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QUOTE(mbilitatu @ Tue 28th October 2008, 12:06pm) *

I tried to post to Wiki for about 10 months. I didn't contribute that much, because every time I did it was a fight. Someone with absolute ignorance about the topic but far more time and dedication to the fight made my efforts a phenomenal waste of time. It could take days to get a single sentence "approved", so any serious contribution seemed impossible.

What makes my situation more difficult is that I am a PhD research scientist who also has a decades long history of studying shamanism. I've worked around the world with some very powerful healers and have had jaw dropping, mind blowing experiences. And I have never had to let go of my scientific training during any shamanic work. In fact, my intellectual mindset has been a great ally in deepening the experience.

But ... as anyone who comes within a hundred miles of wiki knows ... any contribution to anything whose intellectual tradition is not grounded in the western scientific method is routinely pounded by the pseudo-skeptic mafia as fringe, pseudoscience, quackery and so on. And in the most frustrating of ironies, the pseudo-skeptic mafia uses false logic, bad science, political tactics and outright religious passion to do the pounding. In my opinion.

So ... I'm not totally certain why I'm here. Maybe to vent. Maybe to be heard. Maybe to see if there is a possibility to make a difference. Maybe to learn something. I was embroiled in one idiotic discussion and another request for deletion, and presumably those fights are still going on, but I don't have the desire to continue those fights and do not plan to bring them up here. I've researched the name involved and know that he's a famous, self-appointed guardian of the Wiki reality and he will undoubtedly outlast me. So be it.

Thank you for creating this venue. I have a couple ideas for discussions that might be interesting. We'll see.





That's my experience, too. I'm of the opinion that these people do it just to harass others and most people on that site are like that, they just visit it to game the system not to help the site but to harass others. I recently read a thread on this forum about a guy called Chris-chan and the average Wikipedian makes Chris-chan look like one of the coolest people in the world by comparison.


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post Wed 4th March 2009, 12:20pm
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Moderators,

I think it's time to rewrite a Welcome to New Members — this one seems calculated to be about as inviting as a stale wiki-φart hanging round the room — unpin this mess and depose all or most of it to the Lounge or Tarpit.

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QUOTE(mbilitatu @ Tue 28th October 2008, 11:06am) *

I tried to post to Wiki for about 10 months. I didn't contribute that much, because every time I did it was a fight. Someone with absolute ignorance about the topic but far more time and dedication to the fight made my efforts a phenomenal waste of time. It could take days to get a single sentence "approved", so any serious contribution seemed impossible.

What makes my situation more difficult is that I am a PhD research scientist who also has a decades long history of studying shamanism.


Do you really think you know more about shamanism than the practicing shamans? WP is full of them. They are called "admins" over there.

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QUOTE(Son of a Yeti @ Wed 4th March 2009, 1:50pm) *

QUOTE(mbilitatu @ Tue 28th October 2008, 11:06am) *

I tried to post to Wiki for about 10 months. I didn't contribute that much, because every time I did it was a fight. Someone with absolute ignorance about the topic but far more time and dedication to the fight made my efforts a phenomenal waste of time. It could take days to get a single sentence "approved", so any serious contribution seemed impossible.

What makes my situation more difficult is that I am a PhD research scientist who also has a decades long history of studying shamanism.


Do you really think you know more about shamanism than the practicing shamans? WP is full of them. They are called "admins" over there.

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Perhaps you are confusing shamanism with shamism? Though I admit that Jimbo's suggestion to Rachel Marsden that he could interceed with the proper people to fix up her BLP, before banging her, was sort of a cross between both. yecch.gif
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post Tue 24th March 2009, 4:32pm
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In light of the recent SlimVirgin scandal, and Wikipedia Review's heavy role in exposing the truth, a lot more people have been looking at Wikipedia Review posts, and we have had a number of new people sign up. To those people: welcome.

Signing up is risky, as Wikipedia currently lists Wikipedia Review as an attack site, hence if you join here, then they are well within their rights to ban you for joining here, and/or to use anything that you say on here against you on Wikipedia (including de-sysopping you, as they did for Guanaco, Karmafist and Everyking). Also note that Karmafist was banned because of a post that he made here as well. However, you can get around this by quite simply not revealing your Wikipedia username. This is up to you of course, and if you plan to make volatile attacks against Wikipedia Review, then its probably a good idea to use your Wikipedia username (Snowspinner never got in to any trouble for posting here, because he never said anything nice about Wikipedia Review). Of course, we won't be too impressed if your only reason to join here is to attack us, and we reserve the right to ban you if it gets out of hand. However, if you're already banned from Wikipedia, then you're free! Free to say what your username was, protest your ban, and so forth. The freedom of being banned!

