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> Merridew again or a case of the AC waffles
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post Tue 28th June 2011, 11:02pm
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Subject: Re: [arbcom-l] Wikipedia and off site issues
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From: Private Private <wikipedianobody@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 19:58
To: arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org


Dear Arbitration Committee,

I received a note that Jack Merridew is still fixating on me both on and off Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dream_Focus#caution (in this discussion, Merridew apparently is watching my interactions with Dream Focus on Wikia and giving Dream Focus grief about it)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=371454428

In the above diff, Jack Merridew trash talks not only me, but also discusses White Cat.

Please note: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...ng_restrictions

specifically: "User:Jack Merridew agrees to completely avoid White Cat on Wikipedia English pages. No editing the same pages, no comments about White Cat by name or innuendo. No harassment of White Cat in other venues. This restriction will be interpreted in the broadest way with no allowance for any attempt to skirt the restriction in any manner."

What part of "no comments about White Cat by name or unnuendo" does commenting about White Cat allow? And yet there he is once again bringing up me and White Cat while getting into yet another dispute in which he is stalking yet another editor... How many editors does he get to stalk? How many arbcom things does he get to ignore?
Not to mention all the admin warnings he not comment on me either, such as:

He has already received a final warning from Fram:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=314696288 ("How about you don't ever comment on A Nobody again or get indefinitely blocked again? With your past, you have absolutely zero authority to suggest that someone else is "extremely disruptive" and "primarily responsible for creating the polarized I/D schism". You have been warned before to stay away from A Nobody. Consider this a last warning.")


And more recently NewYorkBrad said at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=331466151 "I would also emphasize that Jack Merridew should make a concerted effort to avoid unnecessary interaction with other editors with whom he has been in repeated conflict, not only White Cat, and should avoid any actions that could give a reasonable appearance of wikihounding such editors, whether or not that is his intent."



Again, Franamax proposed he avoid me at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...e#Move_to_close and so did Hobit at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...eep_it_simple...



I don't believe I have ever before on Wikipedia seen so many people warn someone to avoid someone else and for that editor to keep after him anyway and to do so in such an aggressive manner.


Dream Focus has it right, his and his enablers' harassment both on and off wiki is what drove me off of Wikipedia. That he has the audacity to still trash talk me and harangue those who work with me elsewhere despite the above warnings is appalling. That despite being banned from even mentioning White Cat, he is doing so anyway, and now that he is hounding someone new without being blocked is downright disgraceful.

Indeed, looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=367373109 please consider such comments from neutral editors as

"Wildhartlivie cannot edit anywhere without Jack following behind trying to dehumanize and demean her for whatever personal grudge he has on her. His spitefulness has been noted many times, even by administrators... but nothing ever happens and he's free to follow WHL to the next page and rinse and repeat the same bullshit. Sickening."

"Seriously, I'll be the first to say I tend to like Jack, but these two have a seriously unhealthy focus on one another."

"Jack you know you've been following Wildhartlivie around. You showed up at many articles and conversations that you could have only gone to at the same time as WHL by using her contributions. The behaviors of Jack at WP:ACTOR shows the type of treatment he gives. He knows exactly what buttons to push on WHL to get her to respond in kind, and unfortunately she takes the bait way too often."

And you can see more of the disruption at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fen...d.23Filmography

I am beyon baffled that:

1. Despite being thoroughly warned to leave me alone and without me even editing Wikipedia anymore, he is not only still throwing in digs about me, but giving my friends a hard time while revealing he is watching me elsewhere.

2. Despite being banned from even mentioning White Cat following years of harassment, he still is mentioning him by name and in a slamming way.

3. Despite several neutral editors noting that Jack is indeed following Wildhartlivie around and that his doing so is "sickening" among other things, he is still doing just that.

How on Earth can Wikipedia tolerate this any longer? Three editors he has stalked with dozens of warnings to leave each of us alone, and yet it just keeps going on and on.

And he still makes a joke about being a sockpuppet in his signature: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=371318014 (there were a few ANI threads saying if he does that again, he'll be blocked. Not sure how being a sockpuppet account created to evade a ban and used to harass someone is 'funny').

Why would anyone even protect him at this time with such immature edit summaries: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=370768798

Sincerely,

A Nobody

“What one man can do, another can do.”
-Charles Morse in The Edge by David Marnet


From: Private Private <wikipedianobody@yahoo.com>
To: arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 1:48:15 PM
Subject: Re: Wikipedia and off site issues


To whom it may concern,



I have temporarily reactivated my email (apparently Yahoo lets you do that) and am sending the following evidence to any interested parties as for the past month or so, I have been practically non-stop harassed across multiple wikis and have been playing whack a mole trying to stop whoever is behind it. As my Wikipedia accounts are blocked with their passwords scrambled and as ANI is protected from Ips, I am unable to bring this to light on Wikipedia. I am therefore sending it to whoever’s email addresses I have so that the community is aware of the truth of what has been going on. As you will see in the below diffs, the attacks range from vandalizing articles on wikis I edit to commentary about killing my dogs!



A host of accounts have been attacking me at [

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=26622].


