User Tisane, this could end badly Options

[tarantino]

The Libertarian candidate in 2008 for Virginia's 1st congressional district and and one of Abd's former mentors [1] had another account blocked August 11 2010.

He recently spent 14 months in prison for threatening to kill the president, and has just now decided not to comply with his conditions of supervised release.

His autobiography is here, and the letter sent to his probation officer is here.

[1]

I had some good mentors early on, most notably an editor known by many names, a long-term Wikipedian who, for his own reasons, kept dropping accounts and starting up new ones, though under (originally) no sanctions. He never used two accounts simultaneously, never went back to old accounts, and all were acknowledged or blatantly obvious, far from concealed. One of the names was Sarsaparilla, it's not hard at all to find another going back about two years before I met him. Older accounts he never revealed even to me, and he had real-life reasons to avoid disclosing them, he claimed.

[Michaeldsuarez]

The image on Commons that Tisane removed the "child" category from would be, if those were minors, child pornography, because sexual activity is portrayed.

Tisane's removal of the category was proper. There is no reason to think that the models were children, or that the portrayal was intended to be of children.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...&action=history

You're missing the point of that link. I feel that it's unlikely that Tisane arrived at that image randomly. He must've searched Commons's image or categories for certain keywords. He was searching, and Commons is an enabler for people who want to make such searches.

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[Ottava]

The image on Commons that Tisane removed the "child" category from would be, if those were minors, child pornography, because sexual activity is portrayed.

Tisane's removal of the category was proper. There is no reason to think that the models were children, or that the portrayal was intended to be of children.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...&action=history

You're missing the point of that link. I feel that it's unlikely that Tisane arrived at that image randomly. He must've searched Commons's image or categories for certain keywords. He was searching, and Commons is an enabler for people who want to make such searches.

Hey Michael, I think you missed the real point of Abd's comments - he revealed that he spent enough time and has enough knowledge to analyze the photos and determine if they were child porn or not. Abd has been a long term defender of the guy, and I think we discovered something very, very creepy.

[Abd]

Hey Michael, I think you missed the real point of Abd's comments - he revealed that he spent enough time and has enough knowledge to analyze the photos and determine if they were child porn or not. Abd has been a long term defender of the guy, and I think we discovered something very, very creepy.

I happen to have been somewhat familiar with the issues, because of substantial history, which I'll explain. However, I did not, until after I saw Tisane's "Pedophilia" page, know the precise legal difference between "child erotica" and "child pornography."

I did have a general sense. I.e., I could tell the difference between a provocative pose by a girl in a fashion shot, for example, and pornography. Or between a photo of children nude -- even if genitals are shown -- and pornography.

I remember, in fact, my first end-of-Ramadan feast, which was before the fundamentalists hit Islam in the U.S., and this was being put on by, mostly, students at the University of Arizona, most of them older, with children. The sub-teen girls got up on the tables and belly-danced. It was "child erotica," live, in person. That would never have been permitted for these girls after they reached puberty. Basically, sexuality is normal, and the girls were being allowed to explore their own attractiveness, to play with it, with everyone cheering. American culture is utterly insane on this.

(Protect the children, until they are eighteen, then anything goes. Anything. But, of course, those kids, nowadays, see youtube music videos, which might have been considered pornographic when I was young, except that I think the distinction was legally maintained even back then. Erotic, not pornographic.)

Creepy? Honi soit qui mal y pense.

Ah, my history. I have counselled and heard the personal stories of quite a number of pedophiles. I know how pedophiles think. Tisane is not a pedophile. Of course, I also have seven children, four of them are girls, so I've spent a lot of time with small girls, seeing them without clothing, seeing them develop, etc. Nudity is not sexual. I know the difference.