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post Tue 7th December 2010, 1:07am
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Assange denies the charges, which his lawyer, described as stemming from a "dispute over consensual but unprotected sex", which may constitute rape under the Swedish law.


So babymaking "may" be illegal in Sweden? Yeah right. Sounds like a spin job to me.

And yeah, I have no idea what forum this is supposed to go into.

EDIT: Oops, forgot the link.

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Assange denies the charges, which his lawyer,, described as stemming, from a "dispute over consensual but unprotected sex", which may constitute rape,,, ~~ ~ under the ~~* Swedish law.


I am trying very hard not to make a joke about Wiki-Leaks.... ohmy.gif









But I failed. My sense of humor is unprotected. confused.gif
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Mon 6th December 2010, 9:35pm) *

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Assange denies the charges, which his lawyer, described as stemming from a "dispute over consensual but unprotected sex", which may constitute rape under the Swedish law.


I am trying very hard not to make a joke about Wiki-Leaks.... ohmy.gif









But I failed. My sense of humor is unprotected. confused.gif


That initial quote is bugging me. There's an excess comma there somewhere. and you know what commas look like... fat head, little wiggly tail... say no more... Not too good to have extra ones roaming around where they might impregnate unwitting sentences.

Uncle Miltie, can you fix it? The sentence, I mean.
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post Tue 7th December 2010, 2:18am
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QUOTE(Lar @ Mon 6th December 2010, 7:12pm) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Mon 6th December 2010, 9:35pm) *

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Assange denies the charges, which his lawyer, described, as stemming from a "dispute over consensual but unprotected sex", which may,, ''constitute rape under...~~~* the Swedish law'*~.


I am trying very hard not to make a joke about Wiki-Leaks.... ohmy.gif









But I failed. My sense of humor is unprotected. confused.gif


That initial quote is bugging me. There's an excess comma there somewhere. and you know what commas look like... fat head, little wiggly tail... say no more... Not too good to have extra ones roaming around where they might impregnate unwitting sentences.

Uncle Miltie, can you fix it? The sentence, I mean.

I can only fix sentences in my own posts. So there you are. ~~~*>
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 7th December 2010, 2:18am) *

I can only fix sentences in my own posts. So there you are. ~~~*>


Oops, I forgot the link. See, anyone can fix that sentence. Preferably by deleting it. (Or, actually, preferably by adding a reference to the actual law.)

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QUOTE(anthony @ Mon 6th December 2010, 7:26pm) *

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I can only fix sentences in my own posts. So there you are. ~~~*>


Oops, I forgot the link. See, anyone can fix that sentence. Preferably by deleting it. (Or, actually, preferably by adding a reference to the actual law.)

Gee it was a split condom. That's what happens, girls, when you pick up the WikiLeaks man at a seminar. wink.gif I mean, how many clues do they need?
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 7th December 2010, 2:50am) *

Gee it was a split condom.


That's the rumor, anyway. Whether or not there's any validity to it, I have no idea.
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QUOTE(anthony @ Tue 7th December 2010, 3:07am) *

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Gee it was a split condom.
That's the rumor, anyway. Whether or not there's any validity to it, I have no idea.

what about the second woman? the wikipedia has like nine paragraphs on this and they don't explain.
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QUOTE(anthony @ Tue 7th December 2010, 2:07am) *

So babymaking "may" be illegal in Sweden? Yeah right. Sounds like a spin job to me.

The reliable source used for the claim is in English, and it quotes solely from Expressen. A Swedish tabloid marginally more reliable than, say, The S*n. And trying to use that excuse for a newspaper as a reliable source on the English-language wikipedia would get you shot down in seconds.

It seems like a case of "not using protection when you said you would" which I am not sure how it would be viewed legally here in the land of everlasting cold.
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QUOTE(Warui desu @ Tue 7th December 2010, 4:03am) *

It seems like a case of "not using protection when you said you would"


In which case it's not "consensual". At least, if it's a case of "not using protection when you say you are" (*).