Below are some specific IP and sockpuppet account harassment of me on at least three wikis:



*From AniMate: [http://annex.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:A_Nobody&diff=270635&oldid=269265], [http://annex.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:A_Nobody&diff=270636&oldid=270635]



*From

A nobody doesn't like me: [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=60946&oldid=60672], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:A_nobody_doesn%27t_like_me&diff=60956&oldid=60937], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:A_nobody_doesn%27t_like_me&diff=60957&oldid=60956], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:A_nobody_doesn%27t_like_me&diff=60958&oldid=60957], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:A_nobody_doesn%27t_like_me&diff=60940&oldid=60938], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:A_nobody_doesn%27t_like_me&diff=60941&oldid=60940], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:A_nobody_doesn%27t_like_me&diff=60962&oldid=60941], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:A_nobody_doesn%27t_like_me&diff=60963&oldid=60962], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:A_nobody_doesn%27t_like_me&diff=60964&oldid=60963], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Blocked_for_no_reason&diff=prev&oldid=60936], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Blocked_for_no_reason&diff=60939&oldid=60936], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_blog_comment:A_nobody_doesn%27t_like_me/this_is_the_dumbest_wiki_I_have_ever_seen/A_nobody_doesn%27t_like_me-20100413070153&diff=prev&oldid=60950], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_blog:A_nobody_doesn%27t_like_me/this_is_the_dumbest_wiki_I_have_ever_seen&diff=prev&oldid=60948], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=Cuisine_and_Restaurant_Types&diff=60942&oldid=8299], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=Cooking_Fats_and_Oils&diff=60943&oldid=8259], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=Beautiful,_Attractive,_or_Well-Formed&diff=60944&oldid=7863], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=Instruments,_Viol_or_Violin&diff=60945&oldid=8881], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=Religious_Attire&diff=60947&oldid=10348], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=Actresses_who_played_Catwoman&diff=60951&oldid=50310], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=Actresses_who_played_Catwoman&diff=60952&oldid=60951], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=Actresses_who_played_Catwoman&diff=60953&oldid=60952], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=List_of_non-existent_countries&diff=60954&oldid=45715], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=List_of_non-existent_countries&diff=60955&oldid=60954], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=Football_Plays_and_Calls&diff=60959&oldid=8587], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=List_of_hospitals_in_Indonesia&diff=60960&oldid=39360], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=List_of_hospitals_in_Indonesia&diff=60961&oldid=60960], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=List_of_giant_animals_in_fiction&diff=60965&oldid=46856]


*From

Bannedwpuser: [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Bannedwpuser&diff=prev&oldid=66618], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Bannedwpuser&diff=66620&oldid=66619]


*From Fram: [http://homeandaway.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:A_Nobody/Deletion_discussions&diff=5241&oldid=5240]



*From

24.233.122.222: [http://annex.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:A_Nobody&diff=270639&oldid=270636]


*From

70.232.42.89: [http://annex.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:A_Nobody&diff=269263&oldid=230623]


*From

76.170.244.178: [http://annex.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:A_Nobody&diff=276909&oldid=274460], [http://annex.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:A_Nobody&diff=276911&oldid=276909], [http://annex.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:A_Nobody/Inclusion_guidelines&diff=286242&oldid=267963], [http://list.wikia.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=67954&oldid=67859], [http://pinball.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:A_Nobody&diff=6851&oldid=5348], [http://pinball.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:A_Nobody&diff=6852&oldid=6851]


*From

78.34.232.74: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Protonk&diff=362875955&oldid=362807154]


*From

84.44.254.108: [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rlevse&diff=1976183&oldid=1976176], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Protonk&diff=362784314&oldid=352008728], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Protonk&diff=362792437&oldid=362785650], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Protonk&diff=362805771&oldid=362799090], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bsadowski1&diff=prev&oldid=362781682]


*From

87.79.142.126: [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rlevse&diff=1977587&oldid=1977564], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rlevse&diff=1977594&oldid=1977587]


*From

87.79.177.195: [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:A_Nobody&oldid=1976448]


You will note that by contrast, I have not been using Ips or bogus accounts to harass whoever is behind these on Wikipedia, Wikipedia Review, etc. Moreover, you can see that these attacks span Wikipedia, Wikia, the Meta Wiki and Wikipedia Review. The above is what those who have been “criticizing” me on Wikipedia have been doing in the meanwhile elsewhere. The above is why I would not denigrate myself to engage with such immature and vicious people in arbcom, because again, you won’t find me threatening to kill other people’s pets as they have done to me, just as you won’t find me vandalizing Wikipedia articles as they have been doing to articles on wikis I still edit. Please seriously compare what the above accounts and Ips have been done with the six edits I made last month and the three to only one AfD for which someone explicitly requested my participation. Hopefully, you will understand, why then I have no interest in subjecting myself to anything from these people on Wikipedia. Considering the viciousness of these individuals and there willingness to follow me around to Wikia, the Meta Wiki, Wikipedia Review, you can hopefully understand and appreciate why I am not comfortable continuing on Wikipedia as any of my past accounts. I wish I still had some of the swear word laden emails they sent as well, because the above is just the surface of what these people have really been up to...



Sincerely,



A Nobody



P.S. You have my permission to post the above diffs wherever relevant on Wikipedia.


“What one man can do, another can do.”
-Charles Morse in The Edge by David Marnet


From: Private Private <wikipedianobody@yahoo.com>
To: arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 12:33:05 AM
Subject: Wikipedia and off site issues

Dear arbitration committee,

I recently made one edit to Wikipedia in defense of the editor who has been most supportive of me: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=353799220

The above is the ONLY edit I have made since retiring from editing Wikipedia last March and as I state explicitly within that post, it is a one time post as I do not intend to make follow up posts. I am not unretiring, I am not "back." It is a final thank you to someone who helped me on many occasions. I have sent emails to various members of the committee today acknowledging as much, although I have not yet received any replies, which I suppose shouldn't be a surprise given the holiday.

As I indicate in the emails, my health has indeed been improving and something that I have actually found to be rather therapeutic these past weeks is transwikiying articles to the Annex Wiki on which I am an admin. While I have retired from editing Wikipedia, I do take a leisurely few minutes a day to add some content to Wikia.

