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It will never go away JIMMY; sorry that we do not have the same paradigm of infinite tolerance in the real world. Run an organization like a hive and and there will be killer bees as well as workers.

Durova runs a sting operation within his WP. I think he (Jimmy) is making a very grave error by not looking into the facts.

This will come back to bite him where it really hurts...wherever that may be. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

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Giano has now posted Durova's "top secret" evidence:

'''OK Jimbo. You want a loving encyclopedia''' - So do I but I don't find the paste below from Durova which constitutes her "evidence" as particularly loving - do you? I would advise everyone to be very careful of making even the most innocent edit. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 16:59, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

So here it is the diffs are pathetic the narrative describing one of our respected editors, who I know well, repulsive. Happy with that are you Jimbo, you think an Admin like Durova will foster your happy loving encyclopedia?"

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Durova's Evidence

Nobody's put their finger on this yet in a systematic way. Maybe it's for lack of time; maybe people's brains are wired differently. I need to show you not just what Wikipedia Review is doing to us, but how they're doing it.

And I'm setting this forth as a brief seminar so you can do more than recognize when it's presented to you; you can find these signs yourselves.

The one thing I have to ask is that you all be very tight lipped about this.

First, the good news:

1. They're working from the same playbook.
2. They don't know this list exists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=167325471

Now, the case study:

Here's a troublemaker whose username is two exclamation points with no letters. !!

It's what I would call "ripened sock" - a padded history of redirects, minor edits, and some DYK work. Some of the folks at WR do this to game the community's good faith. I can tell immediately that it's not the user's first account. Soon you'll see the telltale signs as quickly as I do.

A. In their efforts to deceive us, they forget that new users haven't learned edit summaries and wikimarkup.

Edit summary on the first edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=141874955

Correct use of page links on the second edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=141877151

Knows how to create line references on the third edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=142914869

Creates an appropriately formatted stub on the fourth edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=142927003

B. They do wikignome work far too early in the account history to be genuine wikignomes. The purpose is to pad the account history with a track record of positive contributions that will insulate them against the banhammer later on.

Redirects a page on the seventh edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=144015208

This user favors redirects and stub creations. Others do RC patrol or copyediting. They continue for days, weeks, or perhaps a few months playing "useful editor."

C. Many of them tip their hands occasionally during the preparation phase.

Obscene trolling; knows German:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=156788817

This user slips for the joy of trolling. Others let down their guard momentarily for WR-related incidents. Look for behavior that seems out of character such as a sudden cluster of talk page posts or odd edit summaries.

D. They are team players.

Here's the sock moving all of Giano's talk archives. No stranger is this much of a good Samaritan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=162747326

Now the moves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=163062162
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=163062161
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...ve_6_%282007%29 &diff=prev&oldid=163062164
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=163062163
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=163062167
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=163062166
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=163062248
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=163062247
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=163062253
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=163062252
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=163062257
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=163062256
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=163062262
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=163062263

E. They grow bold when they believe the account has ripened into the appearance of a legitimate editor.

I doubt Bishonen knew what this account really was. By now it looks legit to most editors. The nasty side shows itself, though:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=162335262

F. When the sock is fully ripened it heads over to disputes and takes extremist positions for no apparent reason.

This rocket-to-the-sky pattern among ripened socks contrasts against sincere but troubled editors, who follow an arc with some visible cause and effect.

For contrast:

A regular problem editor will decide Wikipedia has problems after breaking 3RR and getting turned down for an unblock request.

A ripened sock heads doesn't need to be coaxed to the dark side; it just heads over to a discussion and screams foul while its own reputation is clean as a whistle.

So by the time Jimbo does something controversial, most Wikipedians don't get more than a sense of vague unease about this account's behavior. The sock is fully ripened, the account well established, and the troll has teammates to create or obstruct consensus if anyone intervenes. I have a hunch the skilled trolls wait for events that they know will cause a lot of flurried attention onsite so the sudden launching of full implementation is less likely to be noticed in the crowd.

Here's the sock helping the team, along with some free range sarcasm and troublemaking:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=168176874
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=168213973
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=168209114
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=168487235
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=168631084

G Many trolls can't resist the temptation to gloat.

