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Someone wants to change the hallowed SlimVirgin dictum of "Verifiability, not truth", so that it reads "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability; that is, whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source." As one relatively rational commentator puts it, "it corrects the problem that the current wording disparages the concept of striving for accuracy, and the negative impacts that such has had." The nerve! The opponents of the change are a veritable rogue's gallery, lead by SlimVirgin, who modestly says of the wording she coined, "The phrase "Verifiability, not truth" is iconic as a representation of Wikipedia's sourcing and neutrality standards."
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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Sun 12th June 2011, 9:12am) *

Someone wants to change the hallowed SlimVirgin dictum of "Verifiability, not truth", so that it reads "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability; that is, whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source." As one relatively rational commentator puts it, "it corrects the problem that the current wording disparages the concept of striving for accuracy, and the negative impacts that such has had." The nerve! The opponents of the change are a veritable rogue's gallery, lead by SlimVirgin, who modestly says of the wording she coined, "The phrase "Verifiability, not truth" is iconic as a representation of Wikipedia's sourcing and neutrality standards."

Beware of anybody who defends anything as "iconic." That means it's as hackneyed, screwed up, and unrealistic as Mickey Mouse's circular ears. But everybody is now as used to it as the Statue of Liberty's green gown, and wants it saved for purposes of pure reactionary cussedness.

So changing policy on WP has now become about as simple as relocating a graveyard. And WP:V is no different. When you try to change the first sentence of the WP:V policy so it's actually understandable to a first-time reader, the people who've lived with it for the last 5 years react as though you wanted to go the Gettysburg Address article and fix it up so it says:

Eighty-seven years ago, a bunch of revolutionaries signed a peice of paper that they hoped would one day lead to a new nation here. That document mentioned the idea that all men are created equal, but it didn't say anything slavery, which you'd think it would have, given the other idea. Now, we pay the price. We are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation that was eventually created from the document, will survive the question of whether or not states should be able to make slavery legal or illegal. We are met on a great battleground of that war, and it certainly sucks to be here, let me tell you.

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Herschelkrustofsky   NOT TRUTH  
Gruntled   Consider the follwing scenario: An editor adds so...  
melloden   Consider the follwing scenario: An editor adds s...  
Herschelkrustofsky   This latest episode, in tandem with WP:OTTO, has i...  
radek   This latest episode, in tandem with WP:OTTO, has ...  
Doc glasgow   [quote name='Herschelkrustofsky' post='276785' da...  
Herschelkrustofsky   [quote name='radek' post='276789' date='Sun 12th ...  
radek   [quote name='radek' post='276789' date='Sun 12th...  
HRIP7   Yeah, but the problem is this - if you include ...  
Herschelkrustofsky   [quote name='Herschelkrustofsky' post='276795' da...  
radek   [quote name='Herschelkrustofsky' post='276795' d...  
Herschelkrustofsky   Again, who is this "we"? Judging by th...  
radek   Again, who is this "we"? Judging by t...  
Herschelkrustofsky   But you are implicitly advocating that any and al...  
radek   But you are implicitly advocating that any and a...  
Sololol   [quote name='Herschelkrustofsky' post='276855' da...  
radek   I inadvertent started a big thread over at RSN abo...  
Detective   does a person citing text to a source actually ha...  
Abd   And I've still gotten no answer to the questio...  
Herschelkrustofsky   Unnecessary attribution does very little harm. It...  
Milton Roe   Do you really trust the average Wikipedia editor,...  
Doc glasgow   I hope that my blog post is unambiguous on this...  
lilburne   [quote name='Herschelkrustofsky' post='276795' da...  
EricBarbour   The Telegraph may be a reliable source sometimes, ...  
Doc glasgow   The Telegraph may be a reliable source sometimes,...  
EricBarbour   This latest episode, in tandem with WP:OTTO, has ...  
thekohser   What I want to know is how does this affect Wikipe...  
Milton Roe   What I want to know is how does this affect Wikip...  


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