I just blocked an IP on that Wiki that posted an antagonistic screed on my talk page that I have deleted: http://annex.wikia.com/index.php?title=Spe...%3A70.232.42.89

The post read: "I'm just so thankful that despite your dire illness that you still were able to edit here. I can't imagine why people thought you were lying about it over on Wikipedia. Some foolhardy folks don't understand why you are able to edit here when you're too sick to edit wikipedia. Surely you're not a bad person too afraid to accept criticism. Surely you have enough morals to stand behind the edits you made and not hide behind an imaginary sickness. To the people who think that, I must point out that there are illnesses that <i>only</i> affect editing wikipedia. Clearly you're a good person and should be proud and the type of morality and character that you're displaying."

Number one, I stopped editing Wikipedia for a variety of reasons, not any one specific reason, and as for being sick I even posted an image confirming that I do indeed have diverticulitis (an admin since deleted it). While I have had various hospitals visits in March, I have fortunately been able to avoid being admitted for any extended period while I recovered quite rapidly these past few weeks. But despite this recovery, I still am not comfortable returning to Wikipedia and have just been more productive and happy in my real life without worrying about it. And there is a big difference between transwikiying some articles and going back in forth in Wikipedia related discussions.

Now, I bring the above to your attention, because one of the secondary reasons for my leaving Wikipedia was due to harassment/hounding by certain specific other accounts on Wikipedia. And sure enough the above listed IP's comments off site follow this comment from Bali ultimate on site: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=353799588

"Hey a nobody: I'm glad that all that editing on wikia reduced the kidney mass down enough to bring you back to the big leagues! I can stop lighting candles now! Praises be to god!"

I indeed stopped editing Wikipedia, because 1) the stress was not helping me and 2) I have no interest in dealing with accounts like Bali ultimate who would actually follow me off site even. Now, Bali ultimate who was blocked a few months back for incivility is back at it today and blowing off any admin warnings that he restrain himself.

Recent warnings to Bali ultimate:



1. From Black Kite: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=353791618



2. From Okip:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=353233595


3. From Gladys j cortez:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=353802703


Bali responded to the above admin warnings by saying “f u”: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=353819758



And similarly ignoring of them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=353843034


Or even responding with even more attacks:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=353792165


And rewriting other editors’ comments: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=353843466


If that is not bad enough, I also seem to be being attacked on Wikipedia by Jack Merridew once again who is also following me on the Annex based on his commentary, a site that he mockingly refers to as a "non-encyclopedia": http://annex.wikia.com/index.php?title=Mai...ev&oldid=268121

He has already received a final warning from Fram:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=314696288 ("How about you don't ever comment on A Nobody again or get indefinitely blocked again? With your past, you have absolutely zero authority to suggest that someone else is "extremely disruptive" and "primarily responsible for creating the polarized I/D schism". You have been warned before to stay away from A Nobody. Consider this a last warning.")


And more recently NewYorkBrad said at

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=331466151 "I would also emphasize that Jack Merridew should make a concerted effort to avoid unnecessary interaction with other editors with whom he has been in repeated conflict, not only White Cat, and should avoid any actions that could give a reasonable appearance of wikihounding such editors, whether or not that is his intent."


Again, Franamax proposed he avoid me at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...e#Move_to_close and so did Hobit at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...eep_it_simple...

How can I or anyone possibly feel comfortable editing on Wikipedia when those antagonizing me are actually ignoring multiple admin warnings to both leave me alone and act civil and then show up on Wikia and Wikipedia Review alike attacking me? See also http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=26622



These two accounts (and a few others, notably Reyk, Tarc, Kww, etc.) have been badgering me for months now and it seems are trying to now even take it off site. I realize the committe cannot do anything about the off site stuff, but I do want you to be aware of what is going on and why I have retired and made only one final edit in support of a friendly editor. And I think some of their behavior even on site is indeed becoming increasingly actionable and just further revealing and confirming how intense their fixation on me actually is. They don't want to just screw with me on Wikipedia, but on Wikipedia Review and even Wikia if possible. It is not enough to force me to retire on Wikipedia not just because of my health, but out of disgust with some of these accounts, they want to make sure they can follow me whereever I go and all the while immaturely tossing around insults at me and any admin who would even challenge them.



Telling an admin to f herself: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=353843034



Commenting on other editors' genitals: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=344500918

and



http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=347431371



Calling whole groups of editors "slackjawed retards": http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showt...63&#entry216863



Etc. All speak for themselves. The above is what "criticizes" me on Wikipedia and their fanaticism is appalling on Wikipedia alone. That they start to take it to Wikia, Wikipedia Review, is how it starts and why I want no part of it. Why I would never participate in any Rfc or Arbcom about me and why I am not comfortable returning.



Thank you for your time and understanding. Happy Easter to any of you who celebrate it!



Sincerely,



A Nobody



“What one man can do, another can do.”
-Charles Morse in The Edge by David Marnet




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From: David Yellope <dyellope.wiki@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 02:51
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He doesn't want to deal with his own behavior here, but report others. I suggest we silently drop this message in the bit bucket.

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From: Carcharoth <carcharothwp@googlemail.com>
Date: Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 06:24
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If we could stop some other people from reporting (or even mentioning)
others, that would improve things a lot! I haven't looked at the
diffs, but I do think that now he is banned, people really shouldn't
be mentioning A Nobody on-wiki any more (and certainly there should be
no need to mention wikia any more). Are any of those diffs current? If
so, I would suggest a private word telling them that their comments
are being watched and if they want A Nobody to disengage, they should
stop mentioning him (I will have to try not to mention him either!).

But have you actually *read* the thread we were pointed to?
Jack comes across there as creepy: "Choose your own path, as we all do."

And read the diff here:
He does mention White Cat and A Nobody (and Amorrow for some strange
reason). I can't remember exactly whether all restrictions were
lifted, and the White Cat mention is less concerning that the approach
to Dream Focus.

If you need someone else to report this, rather than a banned user,
I'm happy to do so.

