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Michaeldsuarez
post Fri 29th June 2012, 1:36pm
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http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_fo..._Defense_League:

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Recently, the Wikimedia Foundation was approached by the founders of an organization called the Internet Defense League (Wikipedia article, their website) which is soon to be launched. The founders would like the Foundation to join the League. However, the online community as a whole is the heart of this proposed grassroots movement and therefore, the Foundation would like guidance from the community as to whether or not the community feels the Foundation should join this effort.


Let's hear what you think about the proposal.

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post Fri 29th June 2012, 8:12pm
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Is this an organisation of extreme Freikultur enthusiasts? Or is it a front for those who make much money from others' work and wish not to lose their golden goose?
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post Sat 30th June 2012, 10:56pm
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QUOTE(Fusion @ Fri 29th June 2012, 11:12pm) *

Is this an organisation of extreme Freikultur enthusiasts? Or is it a front for those who make much money from others' work and wish not to lose their golden goose?


Can someone help me refine an argument (or point my error) where I feel I'm on uncertain ground because geekery challenges me.

It seems to me there's a fundamental inconsistency in Wikipedia blocking proxy servers and VPN addresses (as it does, including the enire TOR network), while at the same Jimmy Wales is supporting the cause of Richard O'Dwyer whose site TVShack depends on users being able to use proxy servers or VPN addresses to avoid sanctions from their IPS, or even to access TVShack in the first place. Is that indeed so, or am I being wrongheaded here?

And can someone hazard for me please a reliable guess at what Jimmy Wales' position would be about downloading a film from Usenet someone else has uploaded onto Usenet. As I understand the only possibly illegal action here was to upload the film in the first place (thus making it available to all). Downloading it is arguably not illegal, so I have seen it claimed, nor is it illegal for a site to collect and publish NZB files allowing you to download these files, since they are not providing the content.

Is all that a defensible position? Is this what Jimmy Wales would claim? And crucially, if he claims it's legal to publish these NZBs and use them to download films for free, is he also then saying that it is morally acceptable to do so, that this is the issue he is really campaigning on.

It seems to me that his defense of Richard O'Dwyer is necessarily predicated on these positions

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post Sun 1st July 2012, 8:01am
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I was gonna say, doesn't EFF make it obsolete? Then I read "Who has joined so far? WordPress, Imgur, Electronic Frontier Foundation, Public Knowledge, Fark, Reddit, Craig Newmark's CraigConnects, Cheezburger Family Network, OpenCongress/PPF, TechDirt, Patrick Ruffini, Elizabeth Stark, Marvin Ammori, Doll Divine, Songmeanings, ROFLCON, Identi.ca, Electronic Consumers Association, Fight for the Future, Hypemachine, Boing Boing"
Hmm cool.

Not sure if Wikipedia's example is good people to be giving advuce though, argh! Their approach to "freedom" is rather like Jimmy's Rand-roid Libertarianism, 'freedom' for those with the most money to influence as they wish as long as they don't admit it. hrmph.gif






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post Sun 1st July 2012, 5:44pm
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They are a weird political group and will probably amount to weirdness.
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Michaeldsuarez
post Mon 2nd July 2012, 2:45pm
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http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?titl...7&oldid=3869763

Holmes Wilson from "Fight for the Future" has provided his or her viewpoint and response.

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post Tue 3rd July 2012, 10:09am
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Sun 1st July 2012, 6:44pm) *

They are a weird political group and will probably amount to weirdness.

That sounds kind of similar to how some try to dismiss WR though. Is this because they oppose the Republican party stances? wink.gif
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post Wed 4th July 2012, 7:24pm
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The discussion has been closed:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?titl...4&oldid=3874759

http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?titl...7&oldid=3871727

The WMF won't be joining the Internet Defense League.

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Mr.Treason II
post Thu 12th July 2012, 6:41am
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QUOTE(Fusion @ Fri 29th June 2012, 9:12pm) *

Is this an organisation of extreme Freikultur enthusiasts? Or is it a front for those who make much money from others' work and wish not to lose their golden goose?


Yup... the IDF is an unelected unaccountable organization with a history of corruption, fraud and dirty e-warfare.
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