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post Thu 2nd July 2009, 9:38pm
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Thu 2nd July 2009, 10:32pm) *
/]"European proxy caching cluster"[/url], apparently.

No problem then. Who the hell cares about those damned Europeans anyway?

BTW, where is Europe? Anywhere near Idaho?

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post Thu 2nd July 2009, 9:44pm
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QUOTE(Malleus @ Thu 2nd July 2009, 5:38pm) *

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/]"European proxy caching cluster"[/url], apparently.

No problem then. Who the hell cares about those damned Europeans anyway?

BTW, where is Europe? Anywhere near Idaho?


Idaho is a fine place, Malley Baby. We should set up a Wikipedia Meet-up at Couer d'Alene -- a great place to hang out and watch the bikini babes hit the lake. evilgrin.gif
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post Thu 2nd July 2009, 9:48pm
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If any Europeans are really desperate, going via the secure server still works fine.
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post Thu 2nd July 2009, 9:51pm
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Thu 2nd July 2009, 5:48pm) *

If any Europeans are really desperate, going via the secure server still works fine.

I'm apparently a European now. Is Europe anywhere near North Carolina? Wikipedia isn't working for me at all, so I'm having to use the secure server.

Actually, it just came up. But it was down for me for about an hour. First the Foundation's "We're sorry our shit's not working, give us money plz" message and then the standard time out page.
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post Thu 2nd July 2009, 9:55pm
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You're starting to see the true horror of keeping a major multi-colocated
database website up and going. It's like running LexisNexis, but on open-source
software and with no money and no hot backup. I'm amazed they don't have
major outages every day.
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post Thu 2nd July 2009, 10:08pm
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Thu 2nd July 2009, 10:32pm) *

"European proxy caching cluster", apparently.

If those servers are in England can someone sue WMF for their contents under English law?
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post Thu 2nd July 2009, 10:24pm
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QUOTE(sbrown @ Thu 2nd July 2009, 11:08pm) *

QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Thu 2nd July 2009, 10:32pm) *

"European proxy caching cluster", apparently.

If those servers are in England can someone sue WMF for their contents under English law?

They're not in England (the clue's in the "European") – they're in Holland. Good luck trying to convince the Dutch of the evils of pornography.
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post Thu 2nd July 2009, 10:34pm
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Amazing how ignorant your guys are about your favorite "encyclopedia".

Some of the servers are in Tampa, some are in Amsterdam, and some are in Seoul.

PS--the Wikitech hasn't been updated substantially in months/years, so there
are probably other servers elsewhere.

They use Squid. A lot. There's probably no practical way in hell to figure out where
a chunk of data is in a system like this at any given moment.
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post Thu 2nd July 2009, 10:42pm
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QUOTE(sbrown @ Thu 2nd July 2009, 10:08pm) *

QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Thu 2nd July 2009, 10:32pm) *

"European proxy caching cluster", apparently.

If those servers are in England can someone sue WMF for their contents under English law?

heh
Evoswitch helps us improve project access in Europe and beyond
June 22nd, 2009
Evoswitch has recently allowed the WMF free access to caching servers at their leading, 100% carbon neutral green data center in the Netherlands.

I don't think the WMF are using the servers in Seoul anymore.
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post Fri 3rd July 2009, 11:20am
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Thu 2nd July 2009, 11:24pm) *

They're not in England (the clue's in the "European") – they're in Holland. Good luck trying to convince the Dutch of the evils of pornography.

I was thinking more of libel and holding WMF responsible for whats on there (no sec 230).
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post Fri 3rd July 2009, 11:31am
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QUOTE(sbrown @ Fri 3rd July 2009, 12:20pm) *

QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Thu 2nd July 2009, 11:24pm) *

They're not in England (the clue's in the "European") – they're in Holland. Good luck trying to convince the Dutch of the evils of pornography.

I was thinking more of libel and holding WMF responsible for whats on there (no sec 230).

US based company, so will be immune from overseas libel judgements under the Free Speech Protection Act (assuming it passes) unless the content would also be libellous in the US, so we're back where we started.
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post Fri 3rd July 2009, 1:36pm
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Thu 2nd July 2009, 11:24pm) *

They're not in England (the clue's in the "European") – they're in Holland. Good luck trying to convince the Dutch of the evils of pornography.

And as far as copyright infringement goes, the People's Republic of Laos might be a good choice.
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post Thu 9th July 2009, 5:22am
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post Thu 30th July 2009, 12:10am
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slow as hell right now
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post Thu 30th July 2009, 12:13am
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slow as hell right now


Are you Emesee in disguise?
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post Fri 31st July 2009, 1:01pm
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QUOTE(Nerd @ Wed 29th July 2009, 8:13pm) *

QUOTE(Apathetic @ Thu 30th July 2009, 1:10am) *

slow as hell right now


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no, why do you say that?

down again! =\

http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikit...uly/044406.html
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Hello,

Due to a problem in one of our core routers in our Tampa cluster we need
to perform some network maintenance tomorrow, Friday July 31st around
12:00 UTC. We will be performing a software upgrade and reboot of the
router. This should not take more than a few minutes if everything goes
well. Unfortunately this means that practically all sites and services
will be down during that time.

For those interested: one of the line cards in the router failed earlier
this week. A replacement has arrived, but does not boot up correctly
after hot plugging. Because we want to upgrade the firmware anyway, we
will reboot the entire box.

Cheers,

--
Mark Bergsma
System & Network Administrator, Wikimedia Foundation


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post Fri 31st July 2009, 3:11pm
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Thu 2nd July 2009, 4:55pm) *
You're starting to see the true horror of keeping a major multi-colocated database website up and going. It's like running LexisNexis, but on open-source software and with no money and no hot backup. I'm amazed they don't have major outages every day.
Indeed, it's amazing that they stay up as much as they do, given the number of single points of failure there are in their architecture. To be fair, many of them are forced by their choice to use mysql as a backend database, instead of a more robust product like, say, Oracle.

The router downtime that was mentioned above should have been avoidable if they had a proper hot-spare environment. But that costs a bit more money, and spending money on that would cut down on the size of Jimmy's castle fund.

QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Thu 2nd July 2009, 5:34pm) *
They use Squid. A lot. There's probably no practical way in hell to figure out where a chunk of data is in a system like this at any given moment.
I think something like two-thirds of their servers are just Squid engines. MediaWiki is way too slow to generate all the pages that Wikimedia serves across all the projects in real time.

It constantly amuses me to hear PHP culties go on about how well PHP scales, citing Wikipedia as proof, when the reality is that PHP scales like crap and the WMF has to throw tons of hardware at their half-assed content engine just to keep up.
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post Sat 1st August 2009, 6:29am
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QUOTE(Apathetic @ Fri 31st July 2009, 2:01pm) *

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Are you Emesee in disguise?

no, why do you say that?

Im sure its nothing personal. Accusing people of being each other is a popular sport here. biggrin.gif
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post Sat 1st August 2009, 2:11pm
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QUOTE(sbrown @ Sat 1st August 2009, 2:29am) *

QUOTE(Apathetic @ Fri 31st July 2009, 2:01pm) *

QUOTE(Nerd @ Wed 29th July 2009, 8:13pm) *

Are you Emesee in disguise?

no, why do you say that?

Im sure its nothing personal. Accusing people of being each other is a popular sport here. biggrin.gif

yea, I made a silly mis-call a while back.
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post Tue 22nd September 2009, 9:38pm
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nvm

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