It should also be clear if people actually follow this closely, that
Jack is on a campaign to clear out what *he* perceives as "toxic
elements" from Wikipedia. Recall what FloNight said when the motion at
the end of the one-year unban was discussed:

"The current conflict involving JM center around contentious areas of
Wikipedia and are best resolved in a comprehensive case with all
editors on equal footing. I propose amending the sanctions as above.
FloNight ♥♥♥♥ 14:37, 10 December 2009 (UTC) "

There was no such case, and instead things have turned around
completely, with several of Jack's "opponents" (on content matters)
shooting themselves in the foot and getting banned or leaving, so no
such case with "all editors on equal footing" is possible.

Carcharoth

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From: Carcharoth <carcharothwp@googlemail.com>
Date: Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 08:27
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Given this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Joh...ruling_question

Would anyone object if I pointed John at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dream_Focus#caution

And asked him to talk to Jack about that?

Carcharoth

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From: Steve Smith <stevethearbitrator@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:28
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No, that seems like the right course of action to me. A Nobody's
opponents have (effectively) won; they could stand to be somewhat more
gracious in victory.

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From: Randy Everette <rlevse@cox.net>
Date: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 06:00
Subject: [arbcom-l] Jack Merridew and article writing
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>


Jack Merridew (real name David) has now asked me about writing articles. I didn’t even recall he was under writing restrictions at one time. I’m okay with him writing articles. Thoughts? Thread below.



R



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(in this one WC is White Cat, from whom he was prohibited from interacting with):

I'm concerned that Brad really sees the whole WC thing as about me going after WC for lulz. No; WC was problematic big-time and I went outside the rules because people like Tony Sidaway were protecting a flagrant POV pusher. Same with A Nobody, only his issues were different. I don't want to open these cans of worms, again, though. I've been glean for well over two years, now, and I really think it's time. The Moby restrictions are four years old.

See this redlink:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...=edit&redlink=1
by this author:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Milton#Non-fiction
I have this book; read it. How about I be allowed to start an article about it?
Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Paradise-Lost-Smyrna...80102879&sr=8-1
books.google:
http://books.google.com/books?id=-d_kWsG2y...epage&q&f=false


Cheers,

David

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what in your restrictions stops you from writing articles?

R

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...ertain_articles



Moby Dick banned from certain articles

1) Moby Dick is banned from editing articles which concern Turkey or Kurdish issues.

Passed 8 to 0 22:00, 13 August 2006 (UTC)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...projectspace.3F

Yes, the ambiguous term "article" is to cover all namespaces. Sam Korn (smoddy) 22:34, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Agreed per Sam. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, he needs to just leave the subject alone. Fred Bauder 13:44, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


I asked about this in emails and at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...y_Jack_Merridew

Please noted that;

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Moby Dick#Moby Dick banned from certain articles

remains in effect; this has been discussed in emails and should be a part of this.

Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

And no one ever said it was lifted. I've had some talk with John, more than a year ago, and he said be careful.

Maybe I'm being too cautious; the ambient view could simply be that this is ancient and buried under the more recent motions. Seems this is out of everyone's mind but mine... Restrictions suck; they make you hesitant and concerned about a misstep. I see vandalism in some of the Turkish and Kurdish articles and often let it go because I don't want White Cat suddenly perking up with a collection of diffs. I've emailed John a few times with stuff I've seen and he's gone in and edited. Most of what I did in the Turkish and Kurdish articles was pretty reasonable, although I certainly knew it would provoke WC's bigoted POV.

And I do want all the restrictions lifted. In December there was some talk of a four month further timeframe, and it's been seven. I don't want to have another huge review in December 2010, going over *everything* yet again. How about a simple statement that my restrictions are all lifted? Is there really a reason to have them at this point? I've hooked up with all sorts of new folks since mentorship was lifted. I've got lots of friends and supporters and think an RfA could succeed if the past were fully buried. As it is, I see the potential for folks saying "No, since he's under AC restrictions." I'd also like most of my old accounts unblocked so that I can lose the damn sock-boxes on them. I'd not edit with them, much, just have them do their own user pages, and make a few comments, once in a while. Everything would be clearly identified and acknowledged.

Sincerely,

David

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Subject: [arbcom-l] Gold Hat is into military history, too
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From: Jack Merridew <wiki.jack.merridew@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 23:55
To: Roger Davies <roger.davies.wiki@gmail.com>
Cc: Michelle Kinney <shell.kinney@gmail.com>, John Vandenberg <jayvdb@gmail.com>, Larry Pieniazek <lar@miltontrainworks.com>, Cas Liber <casliber01@yahoo.com>


Hello, Roger.

Below is a copy of my initial note to Shell; this is to save time; mine. I'm mostly focused on family issues; see the note.

I've used a different subject line in part to help me, and you, keep threads distinct. While I've not edited much re military history, I was *the* kid in my middle school that was reading every WWII book on offer; played the 70s era wargames by SPI. Most people, well, English speaking people, do not realize that the Nazi/Soviet front amounts to 3/4 of the world's total warfare. I knew a man during the eighties who flew the Me-262. In combat.

I'm a software guy, have been since I got a high school job washing coffee cups, and helping a local computer store (70s, again;) develop apps for local businesses.

When my mom got divorced, she got involved in local theatre, which piqued my interest and I've done a huge amount of theatre since the early 80s. I've seen all the serious pieces, done lighting on many serious productions, done extensive set work, lived with the author of a Pulitzer Prize winning play (the ghostwriter, not the prize winner). So, I often make theatrical allusions. See Les Mis, if you've not. nb: in my post of the youtube links, John Vandenberg would be in the role of the The Bishop of Digne:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_Myriel

although I never stole anything from him; he bought my soul for wiki. I have given him my word that I will never sock again; I've made the same promise to Larry, too. So, it's not the restrictions that I'm following, it's the promises that truly bind me. If I retire, I will be gone for good. I'd point my page at Rootology's parting essay, or refer to in a {{delete}} my user page edit summary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=302107545

I'm about to give up on the whole wiki concept. If I'm to remain in any way restricted after *years* of appropriately seeking a return by the front door, I'll call bullshite on the whole notion of there actually being a road back. This is what nearly happened last year:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...f_previous_year
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=327788427
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=328041111

I am concerned that this clarification will turn into a zoo such as last year's 282 kilobyte mess:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...ew/mentors_page

As with my thread with Shell, you're free, even encouraged, to pass this around to the rest of the committee.

