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It appears that this request for arbitration concerning the use of POV geographical terms for disputed territory in the Israel/Palestine area will be accepted. If G-Dett's statement is correct, and I believe that it is, I think she'll be making a strong case in her evidence section that at least some of the pro-Israel POV-pushers are acting in bad faith. It appears to me that the pro-Israel editors will try to focus on labeling MeteorMaker as the Bozo.

If G-Dett makes her case, and I believe she will, I hope that ArbCom will put their foot down and hand out some topic bans, if not more severe sanctions if necessary. Although I'm sure that not all of the pro-Palestinian editors are blameless, the continuous, arrogant POV pushing by the pro-Israel editors, including one in particular who is still enjoys high-level admin privileges for some reason, is greatly damaging to Wikipedia's credibility and I hope something finally gets done about it.
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Au contraire.

I think that this: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Allegations of apartheid was the most farcical case involving Jayjg. This was when Jayjg and cronies, furious at not being able to remove their hated Israel and Apartheid article, conspire to create a whole series of controversial articles on every nation on the planet "and allegations of Apartheid". Swamping deletion debates with coordinated cronies to keep each and every one of the offending articles. Essentially setting light to half of Wikipedia in their fury.

This act was perhaps the most disruptive WP:POINT escapade in the site's history. And Jayjg got away with it.

QUOTE(trenton @ Mon 27th April 2009, 11:52pm) *

SlimVirgin and the usual gang suit up to defend Jayjg and turn the workshop into a meandering mess; there's a nice little conversation between SlimVirgin and 6SJ7 about how PR could still be a holocaust denier and how he could still be a visitor to the holocaust denial website, they just don't know; there's a nice little insinuation by SlimVirgin (who obviously hasn't read the book) that PR got his material from the holocaust denial web site because of some verbiage that appears in the website but not in the book (execept, ooops.... it's pointed out later by someone who has read the book that that verbiage does appear in the book). Basically the usual misdirection, false accusations, innuendo, and clouding the issue that these guys are so good at.


Here's a great quote. Having conceded that PalestineRemembered didn't get the cite from a Holocaust denial site and that the allegation was false, Slim notes that PalestineRemembered going to such as site is "not beyond the bounds of real possibility"! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

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The point is that PalestineRemembered has edited in such a way that his taking material from a Holocaust denial site is not beyond the bounds of real possibility, given his obsession with "Zionists."

Marvellous. It's like Witch-Trials never happened.
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QUOTE(Kato @ Mon 27th April 2009, 4:20pm) *

Au contraire.

I think that this: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Allegations of apartheid was the most farcical case involving Jayjg. This was when Jayjg and cronies, furious at not being able to remove their hated Israel and Apartheid article, conspire to create a whole series of controversial articles on every nation on the planet "and allegations of Apartheid". Swamping deletion debates with coordinated cronies to keep each and every one of the offending articles. Essentially setting light to half of Wikipedia in their fury.

This act was perhaps the most disruptive WP:POINT escapade in the site's history. And Jayjg got away with it.

QUOTE(trenton @ Mon 27th April 2009, 11:52pm) *

SlimVirgin and the usual gang suit up to defend Jayjg and turn the workshop into a meandering mess; there's a nice little conversation between SlimVirgin and 6SJ7 about how PR could still be a holocaust denier and how he could still be a visitor to the holocaust denial website, they just don't know; there's a nice little insinuation by SlimVirgin (who obviously hasn't read the book) that PR got his material from the holocaust denial web site because of some verbiage that appears in the website but not in the book (execept, ooops.... it's pointed out later by someone who has read the book that that verbiage does appear in the book). Basically the usual misdirection, false accusations, innuendo, and clouding the issue that these guys are so good at.


Here's a great quote. Having conceded that PalestineRemembered didn't get the cite from a Holocaust denial site and that the allegation was false, Slim notes that PalestineRemembered going to such as site is "not beyond the bounds of real possibility"! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

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The point is that PalestineRemembered has edited in such a way that his taking material from a Holocaust denial site is not beyond the bounds of real possibility, given his obsession with "Zionists."

Marvellous. It's like Witch-Trials never happened.