Still doubt me?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=168171012

Looking ahead:

Foremost, please keep mum! Many of these mistakes can be corrected and these people are very patient. They will change tactics and get even more careful if they realize how we spot them.
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Piperdown   Awesome. IRC use must be a banned.  
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Disillusioned Lackey   JE NE REGRETTE RIEN Looks like her apology was ...  
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guy   Isn't Durova the admin most vociferous in asse...  
jorge   Isn't Durova the admin most vociferous in ass...  
Disillusioned Lackey   [quote name='guy' post='61033' date='Mon 19th Nov...  
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jorge   Well done Ms Durova, another productive user gone ...  
Moulton   Well done Ms Durova, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org...  
Firsfron of Ronchester   Isn't Durova the admin most vociferous in ass...  
Piperdown   Isn't Durova the admin most vociferous in as...  
KamrynMatika   Well, at least her victim isn't taking it lyin...  
Disillusioned Lackey   MORE JUSTIFICATIONS (yawn) A Kohs, by any o...  
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tarantino   Jehochman and Durova are complaining that Krimpet ...  
Jonny Cache   One problem I see, though, the ip's not actua...  
Amarkov   [quote name='tarantino' post='61076' date='Mon 19...  
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Aloft   It would appear that "!!" really...  
Disillusioned Lackey   [color=#009900]It would appear that "!...  
thekohser   It would appear that "!!" reall...  
Aloft   What did it say, basically?He complained that as a...  
jorge   Giano says:  
jorge   OK, I think !! is [redacted]. [redacted] s...  
Disillusioned Lackey   Ahem. She doesn't HAVE access to checkuser ...  
Aloft   Ahem. She doesn't HAVE access to checkuser to...  
Miltopia   Durova deserves all of the harm that comes to her ...  
Moulton   IP 24.19.33.82 has two mutually inconsistent rever...  
Disillusioned Lackey   Sorry to be a pedant, Durova, but Runcorn, Poetl...  
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Miltopia   Disgusting. !!'s talk page is blanked...  
Moulton   See, that's the problem with Pogroms and Ethni...  
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Somey   So does anyone know why [redacted] wanted to chang...  
Disillusioned Lackey   If he was part of that whole [redacted]/[redacted...  
Aloft   Yet more Durova block mistakes: http://en.wikiped...  
Disillusioned Lackey   Aloft & Jorge Hey, can you please delete the ...  
Aloft   Aloft, Hey, can you please delete the "gues...  
jorge   What he doesn't need is for us to write his f...  
Disillusioned Lackey   It's a bit too late now given the amount of t...  
jorge   And why not delete it deleted as requested.  
Disillusioned Lackey   Thx much.  
msharma   You do realise that now that you've caught the...  
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Piperdown   Swatjester's community patience has been exhau...  
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Moulton   A desyop and banning seems to be in order here. W...  
The Joy   A desyop and banning seems to be in order here. ...  
Moulton   So, it would be better for her to change herself o...  
Disillusioned Lackey   Oh she's SUCH a wuss. This was a perfectly ...  
Disillusioned Lackey   Apparently this was the origin of her .1000 batt...  
Disillusioned Lackey   Is this a serious question? Any sane person wo...  
Robster   Durova: Sen. McCarthy: Durova for ArbCom! ...  
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Piperdown   Aw, snap !! Check out the part where he me...  
everyking   There's a lot of discussion about Durova getti...  
Amarkov   There's a lot of discussion about Durova gett...  
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Amarkov   Well that's the theory behind Wikipedia, i...  
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thekohser   ... DfA bumpersticker (don't know how you for...  
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Emperor   Here is an [example redacted] that got Jimbo ups...  
Disillusioned Lackey   Here is an [example redacted] that got Jimbo up...  
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Emperor   You guys have to be kidding. It's not Kira...  
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KamrynMatika   Durova's evidence HAHAHAHA oh wow what a ...  
Derktar   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Admin...  
Disillusioned Lackey   And I found this rather funny: [url=http://en.wi...  
thekohser   Durova's evidence ... oh wow what a 'co...  
WhispersOfWisdom   I love the idea that finally, Jimmy Wales will hav...  
Disillusioned Lackey   Certainly, Durova is finished as in “toast...  
Bob Boy   One thing is pretty clear - Durova's ArbCom ca...  
Daniel Brandt   One thing is pretty clear - Durova's ArbCom c...  
WhispersOfWisdom   One thing is pretty clear - Durova's ArbCom c...  
GlassBeadGame   One thing is pretty clear - Durova's ArbCom c...  
KamrynMatika   Hahaha. Giano is priceless. I'm loving the q...  
Aloft   So I'm guessing that Giano was the alleged oth...  
Derktar   It's so entertaining for so many arbcom candid...  
The Joy   So I'm guessing that Giano was the alleged ot...  
Moulton   I don't think justice will be served. Wikipedi...  