Sincerely,

David Johnson
p.s. <redacted>, if anyone want to talk.


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Subject: Copy of your message to Shell Kinney: Gold Hat loves cats, too
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 04:38:54 +0000
From: Jack Merridew <wiki.jack.merridew@gmail.com>
To: Jack Merridew <wiki.jack.merridew@gmail.com>
Hi, Shell.

I like to say that when I was banned, I went "UP"; up to a higher level of WMF, out to the other projects. The alternative was to go away or to go sock, again. It work, is what got me back. All of this is ancient history. I've been on the right road for longer than most users. I've been on these project for over six years, now. I'm an admin on Wikisource, and was the user Londoneye emailed identifying himself as Longfellow; I flipped that email to: John Vandenberg, Billinghurst (Andrew), Alison Cassidy, FT2 (Paul;), Sydney Poore, Larry Pieniazek, Cas Liber, and Hesperian (Drew). Ottava only thinks he was the only one contacted. This mess is all over Wikisource and Meta...

I'd have included you, if I knew you, but I don't. So, Hi, my name is David Johnson. <redacted>; this was disclosed to a lot of folks; all the CUs, by Larry.

I am in <redacted> attending to my dying mother; this has been a years long process that has its roots in Bali, 6 years ago. John, Cas, Randy, Larry, and Sydney know all about this.

John's advice to the "Jack as the Beast" thread was to give the committee time to settle in and get by the hoards of people seeking an audience with the new committee; guess not.

Feel free to share this with the rest of the committee; especially the noobs wink.gif

Cheers,

David

P.S. While in Bali, I lived here:
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Forwarded email from Jack Merridew. I've not responded.

Roger

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afaics, nobody has responded.

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Doesn't seem to require a response, other than perhaps 'Hi Jack, sorry to hear about your mother'
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Subject: [arbcom-l] Request for amendment by Jack Merridew
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From: Elen of the Roads <elenoftheroads@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 15:21
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...:_Jack_Merridew

I have doc9871's permission to forward their two emails on the subject, which are below

I like Jack, but I didn't know him back in the day, so I'm not sure if any of the below indicates a problem. I'm not aware of who the hounded editor is, or the circumstances around it. I have noticed one or two editors get very righteous around Jack.

I'm not sure I understand how he has two functioning sock accounts when he is constrained to edit with only one. I'm not sure I'm fully satisfied with his answers either to me or to Casliber.

This concerns me - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...s_Jerome_Newton - Muzemike did block Thomas Jerome Newton from editing its userpage due to abuse, just a few days ago. I can't say that's promising.

He has recently (last few days) asked for unblock of Diyarbakir and Moby Dick - would that be concerning to anyone?





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That's fine - forward away! Thanks for getting back to me! I was also unsatisfied with his answers to yours and Casliber's questions: he's been here longer than you? So what? A typical Jack response IMHO: "I've been here longer so I'm more important than you and I can do what I want". It's worth noting that socks like Wayang kulit have absolutely no purpose whatsoever - just look at the contributions. Makes four innocuous edits to his user pages, then comes back nearly a year later after zero further edits to say, "Ha ha! It's me!" Why? It's disruptive with Jack and his strange love of sockpuppets and he should not be encouraged by giving him free reign. His attempts to paint an "Us vs Them" picture of Wikipedia and put himself in as a prime mover is poisonous, IMHO. Thomas Jerome Newton is still blocked indefinitely, I see: this should be noted in the thread, I think. Well, thanks again, and feel free to forward the e-mail (this one too if you like). Cheers, Elen :>


On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Elen of the Roads <elenoftheroads@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Doc,

I am a friend of his (onwiki) but that doesn't mean he gets a free pass. Those three accounts did bother me - he's only supposed to have one, and I can't see why he needs any more. Do you mind if I fwd this info to the rest of the Arbs - some of them will be aware already, but possibly not all, especially as some won't know Jack from when he got the restrictions. I can take your name out and just fwd the info if you prefer.


Elen of the Roads



On 21 February 2011 03:14, Doc9871 <doc9871@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Elen of the Roads! Since "Jack" and I have a history of clashing with each other, I will refrain (for now at least) from commenting on his request and send this off-wiki. You said he had three accounts (Jack Merridew, Gold Hat and Merridew), but it's at least four. You should know that the account "Thomas Jerome Newton" was blocked indefinitely today by MuZemike, and there are two declined unblock requests that Jack effectively hid when redirecting the userpages of all his "accounts". See (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diyarbakir&diff=next&oldid=414905655) and (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Moby_Dick&diff=next&oldid=414901348). He's been using the other accounts quite openly for some time (esp. Gold Hat), so he's already decided the restrictions are over. I find it in extremely poor taste that someone with Jack's history is doing this, and I personally see no good reason for allowing him to have these growing number of accounts. Keep in mind that as open as Jack is about his multiple accounts now, Moby Dick denied being Davenbelle SIX times before abandoning the account and then coming back later to say "Ha ha! It was me all along". If anyone should not be allowed to "stretch" the alternate account policy it is Mr. Merridew.

If you don't respond I'll understand, and I believe you're a wiki-friend of Jack's and if my points are taken from such a perspective I also understand. Jack's a valuable code expert, and I don't wish him any ill will. I just wish he'd drop the "holier-than-thou" and "I can get away with this because I'm special" attitude. I watched him hound a wiki-friend of mine right off the wiki, so I know how the "wiki-friend" thing goes. I'll be watching, and I may chime in (though I'll likely be accused of "trolling" - so I probably won't). Thanks for listening, and Cheers :>

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From: Xeno <xenowiki@gmail.com>
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I really wish Jack would stop coming at the issue sideways; but in some sense, it is the restrictions themselves causing friction.