Good times. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)
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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Wed 29th April 2009, 3:09pm) *

QUOTE(Kato @ Mon 27th April 2009, 4:20pm) *

Here's a great quote. Having conceded that PalestineRemembered didn't get the cite from a Holocaust denial site and that the allegation was false, Slim notes that PalestineRemembered going to such as site is "not beyond the bounds of real possibility"! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

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The point is that PalestineRemembered has edited in such a way that his taking material from a Holocaust denial site is not beyond the bounds of real possibility, given his obsession with "Zionists."

Marvellous. It's like Witch-Trials never happened.

Good times. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

Anyone remember "Alice in Wonderland"; where the Queen punish you for the sins you might commit? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)
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QUOTE(The Adversary @ Wed 29th April 2009, 4:17pm) *

Anyone remember "Alice in Wonderland"; where the Queen punish you for the sins you might commit? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

Watch your tongue, you Giant Egg.
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More comedy here from that old PalestineRemembered arbitration case.

So Jayjg went to the Admins noticeboard to publicly make a false allegation about PalestineR sourcing Holocaust Denial websites. Then people complained vociferously about the allegation. But according to Slim, it's actually their fault, not Jayjg's:

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I believe in being responsible and using common sense. What a responsible admin would have done in this case is quietly e-mail Jay and point out to him that there was evidence that PR had taken the material from a legit source.
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Cla68   New Israel/Palestine ArbCom case  
Herschelkrustofsky   Very interesting. Typically, Jayjg has not yet dei...  
Milton Roe   It appears that this request for arbitration conc...  
Cla68   [quote name='Cla68' post='158695' date='Thu 26th ...  
Herschelkrustofsky   I doubt that anyone who edits Wikipedia is comple...  
the fieryangel   I don't know why anybody bothers to even follo...  
EricBarbour   I don't know why anybody bothers to even foll...  
Tarc   I don't know why anybody bothers to even foll...  
gomi   Jayjg's M.O., which I believe he will use in t...  
Deacon   I look very much forward to seeing how this case p...  
CharlotteWebb   I look very much forward to seeing how this case ...  
Deacon   I look very much forward to seeing how this case...  
Dzonatas   *me adds reply about the conflict of ArbCom case o...  
LamontStormstar   I remember people speculated Jayjg has now been so...  
Dzonatas   I think it is hard to dismiss the fact that Israel...  
Milton Roe   Those who are against the Likud movement choice o...  
Dzonatas   Curious about whether or not within Israel, are t...  
Dzonatas   From the Likud Party's charter: Most notably,...  
Cla68   Just as I thought would happen, G-Dett and others ...  
Proabivouac   I'd given this some thought over the past few ...  
gomi   I'd given this some thought over the past few ...  
Cla68   Ouch. By the way, it looks like Jaakobou has been...  
LamontStormstar   Jayjg did WTC. PS: This is not about any group, t...  
EricBarbour   Amazing, simply beyond belief. G-Dett must have ...  
It's the blimp, Frank   G-Dett must have some kind of supernatural Jew-pr...  
Milton Roe   [quote name='EricBarbour' post='159803' date='Fri...  
Dzonatas   There is no evidence that any of these character...  
Cla68   Jayjg has presented some evidence, responded to on...  
EuroSceptic   Jayjg has presented some evidence, responded to o...  
Cla68   [quote name='Cla68' post='160667' date='Wed 11th ...  
Milton Roe   [quote name='Cla68' post='160667' date='Wed 11th...  
Tarc   And he's been [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/i...  
Rhindle   G-dett appears to be a front runner for next year...  
Doc glasgow   Wikipedia has a Zionist/Israeli bias controlled by...  
Herschelkrustofsky   Wikipedia has a Zionist/Israeli bias controlled b...  
EricBarbour   That's typical Jay. He waits till the first st...  
Herschelkrustofsky   I couldn't help but think of Wikipedia today w...  
Cla68   I couldn't help but think of Wikipedia today ...  
Herschelkrustofsky   I just [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?t...  
Milton Roe   [quote name='Cla68' post='160856' date='Wed 11th ...  
Milton Roe   I couldn't help but think of Wikipedia today ...  
Rhindle   This looks pretty damning.  
Cla68   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reque...  
