Unimportant Decision 2010 Options

[A Horse With No Name]

Actually, I might have stood. But a) I'd get hammered again...

Hey, that's Chris Cunnigham's shtick! What kind of a Scottish comedian are you? Get your own jokes!

Harej is hare-brained.

Rumor has it that Orlady and Harej are planning to run together:



This post has been edited by A Horse With No Name: Fri 19th November 2010, 6:51pm

[CharlotteWebb]

Harej is hare-brained. I met him at Wiki-meetup NYC 2009, and he's just a teenager. Not mature enough for ArbCom duty.

[BelovedFox]

Harej is hare-brained. I met him at Wiki-meetup NYC 2009, and he's just a teenager. Not mature enough for ArbCom duty.

I met him at a meetup too, and I wasn't exactly blown away by his maturity, either, but his answers to the questions suggest that provided he keeps an even temperament he's got a good head.

[taiwopanfob]

I met him at a meetup too, and I wasn't exactly blown away by his maturity, either, but his answers to the questions suggest that provided he keeps an even temperament he's got a good head.

If he is immature, then he is unfit for duty regardless of the alleged quality of his head. I'd say that in the absence of a large body of other evidence, anyone under the age of about 35-40 is unfit for this job.

[Cla68]

I met him at a meetup too, and I wasn't exactly blown away by his maturity, either, but his answers to the questions suggest that provided he keeps an even temperament he's got a good head.

If he is immature, then he is unfit for duty regardless of the alleged quality of his head. I'd say that in the absence of a large body of other evidence, anyone under the age of about 35-40 is unfit for this job.

Who cares if he is mature enough for the job? It the WMF cared, they would be paying the Arbcom a salary and interviewing prospective arbitrators. All that matters is that the 18-year-old+ is willing and able to make some tough decisions and back them up with some socratic reasoning. Anyway, I thought MessedRocker had abandoned Wikipedia (based on a post here) and pursued other interests? He's still addicted to Wikipedia drama?

[Kelly Martin]

Anyway, I thought MessedRocker had abandoned Wikipedia (based on a post here) and pursued other interests? He's still addicted to Wikipedia drama?

Wikidrama is very addictive, as everyone who reads and posts here well knows.

[victim of censorship]

I have seriously considered loaning out my account to anyone who wants to use it for some Christmas fun.

In my thinking, "Christmas fun" involving Wikipedia would not involve "hijinks" on a WP server.

I daresay that "Christmas fun" would be more along the lines of belting David Gerard or Tony Sidaway in the mouth with a Yule log.
Now, that's entertainment.

I'm up for some "xmas fun"...

[Shalom]

Harej is hare-brained. I met him at Wiki-meetup NYC 2009, and he's just a teenager. Not mature enough for ArbCom duty.

You really like trolling me, don't you. I get a kick out of trashing decent folks like harej for no reason, but seriously, why do you need to respond with an ad hominem attack against me? Surely you could just as easily pile on harej, or on anyone...it's all the same to you, troll.

[A Horse With No Name]

Harej is hare-brained. I met him at Wiki-meetup NYC 2009, and he's just a teenager. Not mature enough for ArbCom duty.

You really like trolling me, don't you. I get a kick out of trashing decent folks like harej for no reason, but seriously, why do you need to respond with an ad hominem attack against me? Surely you could just as easily pile on harej, or on anyone...it's all the same to you, troll.

Hey, don't you go talkin' to my woman that way!

[BelovedFox]

At least the field's getting more interesting now. Actually have more candidates that slots

EDIT: And Giano's doing his best to make it about him somehow... :\

This post has been edited by BelovedFox: Mon 22nd November 2010, 2:42pm

[Cla68]

At least the field's getting more interesting now. Actually have more candidates that slots

EDIT: And Giano's doing his best to make it about him somehow... :\

And I really hope he gets elected. The ArbCom could really use someone like him.

[radek]

We seem to have at least 2, if not 3 pairs of editors in the running, one of whom has blocked the other (I'm not sure if any of these folks have blocked Giano previously).

The HI Mitchell (blocker) and Off2riorob (blockee) pair is noteworthy in that HJ M's block of Off was so blatantly bad. Does anyone see anything even barely resembling a legal threat here. Looks like a clear cut case of "I'm gonna block you cuz you disagree with me". Note the block was quickly reversed by Avraham, yet Off2riorob's still catching crap for having it on his record.

Who would you rather have ArbCommittatin' you? Someone who's got a block on their record, or someone who's got a record of making bad blocks?

We've also got a couple candidates who've only recently got adminned.

[Doc glasgow]

With a few notable exceptions, the field is limited and terrible.