If they are lifted, this whole "global sock drawer" mystique/personna will hopefully go up in smoke.

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Subject: [arbcom-l] Jack Merridew/Gold Hat Redux
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From: Elen of the Roads <elenoftheroads@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 15:58
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Jack is now editing as Gold Hat, which is fine as far as I'm concerned, but which has generated yet another abortive SPI, more complaints about socking etc etc. We really need to go back to the original request for amendment and finish voting on it regardless, or do something else to make it clear to the community whether Gold Hat is acceptable or not.

Personally, despite reservations, I would have allowed him to go forward to create other accounts provided they were all fully badged as alternates, as it is the abuse of multiple accounts that is the problem, not the existence of multiple accounts. Other views may vary, but we have left this in limbo. It's not a cleanstart, it's not labelled as Jack Merridew (you have to know) and it is causing concern to both friends and enemas.

Can we be a bit crisper with this, less cornish fudge-y

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I don't mind his editing as Gold Hat. I do mind some of his behavior
as Gold Hat.

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Subject: [arbcom-l] Jack Merridew
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From: Risker <risker.wp@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 01:52
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=338432390

Just for everyone's information.

Risker/Anne

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From: Cas Liber <casliber01@yahoo.com>
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Err - right, so the intrapsychic benefit gained from playing around with more than one persona trumps the obligation (to the benefit of others) to be honest and edit from a single account.
fascinating.
Cas

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Subject: [arbcom-l] More absurdity, this time Jack Merridew and Gimmetoo
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From: Newyorkbrad <newyorkbrad@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, May 1, 2011 at 18:50
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adm..._125.162.150.88

Life is really too short for this sort of thing, but it's probably going to wind up on our laps sooner or later, so does anyone think we should wade in sooner rather than later?

Newyorkbrad

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From: Elen of the Roads <elenoftheroads@gmail.com>
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For what it's worth, Jack's not the only one who has had exactly the same trouble with Gimme breaking tables so they won't work for anyone if they don't work in antiquated Safari - RexxS and RossRs have as well, and Baseball Bugs has, and I have. Which is a fair X section of wikipedia-types.

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I've commented on this before; this is less absurd than meets the eye.

This is another example where Jack has pushed through a templated software solution to something that wasn't really a problem to begin with, and then has insisted on applying it all over the place. The first time this was discussed, Gimmetoo was abnormally inarticulate in describing the actual problems involved, and Jack refused to discuss his changes, just kept reverting them back. Turns out that Jack's solution doesn't work particularly well in a fairly common browser version (WMF practice is that software should be compliant with all browsers that are used by more than 0.5% of our population, and that older browsers /must/ continue to be supported up to that point because they tend to be used by users with fewer financial resources). As well, there were problems with compatibility with the mobile software, although I don't think that ever got discussed on ANI.

(Gimmetoo isn't as popular as the entire force of FAC who came out to rant about Jack's attempts to force a complete change in the manner in which reference templates are used in the project. )

In any case, the former Jack is now behaving pointedly all over the place while editing as an IP, in an attempt to thumb his nose at Arbcom for failing to allow him to have as many socks as he wants.

Why exactly did we let him back again? He's been involved in an abnormally large number of contentious issues since his return. Has he done some good stuff too?

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No, the conversation I was involved in, he was resisting any and all changes, not just Jack's. RexxS's account is pretty much exactly as I remember it. When I ran for Arb, I had Gimme practically sobbing on my talkpage about the incident - he's either one of these people who just cannot ever explain what they mean (although usually that's a spoken not a written problem), or for some reason he's completely burned out over this bloody table code.


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I don't think Gimmetoo ever really recovered after he was blocked as a "sock" of himself. It was one of the most bad faith blocks I've ever seen, and it was largely driven by personality rather than any reasonable analysis of the situation. Jack was involved in that too.

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It most manifestly was not. Gimme's complete refusal to log in and verify that the sock was him was what caused the problem, not anything anyone else did.


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If this turns into a case, I'll have to recuse as I was involved in a dispute with him at [[List of Cults]], which led me to oppose his RfA.

For what's it worth, I don't buy into the explanation that he has only recently started acted strangely - his behaviour in 2006/2007 was more than a little off.

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Elen, he was at an insecure location when editing, in a country where his ability to "administer" Wikipedia could be used as a political weapon.
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Subject: [arbcom-l] Motions to resolve the Jack Merridew impasse
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From: Newyorkbrad <newyorkbrad@gmail.com>
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Under the request for clarification, I've proposed two alternative motions, intended to resolve the current Barong/Jack Merridew impasse. We need to do something about it, as administrators are completely befuddled about what we expect from them at this point. Comments, votes, and alternative proposals are welcome.

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I see that Barong has stated that neither motion is acceptable to him, and requested that a motion be added just saying that all restrictions are lifted with no other comments. I have no intention of adding that motion, but anyone else can if they wish.

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Frankly, I don't particularly care what he finds acceptable or not anymore. I've added an auto-expiring alternative like the one we used to fix the Everyking mess and gave preferential support for that. If we're lucky, he'll whine less with that one.

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I can add the motion and then oppose it, but I'm not sure it would be particularly useful to do so; it would I assume be unanimously opposed, and the pile-on would just encourage those baiting him to up their efforts, and those supporting him to vent against The Cabal.

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From: Kirill Lokshin <kirill.lokshin@gmail.com>
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I've proposed a motion to that effect. Quite frankly, John is correct in his comment; this is becoming another Everyking case, with attendant time wasted and lack of benefit to anyone involved. Let's let Jack run along and play; he'll be easily disposed of if he actually does anything more acutely disruptive than the typical Bishonen-style idiocy.