Anyway, that's the rumor. No idea if it's even true that that's what was alleged. But the way it's phrased in Wikipedia makes it sound like there's possibly some strange Swedish law equating any sex without a condom, with rape. (Which, maybe I could believe in the case of Chinese women who had already used up their one-child quota, or in Pakistan where all sex outside of marriage is illegal, but I find it hard to believe that Sweden would have such a law.)

(*) He said: "I'm going to use a condom." (later, during the act) She said: "Wow I can't even feel the condom." He said: "Umm, yeah, it's really thin." That's definitely some sort of assault. Or is it just a case of a broken promise? He said: "I promise to use a condom." (later, just before the act) She said: "I thought you were going to use a condom?" He said: "Yeah, I lied." She said: "Oh, oh well." That would be a "dispute over consensual but unprotected sex".

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post Tue 7th December 2010, 4:43am
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QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Mon 6th December 2010, 8:42pm) *

QUOTE(anthony @ Tue 7th December 2010, 3:07am) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 7th December 2010, 2:50am) *

Gee it was a split condom.
That's the rumor, anyway. Whether or not there's any validity to it, I have no idea.

what about the second woman? the wikipedia has like nine paragraphs on this and they don't explain.

According to The Daily Mail (online), that Bastion of Truth in the Modem World, the second girl was escorted back to her appartment by the sex-crazed Assange, who was sort of cashless and didn't dare use his credit cards or stay in a hotel. There is a matter of a train ticket she paid for (guess he couldn't charge it to the old expense account). So he then proceded to turn her off by playing with his portable computer to look up stories on himself until she was all, like, not-so-hot-as-before. But he wanted to do it anyway, so they did the Swedish nasty. And it was like Norwegian Wood, but not as nearly as good. In fact, sort of bleh for her. Boring. Assange said, that time, that he WOULD use a condom, according to her, but, according to her also, then the next morning they did it again and he didn't even try to use a condom. She didn't know him that well, and wanted him to. But she was okay with the fact that he didn't, and they had breakfast (she was worried about leaving the appartment to shop with him still in her bed, because she didn't know him that well, but he didn't steal anything or light a fire). And then he split. After saying he would call her. But he didn't. And she was shocked, simply shocked, at finding out later that he'd had sex with ANOTHER SWEDISH WOMAN. I'm not sure what she was shocked by, and later, neither was she. Apparently. Because she called the cops and then wasn't quite sure what to charge him with, except being an inconsiderate cad of cads. AND she knows she wants him tested, tested, tested. Ewww. wacko.gif ohmy.gif blink.gif hrmph.gif Till his eyes suck into his skull and his face is white from loss of hemoglobin. Like, tested.

Are we clear, now? It's all in the tabloids, so it's officially true. Neither woman is named, but Assange is. Which, I would say if this were a case involving some other human male, was horribly unfair and double standardish. Except that this IS Assange, Dark Lord of Leaky Stickiness. So I just can't bring myself to shed tears over his lost rep, in the he-said she-said game as it is played on teh Interwebs. Where is that smiley for the world's smallest violin?
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 7th December 2010, 4:43am) *

QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Mon 6th December 2010, 8:42pm) *

QUOTE(anthony @ Tue 7th December 2010, 3:07am) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 7th December 2010, 2:50am) *

Gee it was a split condom.
That's the rumor, anyway. Whether or not there's any validity to it, I have no idea.

what about the second woman? the wikipedia has like nine paragraphs on this and they don't explain.

According to The Daily Mail (online), that Bastion of Truth in the Modem World, the second girl was escorted back to her appartment by the sex-crazed Assange, who was sort of cashless and didn't dare use his credit cards or stay in a hotel. There is a matter of a train ticket she paid for (guess he couldn't charge it to the old expense account). So he then proceded to turn her off by playing with his portable computer to look up stories on himself until she was all, like, not-so-hot-as-before. But he wanted to do it anyway, so they did the Swedish nasty. And it was like Norwegian Wood, but not as nearly as good. In fact, sort of bleh for her. Boring. Assange said, that time, that he WOULD use a condom, according to her, but, according to her also, then the next morning they did it again and he didn't even try to use a condom. She didn't know him that well, and wanted him to. But she was okay with the fact that he didn't, and they had breakfast (she was worried about leaving the appartment to shop with him still in her bed, because she didn't know him that well, but he didn't steal anything or light a fire). And then he split. After saying he would call her. But he didn't. And she was shocked, simply shocked, at finding out later that he'd had sex with ANOTHER SWEDISH WOMAN. I'm not sure what she was shocked by, and later, neither was she. Apparently. Because she called the cops and then wasn't quite sure what to charge him with, except being an inconsiderate cad of cads. AND she knows she wants him tested, tested, tested. Ewww. wacko.gif ohmy.gif blink.gif hrmph.gif Till his eyes suck into his skull and his face is white from loss of hemoglobin. Like, tested.

