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EricBarbour
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I'm talking about this, of course.

She had to send her birth certificate to the WMF, just to stop this inane three-year-long squabble.
Yet the moronic editwar continued thereafter.

(Of course, you realize this shit happens for only one reason: Ms. Landau was on two TV shows
that Wiki-twidders obsess over, Buffy and Angel...... hrmph.gif )

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Wow, I never realized the full depth of DragonflySixtyseven's idiocy until I saw that page! blink.gif
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post Wed 9th November 2011, 2:20pm
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If you read the talk page, it shows that editors found several newspaper articles that mention her as a child, years before the birthdate she claims for herself. I don't see how you can argue with that.
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post Wed 9th November 2011, 2:43pm
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Can't they include both dates? Can't they say, "Certain newspapers indicate that Juliet Landau was born in 1965, while Juliet Landau, backed by her birth certificate, claim that she was born in 1972"? What happened to "Verifiability, not truth"? It's not up to Wikipedians to decide what the truth is and to force their version of the "truth" down readers' throats.

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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Wed 9th November 2011, 9:43am) *

...backed by her birth certificate...


Maybe it could say, "backed by what is likely a forged or altered birth certificate..."?
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post Wed 9th November 2011, 3:43pm
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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Wed 9th November 2011, 2:43pm) *

Can't they include both dates? Can't they say, "Certain newspapers indicate that Juliet Landau was born in 1965, while Juliet Landau, backed by her birth certificate, claim that she was born in 1972"? What happened to "Verifiability, not truth"? It's not up to Wikipedians to decide what the truth is and to force their version of the "truth" down readers' throats.

"Some newspaper sources, published before Landau's birth in 1972, suggest that she was born in 1965, but her true birth date has been confirmed by an unnamed Wikipedia volunteer viewing an image of Landau's birth certificate sent via email by an unknown person."

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QUOTE(carbuncle @ Wed 9th November 2011, 10:43am) *

QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Wed 9th November 2011, 2:43pm) *

Can't they include both dates? Can't they say, "Certain newspapers indicate that Juliet Landau was born in 1965, while Juliet Landau, backed by her birth certificate, claim that she was born in 1972"? What happened to "Verifiability, not truth"? It's not up to Wikipedians to decide what the truth is and to force their version of the "truth" down readers' throats.

"Some newspaper sources, published before Landau's birth in 1972, suggest that she was born in 1965, but her true birth date has been confirmed by an unnamed Wikipedia volunteer viewing an image of Landau's birth certificate sent via email by an unknown person."


I know that it sounds weird, but it's hard to believe that this person could have misplaced seven years of her life. Her website (julietlandau.com, Adobe Flash required) says 1972. What possible motivation can she have to spread misinformation about her birth date?

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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Wed 9th November 2011, 10:55am) *

What possible motivation can she have to spread misinformation about her birth date?

Clearly, you know nothing about the acting industry.
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post Wed 9th November 2011, 4:12pm
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I was curious about this one so I did a little searching of my own.

Here are some newspapers published before the 1972 birth date that mention Martin Landau and Barbara Bain having two children (although they aren't named in every article):Then there this 1975 article, naming Juliet and identifying her as aged 10: Sarasota Herald-Tribune - Aug 12, 1975.

Probably more telling is this item from 1988 which identifies Juliet Landau as 21, which suggests that she was born in 1967.

I believe that the only reasonable explanation is that the Landau & Bain had four children, three of them named Juliet.

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post Wed 9th November 2011, 7:02pm
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QUOTE(carbuncle @ Wed 9th November 2011, 8:12am) *
I believe that the only reasonable explanation is that the Landau & Bain had four children, three of them named Juliet.

Most likely related to this:

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Actress sues IMDB for revealing her age

LOS ANGELES - An actress has filed a $1 million lawsuit against show-business database IMDb and its owner, Amazon.com, because IMDb revealed her true age.

With her age made public, she fears she will get fewer roles.

The actress, listed only as Jane Doe in the suit, claims that the site obtained her personal data in 2008, when she subscribed to IMDb's pay service, IMDb Pro, and subsequently listed her age in her bio.