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I've given second-choice support to Kirill's motion and third-choice support to Coren's, and I've noted on my talkpage a copyedit that help improve mine.

I have the feeling that Kirill and Iridescent have reversed roles in this thread, but I digress.

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With those people who have a history of disruption but clearly have something useful to bring if their problems can be curbed, I support giving them any possible benefit of the doubt.

With those who want an excuse to settle old scores and to goof around on the drama boards with Roux and Baseball Bugs, not so much.

I'm willing to be swayed, but I'm singularly unconvinced that we're not just creating Mattisse 2.0 here. I can see no valid reason for him to be operating multiple accounts simultaneously; "other people do it" is to me an argument that we should be firmer on those other people, not softer on him.

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From: Iridescent Wikipedia <iridescentwiki@yahoo.co.uk>Sent: Wed, 11 May, 2011 16:26:39



Screw it. What's sauce for the Ottava is sauce for the Jack; I'm 75% certain that he'll flare out within a fortnight, but let the guy have the chance to prove us wrong.

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Subject: [arbcom-l] A fifth motion posted re:Jack Merridew
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From: David Yellope <dyellope.wiki@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, May 12, 2011 at 15:07
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Sorry to make everyone go back and vote AGAIN re Jack Merridew, but I've posted a fifth motion that basically says: that Should Barong violate his restrictions again, any uninvolved admin may block at their discretion.

All four previous motions are either going down with a majority of opposes, or are one oppose vote away from going down, so I think we should endorse the status quo, and tell the admins that if he strays off the beaten path again, that it's ok to take whatever action deemed necessary,

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From: Risker <risker.wp@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, May 12, 2011 at 15:26
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I'll vote on this late tonight. TBH, since the restriction has (rather pointedly, Jack would say) never been lifted, admins should have felt free to block at any point. It's hard to do so, though, with a relatively popular and supremely confident editor.

Risker/Anne

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From: David Yellope <dyellope.wiki@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, May 13, 2011 at 06:39
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Well, I want to make it clear and upfront, why the motion.. Unfortunately his behavior seems to be spiraling downhill. Anyone know anyone who can talk him off the ledge?

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From: Iridescent Wikipedia <iridescentwiki@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Fri, May 13, 2011 at 09:18
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IIRC Carcharoth got on quite well with him, but I think is currently on vacation. Most of his other buddies would just pour more gasoline on the fire—Bishonen could probably calm him down, but I very much doubt she wants to get any more involved in this mess.

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Subject: Re: [arbcom-l] A fifth motion posted re:Jack Merridew

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From: Cas Liber <casliber01@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, May 13, 2011 at 09:57
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I've tried in the past - he knows best so it's impossible that anyone can suggest he's in error.

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From: David Yellope <dyellope.wiki@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, May 15, 2011 at 02:28
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And Barong is now indefblocked after he pulled the "Deliberately compromise my account" bit at the Clarification request and on his talk page. Get ready for the socks...

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From: David Fuchs <dfuchs.wiki@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, May 15, 2011 at 10:01
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Don't you love it how these guys hoist their own petards? Saves us from trying to forge compromises and proves how they wouldn't have been good contributors.
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From: Cool Hand Luke <User.CoolHandLuke@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, May 20, 2011 at 14:12
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God forbid we compromise.

Incidentally, shouldn't we be archiving this... or something?

Frank

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From: Newyorkbrad <newyorkbrad@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, May 20, 2011 at 14:30
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Well, the original compromise idea was my motion 1, back when this started. Sigh.

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From: Newyorkbrad <newyorkbrad@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, May 23, 2011 at 09:28
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Okay, the five motions are sitting there indefinitely in a state of paralysis ... what are we going to do with them?

Newyorkbrad

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From: David Fuchs <dfuchs.wiki@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, May 23, 2011 at 09:55
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Since it's entirely moot, table them?

The Merridew issue will crop back up in all likelihood but maybe when it does we'll have a more unified stance? (If wishes were horses...)

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From: Xeno <xenowiki@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:59
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So... motion 5 is basically the status quo. And we asked clerks to pass it four days ago but none of them seem to be acting on the instruction.

And Jack is already willfully violating the status quo - editing quite obviously from IPs - and no one (none of us, no administrator) seems to be stepping forward to enforce it.

So is there a point to keeping the restrictions in place? He's making us look rather ineffectual and, quite frankly, impotent (which is probably one of his goals at this point).

See also https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w...id=432401541#ok

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From: David Yellope <dyellope.wiki@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 14:46
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Yes, there is, it'd be ridiculous to back off now. Point me at his IP's and I'll block them.



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From: Iridescent Wikipedia <iridescentwiki@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 15:01
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Currently User:110.139.190.67 – I'm not sure blocking would be anything other than symbolic, since the IP seems to change every couple of days.

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From: David Yellope <dyellope.wiki@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 16:56
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Hopefully once a clerk posts the damn motion, we can nudge admins to start taking care of things.

(Me? Grumpy, hell yes.. spent most of the last day or so replacing a power supply and recovering my computer)

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From: Xeno <xenowiki@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 19:09
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FYI , User:Timotheus Canens enforced it on the two IPs and it's created a minor stir at the 125.xxx page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:125...50.88#June_2011

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Subject: [arbcom-l] Jack Merridew
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From: Newyorkbrad <newyorkbrad@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 14:28
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I see that after a couple of arbitrators indicated they would oppose his request for removal of the remaining restrictions, Jack Merridew has withdrawn his request and appears to be leaving Wikipedia. Noted, without much comment at this time.

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From: John Vandenberg <jayvdb@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 21:03
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He is also leaving all other projects, inc. req desysop on en.ws.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Request_for...40en.wikisource

He threw a similar tantrum during the last arbcom review of his situation.

