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Posted by: Herschelkrustofsky
Will Beback has initiated a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Herschelkrustofsky Has this ever happened before? Note that I am not perma-banned, only blocked for one year.
Posted by: blissyu2
Will Beback has initiated a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Herschelkrustofsky Has this ever happened before? Note that I am not perma-banned, only blocked for one year.
Yes it has. The Request for Arbitration on Internodeuser was started purely based on an effort to delete my userpage. Though somehow that changed in to a 1 year ban, thanks to the beauty of the Arb Com.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Internodeuser#Confirmation_that_other_steps_in_dispute_resolution_have_been_tried
Posted by: sgrayban
That's just spitefull and only meant to kick you while your down. Basically its a childish action on his part.
Posted by: Skyring
Will Beback has initiated a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Herschelkrustofsky Has this ever happened before? Note that I am not perma-banned, only blocked for one year.
Add Calton to my list of incivil admins. If he talked to people face to face the way he does on WP, he'd not have a tooth left in his head.
Posted by: sgrayban
Childern and teenagers act like this when they want to feel big and god-like. IRL they are the ones that are beat up in school and there lunch money taken then shoved into a locker because they are smart mouth to the wrong people.
In any case this is very counter-productive when they scream we are hatefull and stalkers and they pull kiddie stunts like this and expect anyone to to be calm and productive.
WikiLove should be practiced as well as written Jimmy.
Posted by: Herschelkrustofsky
Add Calton to my list of incivil admins.
Calton is an admin?
Posted by: blissyu2
Carlton is the admin. Missed an "r".
Hmm for some reason I can't get the link to the Internodeuser Arb Com case to work as a link.
Posted by: Herschelkrustofsky
Carlton is the admin. Missed an "r".
No, it seems to be Calton. No User:Carlton exists.
I think that Will Beback may be experiencing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_anxiety now that SlimVirgin has left.
Posted by: Skyring
Add Calton to my list of incivil admins.
Posted by: everyking
Calton is definitely the most uncivil user I've ever encountered on WP. I remember trying about 10 different ways of mollifying him (after he leapt unprovoked into an argument in which he had no actual interest in the content in dispute), nudging him toward constructive and reasonable comment, all of which were met by the same vicious insults and sarcasm. Finally I just said "This is pointless; I'm not communicating with you anymore", but he continued with the sniping anyway.
And no, he's definitely not an admin. I don't think anybody on the entire project would vote for him.
Posted by: Donny
Calton is definitely the most uncivil user I've ever encountered on WP. I remember trying about 10 different ways of mollifying him (after he leapt unprovoked into an argument in which he had no actual interest in the content in dispute), nudging him toward constructive and reasonable comment, all of which were met by the same vicious insults and sarcasm. Finally I just said "This is pointless; I'm not communicating with you anymore", but he continued with the sniping anyway.
And no, he's definitely not an admin. I don't think anybody on the entire project would vote for him.
Just remembered from those discussions about SlimVirgin and nekama, I met Calton on the articles for deletion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Don_Tacos
I wouldn't go as far as to say I strongly disliked him, but he certainly seemed to be argumentative and unpleasant.
Posted by: blissyu2
I'll quote his comments there:
Of course, in quoting all of this (from the same AFD), that is pretty typical behaviour from people in AFDs. He is harassing others, insulting others, being arrogant and sarcastic, but that's pretty much how everyone behaves in AFDs. AFDs are the cesspool of Wikipedia, where personal attacks and insults are not only permitted, they are encouraged.
Posted by: Herschelkrustofsky
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Herschelkrustofsky is getting interesting. Maybe the entire cabal will weigh in, arguing for my deletion. Will SlimVirgin come out of faux retirement to join the fray? And who is KleenupKrew? I like the cut of his/her jib.
Posted by: Donny
AFDs are the cesspool of Wikipedia, where personal attacks and insults are not only permitted, they are encouraged.