"Shortly after subscribing to IMDbPro, plaintiff noticed that her legal date of birth had been added to her public profile ... revealing to the public that the plaintiff is many years older than she looks," according to the suit.

"In the entertainment industry, youth is king," the suit continues. "If one is perceived to be 'over-the-hill,' i.e. approaching 40, it is nearly impossible for an up-and-coming actress, such as the plaintiff, to get work."

While the suit doesn't list the aging thespian's name, it does list her state of residence as Texas.
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post Thu 10th November 2011, 1:37am
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=459883586

Sorry Silver_seren, but your suspicions are misplaced.

I also like to thank Delicious_carbuncle for exercising responsibility:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=459851016

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=459855379

Silver_seren, I'll ask again: Can you please be more careful before drawing conclusions? You made this mistake before:

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showt...74&#entry287974
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I might also point out: this is an awful bio. It's fannish.
PS, just as an aside, I think she's been editing it herself.
That IP is in Newport Beach. Or maybe it's her agent. Blah.
Plus, she's Jewish. It's a "special" combination on WP. bored.gif

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post Thu 10th November 2011, 5:00am
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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Thu 10th November 2011, 1:37am) *

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=459883586

Sorry Silver_seren, but your suspicions are misplaced.

I also like to thank Delicious_carbuncle for exercising responsibility:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=459851016

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=459855379

Silver_seren, I'll ask again: Can you please be more careful before drawing conclusions? You made this mistake before:

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showt...74&#entry287974


I'm sorry, but you're just being ridiculous. Me specifically pointing out that it "may potentially have something to do with this or it may be about someone completely different" and that there is "no proof this is Landau though" shows exactly that I was just pointing it out as a possibility to keep an eye on. And another user pointed out other details that showed it definitely wasn't likely, so we move on.

This has nothing to do with BLP and you clearly don't know anything about defamation or libel when you're trying to insinuate every little comment as being as such. I don't know why you're so jumpy about all of this, but either way, you're just dead wrong.
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post Thu 10th November 2011, 2:04pm
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QUOTE(Silver seren @ Thu 10th November 2011, 5:00am) *

I'm sorry, but you're just being ridiculous. Me specifically pointing out that it "may potentially have something to do with this or it may be about someone completely different" and that there is "no proof this is Landau though" shows exactly that I was just pointing it out as a possibility to keep an eye on. And another user pointed out other details that showed it definitely wasn't likely, so we move on.

Let me try a demonstration to see if you get the point (although I think you're clue-resistant). A recent "news" item:
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Actor Hugh Grant, known for films such as "Notting Hill" and "Bridget Jones's Diary," has welcomed a baby girl into his life following a brief affair with an unidentified woman, his spokeswoman said on Tuesday.
Landau is a woman and, given her age, presumably fertile. Would you think it was acceptable to post:
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Thanks to Carbuncle on Wikipedia Review, there's this Reuters articles that may potentially have something to do with this or it may be about someone completely different, but: Hugh Grant is new father of baby girl. No proof this is Landau though. Is she living in Los Angeles right now? Silverseren
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Except there is no logical way that that is Landau. Instead, the situation is that we're dealing with an unidentified woman who is stated to be an actress and is suing IMDB for revealing her real age. We know Landau is an actress and we know that she is currently very active in trying to keep her real age a secret and we also know that IMDB is showing her real age.

There are a number of connections that make it a significant possibility that it was her, which is why I asked about Texas, because that was the unknown factor. The answer was no about Texas and another user found other information that lessened the likelihood of it being her.
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QUOTE(Silver seren @ Thu 10th November 2011, 4:15pm) *

Except there is no logical way that that is Landau. Instead, the situation is that we're dealing with an unidentified woman who is stated to be an actress and is suing IMDB for revealing her real age. We know Landau is an actress and we know that she is currently very active in trying to keep her real age a secret and we also know that IMDB is showing her real age.

There are a number of connections that make it a significant possibility that it was her, which is why I asked about Texas, because that was the unknown factor. The answer was no about Texas and another user found other information that lessened the likelihood of it being her.