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From: Elen of the Roads <elenoftheroads@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 19:26
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=415783122

I had to say it I'm afraid.

Elen of the Roads

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From: John Vandenberg <jayvdb@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 19:37
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that arb discussion was archived, so you are 'too late'.

I've moved your comment to a new section.

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From: Elen of the Roads <elenoftheroads@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 19:51
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Sorry I missed it....

Elen of the Roads

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From: Marc A. Pelletier <marc@uberbox.org>
Date: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 20:40
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On the substantive point, I think you're failing to see that it's
entirely possible (and consistent) to grudgingly tolerate mild
misconduct when enforcing it would be more troublesome than worth it and
not taking said misconduct into account when the time to reevaluate
sanctions comes around.

I.e., in this case, Jack has consistently and repeatedly flaunted what
little restriction he was under. He *knew* it was disruptive, yet he
persisted. He is either unwilling or unable to follow simple rules, and
certainly should not be rewarded for this.

-- Coren / Marc

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From: Elen of the Roads <elenoftheroads@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 20:43
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I think you're missing the way people think.....because Jack thunk pretty much how I said he thunk.

Do you have kids? He's behaving exactly like a kid at this point.




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From: Marc A. Pelletier <marc@uberbox.org>
Date: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 20:46
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Err, that would be exactly my point.

Wikipedia is not kindergarten. We don't have to bend over to
accommodate editors unable to behave like adults. We're certainly not
going to lift a mild restriction if he's not even able to act with a
modicum of maturity long enough to request it being lifted.

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From: Elen of the Roads <elenoftheroads@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 20:52
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Not my point. By not being consistent in the way we treated him, Jack (who does act like a big kid - all those different characters...) doesn't know what to expect. Hence the snit.

We could have avoided this (I think) by either taking action when he first created new socks, or by agreeing to allow the new socks under rules - ie by revising the restriction ourself.

As it is, we've given him the impression that we are no longer bothered with the sanction, then appear to have suddenly decided its important after all.

Reading what you and Risker wrote, I'm still not clear whether he's done something that warrants enforcement, or whether we would be prepared to tolerate the new socks. That's not a helpful state to leave it in.



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From: Kirill Lokshin <kirill.lokshin@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 20:59
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I don't find this to be a convincing argument; failure to enforce a rule in a particular instance does not suddenly mean that the rule itself is null and void, particularly when the rule has been quite explicitly stated.

Consider, for example, a speeding motorist claiming that he had always exceeded the speed limit before, and had never been cited for it; would you consider that to be a sufficient excuse for his actions?

Kirill

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From: Elen of the Roads <elenoftheroads@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 21:06
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No, not if he had never been stopped. However, in Jack's case, a request for action to be taken because of his sock accounts was raised, and declined with the argument that while it was a technical violation, it was in practice harmless and therefore not a problem. He was not told to shut the sock accounts down.

If the cops stop me, then tell me that it's only a technical violation, they no it's harmless so no-one is going to bother to write out a citation, I am going to be a little surprised when the next time it comes up, they give me a ticket.


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From: Michelle Kinney <shell.kinney@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 21:35
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I think this is the point here - we just said that the socks were okay
even if they were a technical violation now suddenly (at least it
likely appears that way) we've reversed that opinion and are dinging
him for the socks.

Shell

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From: Elen of the Roads <elenoftheroads@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 21:40
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Yes, that's exactly it.

Elen of the Roads

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From: Elen of the Roads <elenoftheroads@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 21:47
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In fact, I'm reminded that Xeno usurped the Merridew name for Jack to use for one of his sock accounts.....


Elen of the Roads

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From: Cas Liber <casliber01@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 21:49
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I think you mean "flouted" his restrictions....possibly by "flaunting" his socks
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From: Cas Liber <casliber01@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 21:58
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thing is Elen, there is also the matter of what he's being pardoned from - he
gets angry and bears grudges for a /long/ time. He has wikihounded editors and
made jibes from afar over long periods. The socks also are symbolic of the
protracted use over some years. I do wonder - if they are so important that he
can't let go of them while under close scrutiny and on (you'd think) Best
Behaviour, what happens if/when he becomes an admin or some time down the track
when the scrutiny is off. This is not someone who is maturing - he is already in
his mid forties or older so his personality is pretty set. I mean he's clearly
very bright and has alot to offer but many times I feel really uneasy about the
behaviour.

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From: Marc A. Pelletier <marc@uberbox.org>
Date: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 22:02
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Erm, yes. So I do.

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From: Elen of the Roads <elenoftheroads@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 22:10
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I'm not saying he should be "pardoned". I'm just talking about the specific restriction on socks


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From: Newyorkbrad <newyorkbrad@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 08:46
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Playful or ancient socks were not at the thrust of this case to me; they certainly wouldn't have stopped me from voting to lift restrictions if I concluded that was otherwise warranted. (I hadn't finished reviewing the request when it was withdrawn, so I don't know how I would have come out.)

What always frustrated me about Jack Merridew was that he never did explain why the heck he thought it was so desirable to torture Cool Cat/White Cat for so long. It was a multi-year pattern of wikistalking and harassment. That is probably historical at this point (it long predated the loosening of restrictions so we all got past it at some point), but it was still not a good thing, and JM never really accepted that that was the reason he was under greater scrutiny than other editors.

Newyorkbrad

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AC's achieved a swapsie — White Cat is *back* wink.gif

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AC's achieved a swapsie — White Cat is *back* wink.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/White_Cat


I'd hardly call it an achievement by AC. White Cat came out of his "extended wikibreak" primarily because of the witchhunters who arbitrarily deemed him the same person as SilentBlues/VanishedUser99. (Who, by the way, after the White Cat accusation was blown out of the sky, is now being accused of being "Access Denied".)
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