologic stomach 0.1 M). Still, I'd like to see his teeth after a few years of this. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) Yes, 0.1 M was the reported dilution.
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