Yea, coming back to the "troll" discussion, a lot of people on AfD are people I would identify as "trolls" based on the Usenet definition. I mean they're basically there trying to piss other people off, they're not doing anything useful, just pointless arguing about whether or not to delete some article which they've got nothing to do with, and know nothing about, and that they don't really give a fuck about anyway. If the article wasn't deleted it wouldn't affect them. There are a million articles in Wikipedia and they couldn't read all of them if they spent the rest of their lives reading it, and yet they cruise around the articles for deletion gabbing on about how something or other is XXX-cruft or some such bullshit and has to be deleted from Wikipedia or else everyone will suffer enormously.
Coimmon sense tells you they are just trolling.
Posted by: Donny
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Herschelkrustofsky is getting interesting. Maybe the entire cabal will weigh in, arguing for my deletion. Will SlimVirgin come out of faux retirement to join the fray? And who is KleenupKrew? I like the cut of his/her jib.
There are 12 keeps and only 4 deletes, so it looks like the page will be kept at the moment. It seems to be harmless enough to me.
Posted by: everyking
Even with a majority it won't necessarily be kept. Recently there have been several notorious incidents in which AfD-kept articles were deleted by IAR admins.
Posted by: sgrayban
Its amazing how criticism is viewed as an attack by hardline admin, like Jayjg, and then viewed as valid criticism, even if its unpopular, by everyone else.
I just can't understand the hardline admin there. Deleting criticism of any kind just doesn't make it disappear from the internet. Deleting criticism of any form from WP only establishes a foundation for places like this forum, bloggers & the media.
The solution would be to discuss the criticism in a calm fashion and fix what is wrong or make some compromises. The criticism would disappear after time if done this way. This would be the logical way to avoid a all out flame war between WP, Jimmy Wales and his admin for years to come. Right?
WP has discussions for nearly everything but criticism. Make one and ask for valid criticism and possible solutions. The idea is to make everyone a friend of WP not make enemies.
Posted by: blissyu2
Criticism is usually hated. Restaurant critics are hated by most restaurants - except for the few times when they give them praise. People queue up just to get "not quite as bad" criticism from professional critics. On movies, restaurants, books, whatever, criticism, at least by professionals, is usually very harsh.
Of course amateur criticism often includes a lot of sucking up, and some people pass themselves off as critics but they are really just offering free advertisement. There was a big investigation here in Australia in relation to this, with the "Cash for Comments" inquiry featuring Don Lane, that was about that kind of thing.
So why then does Wikipedia insist that criticism has to be positive? Are they stupid? Criticism should be negative, because that's what its all about. What they list as criticism on their site is for the most part not true criticism at all. Its amateurs who are sucking up to them. True critics will occasionally acknowledge good things, and they should cling to those good things like gold, because the rest will be attacks.
And we have here written nice things about Wikipedia too. Lots of people have. But Wikipedia is so used to butt kissing that they don't recognise true critics when they see them.
Posted by: Ashibaka
This debate is because I restored HK's long political message and left a note on the admin's noticeboard as a courtesy (I knew if SlimVirgin were around she would have reverted me again). I assume Will Beback has some sort of reason he wants it to go away but he isn't just doing this at random.
Posted by: Herschelkrustofsky
I assume Will Beback has some sort of reason he wants it to go away but he isn't just doing this at random.
SlimVirgin and Will Beback have jointly harassed me for most of my time at Wikipedia. I have publicly identified myself with LaRouche, and they both are obsessed with making Wikipedia the preeminent anti-LaRouche site on the internet. Will Beback tends to lose his normal composure over this issue, as you can see at the discussion on the deletion page. He seems to have allowed himself to get caught in a bit of a fib.
Posted by: Herschelkrustofsky
Will Beback has initiated a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Herschelkrustofsky
The excitement is mounting. SlimVirgin has now emerged to vote for deletion. Will Beback wants to also blank my talk page. Grace Note, on the other hand, has voted to keep, saying "I think now you guys have had him banned, you could end your war."
