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> Will Wikipedia Replace Your Kid's Teacher?, The “Blue Screen Of Death” For Education
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Jon Awbrey
post Thu 17th March 2011, 12:22pm
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Programming Note …

Just a brief apology to all those readers from other places who came to this thread under the promptings of my advertisement that it afforded “a sometime pertinent, sometime impertinent, discussion of democracy and education”. We'll be getting back to the more pertinent impertinences, you know, right after The Revolution.

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post Thu 17th March 2011, 3:30pm
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We Da Ppl who do grok the differences between Jeffersonian, Hamiltonian, and Jimbonian “democracies” — briefly put, systems founded on the principles of OPOV (one person one vote), OBOV (one buck one vote), and OSOV (one sock one vote) — know that the USA Community was originally constituted as a high-wire act of balancing and checking between OPOV and OBOV, a bit of derring do that is tricky enough to keep on the up and up, to say the least, no matter what strength of Social Safety Net was later stretched underneath.

But now a Third Rule has entered the fray, and if it was always difficult enough to keep OBOV from strangling OPOV in its sleep — and you know how much OPOV loves to sleep — the New Coalition between OBOV and OSOV is tolling what sounds like the death knell of OPOV once and for all.

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Dudes, Dudettes, Dudebots —

This thread was started by HK, not me, but each time I read its Great Instauration at the top of the thread it appears to be about the potential exploitation of information technology by the usual exploiters to de-professionalize yet another profession. It is not in principle the old shell game of sifting the 3 P's of education — Parochial, Private, Public — and picking which P is best, if any. Nor does it have anything to do with defending that Great Bastille, er, Bastion of Freedom, the U.S. liberated Democratic Republic Of Cuba.

I'm sorry that I haven't had time to do a better job of keeping it on topic, but I've been really busy with fast-breaking developments locally — and I don't mean the basketball game that just got pre-empted by the Dribbler In Chief — raising my e-voice against the ongoing Corporate Coup and Dissolution of Democracy by the Nerd Reich.

But I will get back to it, all in good time, as they say in the slammer …

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post Sat 19th March 2011, 6:22am
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post Sat 19th March 2011, 7:15am
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To answer the question asked by the topic title:
"Will Wikipedia Replace Your Kid's Teacher?"

No. Wikipedia does not contain any mechanism for teaching anything.

Thank you verra much.
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post Sat 19th March 2011, 4:06pm
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QUOTE(Zoloft @ Sat 19th March 2011, 3:15am) *

To answer the question asked by the topic title:

“Will Wikipedia Replace Your Kid's Teacher?”

No. Wikipedia does not contain any mechanism for teaching anything.

Thank you verra much.


Zoloft and All,

The title introduces the subject by way of a notorious and timely example, but the question is obviously much bigger than that.

I think that subsequent discussion, despite its divers digressions, has demonstrated the fundamental importance of that larger question.

So let's keep our eyes on the prize, and pry a bit deeper thereinto.

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What they undertook to do
They brought to pass;
All things hang like a drop of dew
Upon a blade of grass.

— William Butler Yeats • “Gratitude to the Unknown Instructors”




Slam Poet Taylor Mali • What Teachers Make
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post Mon 21st March 2011, 4:52am
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post Mon 21st March 2011, 12:28pm
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A correspondent on Facebook passed me these links:I have to say, El Gatto has a knack for titles I can really appreciate — “Weapons Of Mass Instruction”❢ — but it looks, on first skimming, like he's talking about those aspects of establishment schooling that always seemed to be the worst of all possible worlds, before Wikipediot Ways made them pale in comparison.

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Anarchist critics back in the late 19th century, pointed out that people had to be schooled into the industrial or mechanised workplace, either by being employed as child labour, or via the workhouse. Left to their own devices they tended to wander off or smash the place up.

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post Mon 21st March 2011, 2:01pm
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More discussion on this Facebook thread

I don't like to quote other people from a cloistered discussion without their permission, but here's my portion of the conversation:

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Yes, and Taylorism, the other Taylor, is much discussed all throughout the literature on institutional and organizational culture. This is all the stuff that all us old Flower Children were always railing against in the 60's and 70's. From the current vantage point, however, one can see that the countervailing influence of Progressive Education was ever-present and really dominant, though constantly at risk, of course, and even more at risk today.