Herschelkrustofsky   By the way, it lasted about [url=http://en.wikipe...  
Cla68   By the way, it lasted about [url=http://en.wikip...  
Lar   My question is, why didn't GHCool try to find...  
Cla68   My question is, why didn't GHCool try to fin...  
Milton Roe   [quote name='Cla68' post='160902' date='Wed 11th...  
Cla68   Why? Umm, if you don't want to do a thing, or ...  
Herschelkrustofsky   IronDuke, who appears to be one of them, [url=htt...  
Milton Roe   [quote name='Milton Roe' post='161057' date='Thu ...  
Cla68   Sometimes non-POV editing is just about impossible...  
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   See latest post, here: Leading Wikipedia editor Da...  
Mackan   That's good analysis. It may be petty, but ...  
Cla68   That's good analysis. It may be petty, but...  
Herschelkrustofsky   I think the Post took Freeman to task was because...  
Dzonatas   Consider how Freeman became appointed AND confirme...  
Herschelkrustofsky   As for the neocons, Obama seems to have already r...  
Dzonatas   There are striking parallels here to the [url=htt...  
Milton Roe   Consider how Freeman became appointed AND confirm...  
Dzonatas   Like they care about their "image" more...  
Cla68   I suspect that the ArbCom may vote on topic bans f...  
gomi   I suspect that the ArbCom may vote on topic bans f...  
EricBarbour   Interesting. Brewcrewer, Canadian Monkey, ChrisO, ...  
Milton Roe   Interesting. Brewcrewer, Canadian Monkey, ChrisO,...  
Cla68   I'm biased of course, but I believe that this ...  
The Adversary   I'm biased of course, but I believe that [url...  
Cla68   [quote name='Cla68' post='170473' date='Mon 27th ...  
KimvdLinde   I'm biased of course, but I believe that this...  
gomi   Good for Kirill Lokshin, finally calling Jayjg on ...  
Cla68   Good for Kirill Lokshin, finally calling Jayjg on...  
Milton Roe   Those are strong words by Kirill. If being allow...  
EricBarbour   Is this 6SJ7 thing a sockpuppet, Jay's attor...  
Heat   Is this 6SJ7 thing a sockpuppet, Jay's atto...  
tarantino   Is this 6SJ7 thing a sockpuppet, Jay's attorn...  
trenton   Well, I see that no one has mentioned one of the m...  
gomi   Well, I see that no one has mentioned one of the ...  
The Adversary   [quote name='trenton' post='170655' date='Mon 27t...  
KimvdLinde   Oh yes. And note that the person who got Palesti...  
Cla68   Jpgordan shows up to tell PR to basically suck it ...  
Lar   More comedy here from that old PalestineRemembere...  
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The Joy   Shouldn't opposes have detailed rationales tha...  
Cla68   Shouldn't opposes have detailed rationales th...  
EricBarbour   Well, I hope that the next book written on Wikiped...  
Warui desu   Shouldn't opposes have detailed rationales th...  
Kato   The "evidence"* at this case is a riot. ...  
Eva Destruction   "Giant egg"? Is that a personal attac...  
Heat   An arb has noticed Jayjg's "lack of parti...  
Milton Roe   An arb has noticed Jayjg's "lack of part...  
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Cla68   I am concerned about the obligatory show of ...  
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Cla68   Yeah, the remedies are kinda bizarre. One side wa...  
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trenton   Well, if they hadn't edit warred they would p...  
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gomi   [quote name='trenton' post='171957' date='Wed 6th ...  
GlassBeadGame   As has been said before: "Wikipedia is a sy...  
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trenton   [quote name='No one of consequence' post='171980' ...  
pedrito   Well, if they hadn't edit warred they would p...  
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Casliber   Dang! This makes WP perceptibly more credible...  
EricBarbour   This makes WP perceptibly more credible. Um.........  
Heat   Ding-dong the witch is dead.  
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tarantino   ... as I understand this is the first time such a...  
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Jon Awbrey   Sorry, but what part of [i][b]"You cannot f...  
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Snowey   Ding dong.  
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trenton   rights removed (request) SV's opportunism is...  
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The Adversary   So, finally, finally over. Ok, I have mixed feeli...  
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trenton   according to this, while Mr. Jayjg has not been ed...  
Herschelkrustofsky   according to [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi...  
Casliber   So, finally, finally over. Ok, I have mixed feel...  
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One   Records indicate that in 2006 Jayjg twice lost hi...  
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