Aloft   He exercised his right to vanish under his previou...  
The Joy   He exercised his right to vanish under his previo...  
Moulton   It's like Valjean being continuously chased by...  
Somey   Hard security doesn't work. In this case with...  
Jonny Cache   But I'm just stating the obvious here, I supp...  
thekohser   Still, I don't think justice will be served. ...  
Moulton   After all the dust has settled, Durova can carry o...  
WhispersOfWisdom   Banning is totally useless with dynamic IP address...  
Disillusioned Lackey   Banning is totally useless with dynamic IP addres...  
Somey   Particularly when you consider that she's the...  
Daniel Brandt   Essjay started bragging about his deception on Feb...  
Somey   Where was her famous Internet sleuthing when it wa...  
Disillusioned Lackey   HOLY SHIT This has hit the online press. I was w...  
jorge   Interesting conversation on Giano's page where...  
Disillusioned Lackey   Interesting conversation on Giano's page wher...  
the fieryangel   Well, he is Italian. They 'invented' bl...  
Disillusioned Lackey   As I said. Sicilians are not to be trifled wit...  
the fieryangel   Something else to throw in the hopper : IP addre...  
jorge   If the evidence which Durova provided was really ...  
Disillusioned Lackey   If the evidence which Durova was provided was rea...  
Disillusioned Lackey   Two days later, she was apparently all excited ab...  
thekohser   She'sd have killed to be in his movie. Even ...  
Jonny Cache   [quote name='Disillusioned Lackey' post='61581' d...  
Disillusioned Lackey   [quote name='Disillusioned Lackey' post='61581' d...  
thekohser   Two days later, she was apparently all excited ab...  
Disillusioned Lackey   On a more serious note, though -- they're tal...  
WhispersOfWisdom   It appears that Durova will not be available for r...  
WhispersOfWisdom   http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid...  
the fieryangel   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wi...  
Bob Boy   http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid...  
Robster   http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldi...  
jorge   And says absolutely nothing. What he does say in...  
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='Bob Boy' post='61622' date='Thu 22nd...  
Moulton   If anyone else frequently wandered into disputes w...  
GlassBeadGame   If anyone else frequently wandered into disputes ...  
Bob Boy   I see that Mercury, who protected the ANI subpage,...  
everyking   I see that Mercury, who protected the ANI subpage...  
Moulton   Yeah, he had another username and changed it recen...  
Bob Boy   [quote name='everyking' post='61677' date='Thu 22...  
Moulton   Looks like a meatpuppet to me. They're pretty ...  
Jonny Cache   I see that [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use...  
Derktar   I see that [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User...  
jorge   "[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:...  
jorge   I wonder what our friends at German wikipedia will...  
Moulton   Durova: Block that punk! Block that punk...  
Proabivouac   Durova's Evidence Speaking as one whoâ€...  
Bob Boy   http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid...  
Aloft   Oh man, that's classic. I hope someone takes ...  
jorge   Oh man, that's classic. Knows German! :o  
Jonny Cache   Oh man, that's classic. Knows German! ...  
Moulton   Knows German! :o Schadenfreude?  
Jonny Cache   [quote name='jorge' post='61649' date='Thu 22nd N...  
jorge   [quote name='jorge' post='61649' date='Thu 22nd ...  
Jonny Cache   Okay, Dudes and Dudesses, we can close up shop now...  
dtobias   What list exactly is it that "they" (the...  
Bob Boy   http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...ablis...  
Aloft   She has an email list of perceived fellow sleuths,...  
Derktar   Too bad, Guy was a bit too slow on the draw. So c...  
Aloft   Giano just re-added it. Prediction: JzG goes batsh...  
everyking   Mercury has protected the page.  
Moulton   Schadenfreude Theatre Presents: Fear and Loathing...  
Bob Boy   http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...r_tal...  
Aloft   And now JzG is deleting revisions from Giano's...  
Derktar   Because we really needed Durova's SUPER-SLEU...  
Moulton   Once the toothpaste is out of the tube, the egg on...  
cyofee   The fun has moved to Giano's talkpage. This is...  
Jonny Cache   The fun has moved to Giano's talkpage. This i...  
WhispersOfWisdom   The artificial intelligence! What a riot...  
KamrynMatika   Hahahaha oh my god hahahahah. This entire thing is...  
jorge   Hahahaha oh my god hahahahah. This entire thing i...  
Derktar   [quote name='KamrynMatika' post='61698' date='Thu...  
Aloft   Hahahaha oh my god hahahahah.That's hilarious...  
Robster   Since I fully expect this to go down the memory ho...  
Aloft   The plot thickens... The revisions that JzG delet...  
Cedric   Our Favorite English Cyclist totally misses the po...  
Robster   It's fun watching all of the Durova supporters...  
The Joy   It would be interesting if her "investigation...  
Bob Boy   It would be interesting if her "investigatio...  
Derktar   [quote name='The Joy' post='61729' date='Thu 22nd...  
Bob Boy   An RFC is opened to finally put a rest this mess...  
The Joy   Now the RFC redirects to the AN subpage. :blink:...  
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