Perhaps your understanding of "logical" is different from mine.

The mother of Hugh Grant's child is a woman. Landau is a woman. The unknown woman is fertile. Given her age, Landau has undergone puberty but likely has not yet entered menopause. Hugh Grant is an actor. Landau is an actor and thus likely to move in the same circles as Grant. The dateline of the Reuters article was Los Angeles. According to IMDB, Landau lives in Los Angeles.

Feel free to tell me why Landau could not be the woman is question.
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QUOTE(carbuncle @ Thu 10th November 2011, 6:51pm) *

QUOTE(Silver seren @ Thu 10th November 2011, 4:15pm) *

Except there is no logical way that that is Landau. Instead, the situation is that we're dealing with an unidentified woman who is stated to be an actress and is suing IMDB for revealing her real age. We know Landau is an actress and we know that she is currently very active in trying to keep her real age a secret and we also know that IMDB is showing her real age.

There are a number of connections that make it a significant possibility that it was her, which is why I asked about Texas, because that was the unknown factor. The answer was no about Texas and another user found other information that lessened the likelihood of it being her.

Perhaps your understanding of "logical" is different from mine.

The mother of Hugh Grant's child is a woman. Landau is a woman. The unknown woman is fertile. Given her age, Landau has undergone puberty but likely has not yet entered menopause. Hugh Grant is an actor. Landau is an actor and thus likely to move in the same circles as Grant. The dateline of the Reuters article was Los Angeles. According to IMDB, Landau lives in Los Angeles.

Feel free to tell me why Landau could not be the woman is question.


Because there has been no indication that she is romantically involved with anyone. In terms of the article, there is significant indication that she is currently trying to cover up her age. So events involving unknown actresses in regards to covering up ages are plausible, in order to keep an eye on them.

As for your hypothetical Hugh Grant's child scenario, there would be indications that Landau has been pregnant. If she had given birth to a child of an unknown actor, it would be reasonable to hypothesize that Hugh Grant was that actor. Of course, in that sort of scenario, it would be much more high profile and newspapers themselves would have already made that sort of speculation long before any of us.

And pointing out to users on the talk page that they should keep an eye out for reliable sources in regards to that situation with more information, since it is possible Landau is involved, is perfectly fine to do.
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Please keep my flippin' pseudonym out of Wikipedia. I personally do not care about Juliet Landau's age, nor Jane Doe's.
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QUOTE(Silver seren @ Thu 10th November 2011, 7:10pm) *

QUOTE(carbuncle @ Thu 10th November 2011, 6:51pm) *

Feel free to tell me why Landau could not be the woman is question.


Because there has been no indication that she is romantically involved with anyone. In terms of the article, there is significant indication that she is currently trying to cover up her age. So events involving unknown actresses in regards to covering up ages are plausible, in order to keep an eye on them.

As for your hypothetical Hugh Grant's child scenario, there would be indications that Landau has been pregnant. If she had given birth to a child of an unknown actor, it would be reasonable to hypothesize that Hugh Grant was that actor. Of course, in that sort of scenario, it would be much more high profile and newspapers themselves would have already made that sort of speculation long before any of us.

And pointing out to users on the talk page that they should keep an eye out for reliable sources in regards to that situation with more information, since it is possible Landau is involved, is perfectly fine to do.

There is no "significant indication that she is currently trying to cover up her age". We don't know who is trying to get the birth date changed, only that someone allegedly sent her birth certificate to the OTRS email. As has been pointed out already, shaving years of one's age is hardly unique in her profession. In any case, you seem to be reacting to those efforts.

You think my ridiculous speculation is wrong because something would have happened and it hasn't. Is that what "logical" means? Don't waste any more of your brainpower on this example, I'm already having a discussion with Ottava in another thread.

You jumped on something that Gomi posted (perhaps seriously, perhaps not) and, without even bothering to check it out, put some completely half-assed speculation on one of the world's most visited websites. You appear to be acting out of some form of personal malice of the common Wikipedia variety (see here for another great example).

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