So then why sign up? Over 75% of people who read this forum do not sign up. But one important reason to sign up is that then you can add your story to all of this. In relation to the current story, if you publish it on Wikipedia then it'll be deleted, if not perma-deleted (e.g. Kylu's posts) and in some cases they have even banned people for daring to post it (e.g. Hexrei). But here you can post freely and not worry about it being wiped.

Wikipedia has given Wikipedia Review a Parental Advisory Sticker, and we hope that you take that in the same way that you would if it was on a music compilation. It means that we are so good that Wikipedia has to censor us!


I'm happy to have signed up too. from my experience on Wikipedia, it appears that they take themselves MUCH to seriously and have lots to learn about the word "community" which, considering the lack thereof on Wikipedia is a joke ~ even today.

The common experience most Wikipedia users have had is that the system there seems to collapse on itself every couple of months. Moreover, Wikipedia hates experts in ANY field, which is usually seen Wiki admins pretending to be able to "overule" something based on a person's "virtual behavior" while at the same time ignoring all the rude activity over there.

Wikipedia is already known for not being a site one can trust for good information. Most people I know who've used Wikipedia and had the experience of trial and error via the poison penners on that site admit to not using or trusting the information based on the fact that Wikipedia does not monitior it's own sight very well (but loves to monitor sites that are critical of Wikipedia) such as some of the admins who read this site daily, and come to complain about Wikipedia here out of fear of being banned from the "Wikipedia community" (if there is such a thing) forever.

What Jimbo Wales misses is a touch of the real world. What Wikipedia has become is an "exclusive" virtual world of its own where haters, poison-penners, and all manner of "expert-haters" in all fields can attack others whom they personally disagree with (without having to personally face those they disagree with.)

Banning, and playing all sorts of "head games" by Wikipedia admins really has the effect of driving down the reliability of Wikipedia. Jimbo should have anticipated this, and corrected it at least three years ago, when all the witch-hunts of hearings were peaking in the years 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008.

Many users who were positive members of Wikipedia got turned off from the site, and this is now in the thousands. You see, what happens is that when you have a group of editors/administrators who are not screened well, they begin to sit on their own fiefdoms, and create cliques, which is what has happened with Wikipedia over the years.

Naturally, a site like this rises, and of course, there are those who continue to use Wikipedia, but who are free to express the problems over there without fear of being shouted down and thrown out of the "community" ~ which isn't a community in reality, but a collection of many (not all, but lots) of Wiki users/editors/admins who just are anti-social when it comes to "community."

One can easily disagree without being disagreeable, but Jimbo Wales hasn't seen that many of th people he has "hired" to manage Wikipedia, most likely are not very good at communcating with others, and have very low tolerance values to be able to actually discern what an issue is without making it so convoluted, to the point of attacking the honest user for doing the very thing that Wikipedia's own guildlines state should be done.

Wikipedia's own admins don't follow their own rules ~ especially being kind to newcomers. They also do not tutor well at all. There is the introductory "hello" ~ and then that's that. You are on your own, and often, this means that the user is open to the poison penners, sharks, and all those who continue to edit pages on Wikipedia as if they actually "own" the very knowledge they edit.

One can certainly have the right to one's own opinions ~ but not to one's own facts. And that is what Wikipedia doesn't get.


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post Tue 28th April 2009, 2:18am
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Hi all. Some interesting comments. I myself joined wikipedia many years ago with no idea what it was. I surfed in and scanned the first few pages of rules(they are longer than encyclopedia brittanica) to get a gist of what was going on.

It said feel free to dive in and don't worry about making mistakes. So I did.

This included adding a few links to the external link sections or indeed creating such a section. Now I don't know who gets to decide which links are relevant and which aren't but I was soon banned and called a vandal.

I worked in the security industry for over a decade. Often chasing down real vandals. You know, kids who like to smash public toilets and spray paint graffiti on trains. Calling me a Vandal is a great way to get a black eye. Unfortunately the cowards over at Wikipedia turned down my offers of a personal one on one meeting to settle matters.

Its so easy to insult people online isn't it.

So I decided if I was going to be called a Vandal then I'd better be the best Vandal possible to earn the title. I hate wikipedia and vandalise it every opportunity I get now. Wikipedian administrators are lying scum. Despite the fact that most people here don't want to see wikipedia destroyed I'm of a different mind on the matter. But I think it will self destruct at some point. Possibly after somebody sues it.

My user name was Universe_Daily. Tried to correct a number of lies about me on that user page but every time I do I'm just banned again.

Thankyou for creating a wonderful source of interesting news concerning Jimmy Wales and Wikipedia. Thank you also for allowing me to join your discussions.