Posted by: Selina
You have more of a userpage than me 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mistress_Selina_Kyle?action=history
Dmcdevit is a total asshole..
Posted by: sgrayban
I hope they put my userpage and talk up for delete -- I have been begging for it to be deleted since I was banned. But I was always told no.
User:Sgrayban (T-H-L-K-D) PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DELETE ME !!!!!
All I want is that BIG ASS "YOUR BANNED INDEF" signpost 
I love that..... Its soooooo cool
Posted by: Donny
I hope they put my userpage and talk up for delete -- I have been begging for it to be deleted since I was banned. But I was always told no.
User:Sgrayban (T-H-L-K-D) PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DELETE ME !!!!!
All I want is that BIG ASS "YOUR BANNED INDEF" signpost
I love that..... Its soooooo coolIf you seriously want it deleted then post some of the information from Daniel Brandt's hive mind page on it. That is the reason that my user page was deleted.
Your talk page actually doesn't look so bad. It makes Wikipedia look bad that they banned you, because you answered what they said quite reasonably; you didn't send any legal threat to Adam Carr via Wikipedia.
Posted by: Herschelkrustofsky
You have more of a userpage than me
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mistress_Selina_Kyle?action=history
Mine was blanked for some time by SlimVirgin. I made an appeal to Ashibaka to restore it, which he most graciously did. Will Beback went bananas in response.
Posted by: sgrayban
I hope they put my userpage and talk up for delete -- I have been begging for it to be deleted since I was banned. But I was always told no.
User:Sgrayban (T-H-L-K-D) PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DELETE ME !!!!!
All I want is that BIG ASS "YOUR BANNED INDEF" signpost
I love that..... Its soooooo coolIf you seriously want it deleted then post some of the information from Daniel Brandt's hive mind page on it. That is the reason that my user page was deleted.
Your talk page actually doesn't look so bad. It makes Wikipedia look bad that they banned you, because you answered what they said quite reasonably; you didn't send any legal threat to Adam Carr via Wikipedia.I was banned because my PENIS was bigger then Adam Carr's, Fred Bauder AND Brad Patrick's put together.
I know that I did not break any policies except for 1. I did violate the 3RR and I took that ban in stride. The rest is BULLSHIT.
They banned me because of the BIGGER DICK SYNDROME !
Posted by: blissyu2
You have more of a userpage than me
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mistress_Selina_Kyle?action=history
Dmcdevit is a total asshole..
It is bullshit to wipe someone's user page just because they are banned. I'd kill them if they wiped my sub pages.
This was Sgrayban's last good version:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sgrayban&diff=prev&oldid=52486696
They should make sure that every user gets their user page kept in the state it was in when banned. Then add a ban notice if they really need to, but leave the user page as it was. Its vandalism and its a personal attack to do otherwise.
Posted by: Herschelkrustofsky
Even with a majority it won't necessarily be kept. Recently there have been several notorious incidents in which AfD-kept articles were deleted by IAR admins.
This has been closed now by Xoloz, who proclaims that the result of the debate Was No Consensus/Default Keep (the vote was 18 to keep, 9 to delete.)
Posted by: sgrayban
No Consensus ??? LOL someone is fucking blind.......
Posted by: everyking
Even with a majority it won't necessarily be kept. Recently there have been several notorious incidents in which AfD-kept articles were deleted by IAR admins.
This has been closed now by Xoloz, who proclaims that the result of the debate Was No Consensus/Default Keep (the vote was 18 to keep, 9 to delete.)
Well, that's good. Hopefully there's no out of process foolishness now.
Posted by: blissyu2
Well consensus http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=consensus:
Clearly 2/3 is not consensus. You need 100% or close enough to it that it is considered to be the opinion of everyone.
Wikipedia, of course, has its own views.
Posted by: guy
I think that if there is a consensus not to delete, another AfD within a few weeks would be frowned on, but if there's a no consensus, they could do another AfD next week.