Are we clear, now? It's all in the tabloids, so it's officially true. Neither woman is named, but Assange is. Which, I would say if this were a case involving some other human male, was horribly unfair and double standardish. Except that this IS Assange, Dark Lord of Leaky Stickiness. So I just can't bring myself to shed tears over his lost rep, in the he-said she-said game as it is played on teh Interwebs. Where is that smiley for the world's smallest violin?

ya just can't make this shit up.

The rape charge translates into women scorned, Assange is a mutt in heat (no surprise there) and the international arrest warrant is a crock.

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How old are these Swedish broads, anyway? ermm.gif
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QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Mon 6th December 2010, 11:20pm) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 7th December 2010, 4:43am) *

QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Mon 6th December 2010, 8:42pm) *

QUOTE(anthony @ Tue 7th December 2010, 3:07am) *

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Gee it was a split condom.
That's the rumor, anyway. Whether or not there's any validity to it, I have no idea.

what about the second woman? the wikipedia has like nine paragraphs on this and they don't explain.

According to The Daily Mail (online), that Bastion of Truth in the Modem World, the second girl was escorted back to her appartment by the sex-crazed Assange, who was sort of cashless and didn't dare use his credit cards or stay in a hotel. There is a matter of a train ticket she paid for (guess he couldn't charge it to the old expense account). So he then proceded to turn her off by playing with his portable computer to look up stories on himself until she was all, like, not-so-hot-as-before. But he wanted to do it anyway, so they did the Swedish nasty. And it was like Norwegian Wood, but not as nearly as good. In fact, sort of bleh for her. Boring. Assange said, that time, that he WOULD use a condom, according to her, but, according to her also, then the next morning they did it again and he didn't even try to use a condom. She didn't know him that well, and wanted him to. But she was okay with the fact that he didn't, and they had breakfast (she was worried about leaving the appartment to shop with him still in her bed, because she didn't know him that well, but he didn't steal anything or light a fire). And then he split. After saying he would call her. But he didn't. And she was shocked, simply shocked, at finding out later that he'd had sex with ANOTHER SWEDISH WOMAN. I'm not sure what she was shocked by, and later, neither was she. Apparently. Because she called the cops and then wasn't quite sure what to charge him with, except being an inconsiderate cad of cads. AND she knows she wants him tested, tested, tested. Ewww. wacko.gif ohmy.gif blink.gif hrmph.gif Till his eyes suck into his skull and his face is white from loss of hemoglobin. Like, tested.

Are we clear, now? It's all in the tabloids, so it's officially true. Neither woman is named, but Assange is. Which, I would say if this were a case involving some other human male, was horribly unfair and double standardish. Except that this IS Assange, Dark Lord of Leaky Stickiness. So I just can't bring myself to shed tears over his lost rep, in the he-said she-said game as it is played on teh Interwebs. Where is that smiley for the world's smallest violin?

ya just can make this shit up.

The rape charge translates into women scorned, Assange is a mutt in heat (no surprise there) and the international arrest warrant is a crock.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40544697/ns/us...rity/?GT1=43001

Incredibly, he's been arrested in the UK for this and denied bail. They are going to Extradite him to Sweden for a busted condom, followed by failure to use a next-morning condom with somebody else.

See, this is what happens when you get on the U.S. government's shit list. Your condom malfunctions and your failure to put one on in some fuzzy morning, follows you around the world and results in your imprisonment. Rough justice. wacko.gif Since there's no way to prove whether or not the man used a condom that morning when he and she were half asleep, presumably he'll be kept eventually at Gitmo, where all those other bad people are kept that nobody has any good evidence against. Stay tuned to WikiLeaks to find out.