Unless several more run, or Jimbo appoints 6 or less, whichever way you look you've got loose canons and unstable people on arbcom. It is a recipe for drama. Whatever you might say about the Committee - over the last few years it has been solid, and dependable (if a little unimaginative), there's no way that continues now.

I'm almost tempt to run, just to increase the field of unsuitable candidates. Kelly couldn't have put a better leat of candidates together. Now all we need is Tony and Phil Sandifer.

[SB_Johnny]

I'm almost tempt to run, just to increase the field of unsuitable candidates. Kelly couldn't have put a better leat of candidates together. Now all we need is Tony and Phil Sandifer.

Just jump in and top agonizing about it.

[radek]

With a few notable exceptions, the field is limited and terrible.

Unless several more run, or Jimbo appoints 6 or less, whichever way you look you've got loose canons and unstable people on arbcom. It is a recipe for drama. Whatever you might say about the Committee - over the last few years it has been solid, and dependable (if a little unimaginative), there's no way that continues now.

I'm almost tempt to run, just to increase the field of unsuitable candidates. Kelly couldn't have put a better leat of candidates together. Now all we need is Tony and Phil Sandifer.

What you do is convexify. Vote for a few of the ol' reliables like Brad, Casliber and Shell (all three of them are basically good arbs though all three share the same fault of wishy-washiness) but mix it up by throwing a couple of the loose cannons in there. Shake well and pour over ice cubes.

[Kelly Martin]

When I was on ArbCom we talked about expanding it, or possibly establishing delegated tribunals to prehear matters to "spread the load". The problem we kept running into is that there weren't enough qualified, sane, stable people available to staff either an expanded arbcom or a system of delegate tribunals. That problem hasn't gotten any better, and if anything has gotten worse.

There probably are 18 people in Wikipedia who are capable and qualified to serve on the ArbCom, but all of them have enough sense to run away from service in that role. The ArbCom you get, as a result, is a bunch of powerseekers, social manipulators, and other miscellaneous malfunctioners that is guaranteed to do no good.

All the more reason to revive my old "jury duty" proposal. Better to let a dozen randomly selected individuals, some fraction of which will have some sense, decide such matters, instead of a dozen and a half who have been selected entirely for their ability to kiss Jimbo's ass.

[powercorrupts]

When I was on ArbCom we talked about expanding it, or possibly establishing delegated tribunals to prehear matters to "spread the load". The problem we kept running into is that there weren't enough qualified, sane, stable people available to staff either an expanded arbcom or a system of delegate tribunals. That problem hasn't gotten any better, and if anything has gotten worse.

There probably are 18 people in Wikipedia who are capable and qualified to serve on the ArbCom, but all of them have enough sense to run away from service in that role. The ArbCom you get, as a result, is a bunch of powerseekers, social manipulators, and other miscellaneous malfunctioners that is guaranteed to do no good.

All the more reason to revive my old "jury duty" proposal. Better to let a dozen randomly selected individuals, some fraction of which will have some sense, decide such matters, instead of a dozen and a half who have been selected entirely for their ability to kiss Jimbo's ass.

Would you supply a neutral advocacy also? Help keep the shit from flying around?

[Kelly Martin]

Would you supply a neutral advocacy also? Help keep the shit from flying around?

What do you mean by a "neutral advocacy"? A caste of lawyer-wannabees that run about interposing themselves into disputes because they want to pretend to be lawyers for people who don't want them? We had that on Wikipedia in 2004 and 2005; it mainly served to increase drama.

Most disputes in Wikipedia, and all dispute that reach the level of ArbCom, involve at least one, and typically more than one, persons who have no interest in reaching an amicable settlement with whoever they're in conflict with. "Neutral advocates" are not going to help.

[Doc glasgow]

I'm almost tempt to run, just to increase the field of unsuitable candidates. Kelly couldn't have put a better leat of candidates together. Now all we need is Tony and Phil Sandifer.

Just jump in and top agonizing about it.

I am not agonising. I am not, and never was, running.

[BelovedFox]

With a few notable exceptions, the field is limited and terrible.

Unless several more run, or Jimbo appoints 6 or less, whichever way you look you've got loose canons and unstable people on arbcom. It is a recipe for drama. Whatever you might say about the Committee - over the last few years it has been solid, and dependable (if a little unimaginative), there's no way that continues now.

I'm almost tempt to run, just to increase the field of unsuitable candidates. Kelly couldn't have put a better leat of candidates together. Now all we need is Tony and Phil Sandifer.

I'd say the 2007 ArbCom was a fairly big shakeup as well, so I don't entirely subscribe to your notion that this one will be the status-quo breaker (although I'll agree to your summation of a less-than-optimal menu of choices.) I'd be curious which six you consider not fitting the "loose cannon" and "unstable people"