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post Sun 9th December 2012, 2:23am
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mis...erpage_proposal Here we go again!
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post Sun 9th December 2012, 3:57am
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Weird. Just weird.
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post Mon 10th December 2012, 3:46pm
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=525032938

The voting ends today.
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post Mon 10th December 2012, 8:09pm
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But in the end, does it really matter? It will just be more people who are there without any real reason running a community of people with no purpose editing an encyclopedia and playing the same old games as before. The problem is not who is in charge but the lack of a clear ethical standard based on what it means to be working on an encyclopedia.

As long as people are anonymous, children are favored over academics, and friendship takes priority over common sense, Wikipedia will always be a disaster.
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post Thu 13th December 2012, 11:26pm
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Any predictions beyond Wikipedia is totally screwed?
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post Fri 14th December 2012, 2:51am
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Thu 13th December 2012, 6:26pm) *

Any predictions beyond Wikipedia is totally screwed?


I know you and Geogre (T-C-L-K-R-D) were not the best of friends, but I find his 2008 view of Wikipedia insightful and prophetic.

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Well, Wikipedia, as a corporate entity of users, has worked consistently to establish hierarchies. The people who volunteer there find the idea that no one is in charge intolerable. They really hate it, and each thinks that, since no one is in charge (except Jimbo), he or she should be in charge. When Wikipedia died, it did not do so because it got too large, but rather because it got too small. Power developed, and people selected themselves for it. They wanted, desperately, passionately, to know where they stood in the ranks. They wanted to know who was above them and who below, and they wanted to know what it meant. It was important for each and every one of them, and therefore all of them had a seriously vested interest in making sure that there was a single point of power above them all, a CEO.

Source: http://litgeek-rambles.blogspot.com/2008/0...f-american.html


The Arbcom election does seem detrimental to Wikipedia's initial message of being a flat hierarchy with an egalitarian society. People wanting power (for good or ill, real or illusory) in a society that supposedly is all equal. All the titles of "administrator, bureaucrat, arbitrator, steward, etc." contradicts the flat hierarchy model. Yet, Wikipedians are confusing by demanding more power to the community and also pushing more and more cases and responsibilities to ArbCom. It's either complete anarchy or a social and technocratic oligarchy.

I would say it is screwed, if not because it's a schizophrenic community that does not know what it wants. ArbCom is constantly attacked by both extremes and endures overload and burnout. It can't win.

Edit: Change George to Geogre. Sorry, George! Thanks, Ottava!

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post Fri 14th December 2012, 3:21am
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QUOTE(The Joy @ Thu 13th December 2012, 9:51pm) *

QUOTE(Ottava @ Thu 13th December 2012, 6:26pm) *

Any predictions beyond Wikipedia is totally screwed?


I know you and George (T-C-L-K-R-D) were not the best of friends, but I find his 2008 view of Wikipedia insightful and prophetic.


I wasn't "friends" with Geogre (different spelling) mostly because he used socks and admin buddies to try an intimidate me into not improving the horrible Jonathan Swift articles because he decided to own them even though he lacked any formal studies in the matter while my graduate studies mentor was one of the premiere experts on Swift (and he, along with two others, wrote in letters to the Foundation stating that I was, indeed, correct on one of the key disputes whereas he really didn't know what he was talking about). He didn't like what I did with the Drapier's Letters page.

He was one of the worst offenders and surrounded himself with others who used socks to get ahead or to cause a lot of damage (Jack Merridew, SDJ).


Geogre was the worst of what Wikipedia has to offer - amateur child who has absolutely no background in a topic area yet takes over, relies on socks and abuse, and pushes whatever horrible, stupid view he can while abusing experts. If you look at the ArbCom-l leaks, you will see that the "G word" is dreaded in coming up because he was the exemplar of everything that was wrong with Wikipedia. His blog is filled with really stupid political ideology combined with baseless thought that makes it appear that he was a Philosophy 101 drop out who felt that he suddenly knew everything because he could drop a few names (while mangling anything the individual had to contribute).

The fact that he is still blogging only verifies that the trouble maker is still roaming around on Wikipedia, probably under a sock puppet name that is know by Giano, Bishonen, et al. Hey Giano, why did you ever team up with that imposter? You never once disowned him or admitted that he was a sorry excuse for a Wikipedian. I know you still read this site.

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post Fri 14th December 2012, 12:51pm
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Thu 13th December 2012, 6:26pm) *

Any predictions beyond Wikipedia is totally screwed?


Here's something of a prediction based on the opinions offered by the voter guides:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ACE2012_table_2.png

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post Fri 14th December 2012, 1:06pm
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Fri 14th December 2012, 3:21am) *

one of the premiere experts on Swift

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post Tue 18th December 2012, 7:36pm
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...er_2012#Results

The results are in. Newyorkbrad and David Fuchs are reelected. Former Arbitrators Carcharoth and Coren will return to ArbCom in January 2013. NuclearWarfare, Worm That Turned, Timotheus Canens, and Salvio giuliano are also elected.