The news stories are already precious:

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Denial: Mr Assange admitted having sex with two women within four days of each other

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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 7th December 2010, 7:08am) *

How old are these Swedish broads, anyway? ermm.gif

Both "in their 20's" says The Daily Mail. Presumably, in Sweden, old enough to know better. The sweet victimized ladies threw themselves at Assange when was making a speaking tour, and both of them, erm, stuck. Sucks to be them.
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 7th December 2010, 7:08am) *

How old are these Swedish broads, anyway? ermm.gif
Both "in their 20's" says The Daily Mail. Presumably, in Sweden, old enough to know better. The sweet victimized ladies threw themselves at Assange when was making a speaking tour, and both of them, erm, stuck. Sucks to be them.

"Assange's lawyers [...] say the women only made the claims after finding out about each other's relationships with Assange."

hell hath no fury ... Go get em, ladies.
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A second woman accused Assange of having sex with her without a condom while she was asleep at her Stockholm home.

NBC, msnbc.com and news services


Having sex with an unconscious person amounts to rape. The no condom thing might be a aggravating factor. It also might be used as evidence that she would not have consented if awake although an unconscious victim should not have to prove any such thing. Of course those are only reported accusations. There are a couple of levels of possible misinformation there and we don't know the proof. If Sweden is a draconian police state that frames defendants without evidence they have done a good job of keeping that a secret up to this point. In the US system there would be a speedy preliminary hearing required to show that substantial evidence does in fact exist or the defendant is released. I would assume Sweden has something similar. But the charges do not seem trivial on their face.
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 7th December 2010, 7:26pm) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 7th December 2010, 7:08am) *

How old are these Swedish broads, anyway? ermm.gif
Both "in their 20's" says The Daily Mail. Presumably, in Sweden, old enough to know better. The sweet victimized ladies threw themselves at Assange when was making a speaking tour, and both of them, erm, stuck. Sucks to be them.

"An attractive blonde, Sarah was already a well-known ‘radical feminist’. In her 30s, she had travelled the world following various fashionable causes.

While a research assistant at a local university she had not only been the protegee of a militant feminist ­academic, but held the post of ‘campus sexual equity officer’. Fighting male discrimination in all forms, including sexual harassment, was her forte."

... Assange attended his seminar at the Swedish trade union HQ. In the front row of the audience, dressed in an eye-catching pink jumper — you can see her on a YouTube ­internet clip recorded at the time — was a pretty twentysomething whom we shall call Jessica."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13...l#ixzz17Sabswn8

This just keeps getting getting better and better. Assange fucks over groupies, only to have the favor returned, in spades.

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One thing is for sure, Jimmy Wales would never have sex with two different women in the same week!




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QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Tue 7th December 2010, 3:36pm) *

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How old are these Swedish broads, anyway? ermm.gif
Both "in their 20's" says The Daily Mail. Presumably, in Sweden, old enough to know better. The sweet victimized ladies threw themselves at Assange when was making a speaking tour, and both of them, erm, stuck. Sucks to be them.

"An attractive blonde, Sarah was already a well-known ‘radical feminist’. In her 30s, she had travelled the world following various fashionable causes.

While a research assistant at a local university she had not only been the protegee of a militant feminist ­academic, but held the post of ‘campus sexual equity officer’. Fighting male discrimination in all forms, including sexual harassment, was her forte."

... Assange attended his seminar at the Swedish trade union HQ. In the front row of the audience, dressed in an eye-catching pink jumper — you can see her on a YouTube ­internet clip recorded at the time — was a pretty twentysomething whom we shall call Jessica."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13...l#ixzz17Sabswn8

This just keeps getting getting better and better. Assange fucks over groupies, only to have the favor returned, in spades.

If this really is a CIA conspiracy, we need better CIA operatives. dry.gif

If the leaks were Russian or Israeli documents, he'd probably be quite dead by now. Not that that would be a good thing, but just sayin. wink.gif
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