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Not sure homeschooling is the answer though. I see a lot of problems there.


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Except for Descartes, and my own brief spell in parochial school, I don't know much about the Jesuit educational model. It seems that Descartes spent his whole life, and never quite succeeded, trying to escape the adverse side-effects of his early education. As do we all, I reckon.


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But the very fact that the Jesuits returned when recalled speaks tomes about the defects of that model.


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The subject of America's Great Dumbing Down comes up often in Facebook discussions. Being one of the weary survivors who still remembers the Before-Time, I am frequently prompted to share my recollections of “How It Came To This”.

The Great Dumbing Down began in earnest when Ronald Reagan became Governor of California in 1967. During the preceding decade, marked perhaps in the Public Mind by the rubric of Sputnik in 1957, most observers had begun to realize that some amount of post-secondary education had become as essential to a person's economic functioning and well-informed citizenship as a high school education had been in previous decades.

Prompted by that realization, California put itself on the cutting edge of educational progress with its “Freshman Year Free” program, funding the first year of college for every qualified high school graduate. That was one of the first things Ronald Reagan killed when he became governor, and the regressive trend in access to higher education has continued ever since.

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Farmville is to Food


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The political situation in the States has become so dire that a far, far greater evil than Wikimpedia now presses itself on even so apathetic a constitution as my normally apolitical state of yaller-dogmatic slumbers.

And yet there is a way that Wikimpedia's irregular puzzle piece fits within the bigger picture, and I think I can trace its outline a bit like this —

Wake Up❢ Ye Fools❢ The content of Wikipedia is wholly irrelevant❢

The pseudo-contents of Wikicivilization are empty distractions, on a par with the irreferent tokens that Farmvillers exchange, designed to divert the players from seeing the true purpose of the game.

As a matter of fact, Wikipedia has exactly the same purpose as Farmville —

It's all about socializing children and other unformed minds to a Corporate Owned Feudal Society.

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post Fri 25th March 2011, 4:28am
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QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Thu 24th March 2011, 6:42pm) *

The political situation in the States has become so dire that a far, far greater evil than Wikimpedia now presses itself on even so apathetic a constitution as my normally apolitical state of yaller-dogmatic slumbers.

And yet there is a way that Wikimpedia's irregular puzzle piece fits within the bigger picture, and I think I can trace its outline a bit like this —

Wake Up❢ Ye Fools❢ The content of Wikipedia is wholly irrelevant❢

The pseudo-contents of Wikicivilization are empty distractions, on a par with the irreferent tokens that Farmvillers exchange, designed to divert the players from seeing the true purpose of the game.

As a matter of fact, Wikipedia has exactly the same purpose as Farmville —

It's all about socializing children and other unformed minds to a Corporate Owned Feudal Society.

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Yes. Destroy the middle class, allow most sources of information to be centrally controlled, and you have just the wealthy, controlling, and the poor, who give their labor for a pittance to the wealthy and buy the illusion of involvement, and are controlled.
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Breaking events have led me to inquire further into the activities of the Koch Brotherhood and the right-wing corporate group-think-tank and all round cookie-cutter form-letter legislation factory that goes under the name of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC).

Most of the action at present is on Facebook, so I'll be posting a lot of links to FB pages, but I'll make an effort follow them up with wider web sources, too.

I'll try to keep this thread focused on the education side of things, but what's goin' on is such a full-scale wide-spectrum assault on everything we once held dear in the US, and also the UK, that not everything can be disentangled quite so easily.

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A bit in medias res, but here is one of the bleeding edges as I write:

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ALEC : The Invisible Hand in Your Sockpuppet Government?
More information about ALEC is coming out on these pages:
Support Bill Cronon
Support Professor William Cronon


You'll have to fill in the backstory yourself for now …

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Updates on the William Cronon story —

Paul Krugman • “William Cronon and the American Thought Police” • 27 Mar 2011

AHA Today • American Historical Association Deplores Effort to Intimidate William Cronon
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Jon, this is no longer "Wikimedia Discussion", is it?
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Sun 27th March 2011, 11:51pm) *

Jon, this is no longer “Wikimedia Discussion”, is it?


Good grief, do I really have to explain that again?

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