Elen of the Roads and Jclemens fail in their bid for reelection. Elen's defeat can be blamed on her role in the recent leak, while Jclemens would've probably still had lost even if the leak hadn't occurred.

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post Tue 18th December 2012, 8:32pm
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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Tue 18th December 2012, 2:36pm) *

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...er_2012#Results

The results are in. Newyorkbrad and David Fuchs are reelected. Former Arbitrators Carcharoth and Coren will return to ArbCom in January 2013. NuclearWarfare, Worm That Turned, Timotheus Canens, and Salvio giuliano are also elected.

Elen of the Roads and Jclemens fail in their bid for reelection. Elen's defeat can be blamed on her role in the recent leak, while Jclemens would've probably still had lost even if the leak hadn't occurred.



NuclearWarfare replaces Elen and everything else is pretty much status quo.

I don't think Elen's defeat can be blamed on anything - she did rather well and only lost out because there were so many candidates.
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post Tue 18th December 2012, 11:35pm
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Tue 18th December 2012, 3:32pm) *

I don't think Elen's defeat can be blamed on anything - she did rather well and only lost out because there were so many candidates.


Yes, Elen would've probably had been reelected if a couple of the top nine candidates didn't run in the election, but I still believe that the leak was a major deciding factor in the election. Look at how the leak affected some of the voter guides:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=524175326 (Casliber -- from "unequivocal support" to "equivocal support")

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=525067308 (Ealdgyth -- from "support" to "neutral with caveat")

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=524894478, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=525357624 (Elonka -- from "support" to "undecided" to "strong oppose")

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=524368885 (Hahc21 -- "I still support her bid after the big email leak disaster.")

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=524916366 (Heimstern -- from "wait and see" to "neutral")

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=525194777 (Malerooster -- "oppose")

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=524977901 (Reaper_Eternal -- from "support" to "oppose")

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=524874776, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=524910136 (Rschen7754 -- from "support" to "HOLD" to "very strong oppose")

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=524909565, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=524943065 (Wizardman -- from "support" to "undecided" to "oppose")

Elen also had relatively few "no votes". Only Newyorkbrad has fewer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...er_2012#Results

I believe that this means that the vast majority of voters decided to "take a side" instead of being wishy-washy. What made them take a side instead of being wishy-washy? I believe that the leak was the cause. In my opinion, Elen would've had fifty to a hundred more "no votes" if the leak hadn't occurred.

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post Tue 18th December 2012, 11:55pm
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I don't understand the not taking a side when it is possible for you to vote for more than 10 candidates.

If they wanted a more realistic system, they should have it as a "vote for up to ____" number of people.
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post Fri 21st December 2012, 4:39pm
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=529128964:

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Having determined that they met all the criteria for appointment, including having already identified to the Foundation, and in accordance with our longstanding traditions and their performance in the election campaign, I hereby appoint Newyorkbrad, NuclearWarfare, Worm That Turned, Carcharoth, Timotheus Canens, Coren, Salvio giuliano, and David Fuchs to two-year terms beginning January 1st, 2013.


The results are now official, but more importantly, Mr. Wales has something special planned for January 2013:

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This is the moment when I normally post a bit of a "state of the union" address to the new ArbCom and to the community, but as of two days ago I came down with an awful cold and I'm not really in a position to write up my full thoughts right now. (It's really important and I want to get it just right.)

In short, I'm planning in January to submit to the community for a full project-wide vote a new charter further transitioning my powers. Because the changes I hope to make are substantial, I will seek endorsement from the wider community. (There are powers which I theoretically hold, but can't practically use without causing a lot of drama, but it is increasingly clear to me that we need those powers to be usable, which means transitioning them into a community-based model of constitutional change. One good example of this is the ongoing admin-appointment situation... a problem which I think most people agree needs to be solved, but for which our usual processes have proven ineffective for change. Some have asked me to simply use my reserve powers to appoint a bunch of admins - but I've declined on the view that this would cause a useless fight. Much better will be for us to put my traditional powers on a community-based footing so that we, as a community, can get out of "corner solutions" that aren't working for us. More to come in January.


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post Sat 22nd December 2012, 1:40pm
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When has drama ever stopped anyone from doing things on Wikipedia? They thrive on it there.

I must admit, I have no idea what (if anything) Jimbo means. If he's suggesting that he gives ArbCom or some new body powers to appoint admins without an RfA, that would certainly cause drama.

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The more power Jimbo gives the shitheads, the worse things will get. Let him keep as much power as he can.
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