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Hello all,

I've had experience of Wikipedia on-and-off for years; I started editing mostly as an IP editor but stopped after a while because despite making more of an effort to work within the policies than many editors, and trying to be civil and reasonable, the rudeness I was treated with as an IP editor simply made me uncomfortable and unwilling to edit. I've never been much for participating in the MMORPGism inherent to a lot of editing over there, but unfortunately got hooked on the Wikipedia Soap Opera before I knew what happened.

I've been reading WR for quite some time now but I decided to join mostly so I can go "behind the scenes" as it were with the non-public fora; and who knows - maybe I'll have something to contribute as well. I can't promise insightful commentary, since I'm more of a voyeur than a gadfly, but I'll try if the situation takes me. smile.gif

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QUOTE(Daxx @ Fri 10th July 2009, 1:24pm) *
I've been reading WR for quite some time now but I decided to join mostly so I can go "behind the scenes" as it were with the non-public fora; and who knows - maybe I'll have something to contribute as well. I can't promise insightful commentary, since I'm more of a voyeur than a gadfly, but I'll try if the situation takes me. smile.gif

Welcome to WR, Mr. Daxx... I guess this might be as good a time as any to apologize to all new members for our decision to hide the non-public forums from them until they make at least 5 posts.

Sorry about that!
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QUOTE(Somey @ Fri 10th July 2009, 7:29pm) *

QUOTE(Daxx @ Fri 10th July 2009, 1:24pm) *
I've been reading WR for quite some time now but I decided to join mostly so I can go "behind the scenes" as it were with the non-public fora; and who knows - maybe I'll have something to contribute as well. I can't promise insightful commentary, since I'm more of a voyeur than a gadfly, but I'll try if the situation takes me. smile.gif

Welcome to WR, Mr. Daxx... I guess this might be as good a time as any to apologize to all new members for our decision to hide the non-public forums from them until they make at least 5 posts.

Sorry about that!


No problem at all; I think it's a reasonable decision. Frankly there's a lot to wikipolitics which is just downright malicious and doesn't need to be made available for public consumption, and five posts isn't too onerous.

Thanks for the welcome.
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QUOTE(Daxx @ Fri 10th July 2009, 1:24pm) *
I've been reading WR for quite some time now but I decided to join mostly so I can go "behind the scenes" as it were with the non-public fora; and who knows - maybe I'll have something to contribute as well. I can't promise insightful commentary, since I'm more of a voyeur than a gadfly, but I'll try if the situation takes me. smile.gif

Welcome to WR, Mr. Daxx... I guess this might be as good a time as any to apologize to all new members for our decision to hide the non-public forums from them until they make at least 5 posts.

Sorry about that!


No problem at all; I think it's a reasonable decision. Frankly there's a lot to wikipolitics which is just downright malicious and doesn't need to be made available for public consumption, and five posts isn't too onerous.

Thanks for the welcome.


Daxx, I think that this video will help you understand what to expect from WR and how to participate in our discussions. wink.gif
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But lately I'm thinking it's an online encylopedia run by amateurs for amateurs.


That last line said it all for me.
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I'm a newcomer too, just an observer of wikipedia's politics.
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Hi I thought I'd try to inject some comments from a semi-detached angle. smile.gif
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Hello

Just posting a reply to confirm that I can (just signed up)

Sorry if it's the wrong place.

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Hi all!

Hmm...is there some sort of autoconfirmed mechanism that I'm missing here? Seeing as how I'm not allowed to view my own profile or anything...
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Hmm...is there some sort of autoconfirmed mechanism that I'm missing here? Seeing as how I'm not allowed to view my own profile or anything...

Sort of. Post a few times, making salient, insightful points, and I'm sure things will sort themselves out. In any case, welcome!

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Hi all!

Hmm...is there some sort of autoconfirmed mechanism that I'm missing here? Seeing as how I'm not allowed to view my own profile or anything...

Yes, I had the same problem but it magically cleared up after a few posts. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Tintomara @ Thu 1st October 2009, 12:12pm) *

Hi all!

Hmm...is there some sort of autoconfirmed mechanism that I'm missing here? Seeing as how I'm not allowed to view my own profile or anything...

Sort of. Post a few times, making salient, insightful points, and I'm sure things will sort themselves out. In any case, welcome!


Okay, thanks. The Random article button seems to be is missing though...
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Hello everyone. Been on and off WP for ages really. I keep kidding myself that it's just me being precious about endless bitching and all the politics.

But it's not, is it? biggrin.gif

Stay safe wherever you are.
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Hello everyone. Been on and off WP for ages really. I keep kidding myself that it's just me being precious about endless bitching and all the politics.

But it's not, is it? biggrin.gif

Stay safe wherever you are.


Greetings, Old Niner oldtimer.gif

There must be a 7 of 9 joke in here somewhere, but I'm late for a very important date, so I'll just throw it out to the group.

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