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I have been to many Wikipedia review sites now, and am less than enthused with the endless ball-lessness and lukewarm debate over the ethics over ending Wikipedia Administrative Anonymity. Out of respect for the rules of Wikipedia Review, I am not posting the names here, but I will give you the link to my first dedicated Information Bomb against Wikipedia. It is now my official mission to ruin Anonymity on Wikipedia. If anyone has anything useful to contribute, consider yourselves invited to contact me. I am currently only impressed by the work of Daniel Brandt and Judd Bagley, and observe that the various forums "critical" of Wikipedia are excessively staffed by Wikipedia Admins, as evidenced by their blistering wails (Wales?) whenever solid information comes out. To whatever end, I now offer you the new WIKIPEDIA USER DATABASE at Haters Magazine http://www.contextflexed.com/storywikipediaexposed.html
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I don't really think one should have to have a degree, experience, or both. If one claims a degree or expertise, many people will trust them more if they edit articles in their field than someone who doesn't claim those things or someone who claims not to have them. I myself don't trust experts more (except for certain things), but since many others do, a user who claims a degree or expertise should state things that would prove it, such as a reference to their published, peer-reviewed report and/or a link to it on the web. The reference should be in the format Firstname Lastname, Publication (Year). lso, college records would be useful for their user page, if they saythey are an expert or a graduate and edit articles in their field. I don't think we should care that the Wikipedian in question is a Wobbly and in my opinion, it is not useful information. I think FLIPSIDE knows what I'm talking about.
Edit: One, who are you talking to/about? Edit2: Lar, I don't care whether it's self-published or not, it needs to be peer reviewed. Not necessarily by experts, because other people's points of view should be included in the Review too.
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QUOTE(bluevictim @ Wed 2nd April 2008, 2:11pm) I don't think we should care that the Wikipedian in question is a Wobbly and in my opinion, it is not useful information. I think FLIPSIDE knows what I'm talking about.
Yes I do. And it *should* not matter -- if one can be reasonably expected to rise above superficial political beliefs and act in good faith. QUOTE(proabivouac @ Today, 2:54pm)
Come on, dude. You've made it very clear that you mean to get back at Wikipedia, and this list is meant to be part of that. I accept that this tactic is justified in some instances and necessary in others, but to pretend that you're not meaning any harm here is completely insincere.
Really, you don't think you're doing people harm by posting their contact information?
I mean to bring the heat to Wikipedia as a whole, specifically the top of Wikipedia, give it a fever, what have you, until it burns out the IrishGuy infection, but not by harming individual users. I don't see this as using a scattergun against innocent bystanders. I see this as taking a few steps to change the entire Wikipedia playing board through medium sized, holistic, and not overreaching tactics. People should keep their real names out of Wikipedia flame wars. There should be no Wikipedia flame wars. I think it's called for to place a universal price tag on anonymous flaming. I agree with choosing targets. I have chosen the target of Wikipedia as transnational state or as Civ. The target was preselected from the onset of the project at MIT, and the first person kicked off Wikipedia back when it was a little blob at MIT became the first Troll/Sockpuppet of WP. I advocate a much less craven and much more firm and total alteration of the community over there as the first participant to officially be willing to Othello flip every single Wikipedian if necessary. It's not out of big headedness, it's out of determination to participate with will. This post has been edited by FLIPSIDE:
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QUOTE(FLIPSIDE @ Wed 2nd April 2008, 3:07pm) QUOTE(proabivouac @ Today, 2:54pm)
Come on, dude. You've made it very clear that you mean to get back at Wikipedia, and this list is meant to be part of that. I accept that this tactic is justified in some instances and necessary in others, but to pretend that you're not meaning any harm here is completely insincere.
Really, you don't think you're doing people harm by posting their contact information?
I mean to bring the heat to Wikipedia as a whole, specifically the top of Wikipedia, give it a fever, what have you, until it burns out the IrishGuy infection, but not by harming individual users. I don't see this as using a scattergun against innocent bystanders. I see this as taking a few steps to change the entire Wikipedia playing board through medium sized, holistic, and not overreaching tactics. It doesn't really matter what you intended by doing this. The fact is, you are invading people's privacy, when many of them have done nothing but be associated with Wikipedia.
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QUOTE(Rootology @ Wed 2nd April 2008, 5:49pm)
"Why are Wikipedia editors special creatures that are entitled to protections for their privacy that does not exist for the article subjects in Wikipedia?"
That question in italics is the thing no one can ever answer.
I agree with that question. And it is a question that Wittgenstein would say arises from a particular misunderstanding of language. After all, editors can be in fact entirely composed of computer programs. I use my Hypertext Editor to edit webpages. Why should (the deletionist) Wikipedia editors be treated differently than the dispassionate programmatic line altering functions they believe themselves to be? Under a 501 nonprofit, come one come all, user editable scenario, why shouldn't editors be treated as software offered under GNU and be decompiled, reverse engineered, cloned, and or improved? QUOTE(Alison @ Wed 2nd April 2008, 5:56pm) Actually no, let's stay with the ethics issue for a minute. Why is Vox Humana's name up there? Why is Risker's, for that matter? For that matter, why am *I* up there? All you did was copy Daniel Brandt's info, which he's already taken down. Right now it's starting to look like you just want to get at WMF by hurting as many contributors as possible, regardless of whether they're admins, BLP violators, whatever. Fair game in your "battle" against WP. I look through the list and find that it's riddled with inaccuracies, downright disinformation ( (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) ) and editors who have retired long ago. Right now, what you've done, IMO, is created a big long tl;dr list of WP editors simply because you wanna. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif) You are free to throw tantrums and make demands. My experience is that that only works if one is an Admin. It certainly doesn't work for a regular user. You are also invited to offer corrections to the onymous information pile. Being a West Coaster at the "pretty color" computer manufacturer, I understand your desire to remain on the ethical question. I am a PC/IBM person, and as you know, we are cold calculating utilitarians. This post has been edited by FLIPSIDE:
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QUOTE(FLIPSIDE @ Wed 2nd April 2008, 4:03pm) QUOTE(Alison @ Wed 2nd April 2008, 5:56pm) Actually no, let's stay with the ethics issue for a minute. Why is Vox Humana's name up there? Why is Risker's, for that matter? For that matter, why am *I* up there? All you did was copy Daniel Brandt's info, which he's already taken down. Right now it's starting to look like you just want to get at WMF by hurting as many contributors as possible, regardless of whether they're admins, BLP violators, whatever. Fair game in your "battle" against WP. I look through the list and find that it's riddled with inaccuracies, downright disinformation ( (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) ) and editors who have retired long ago. Right now, what you've done, IMO, is created a big long tl;dr list of WP editors simply because you wanna. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif) You are free to throw tantrums and make demands. My experience is that that only works if one is an Admin. It certainly doesn't work for a regular user. You are also invited to offer corrections to the onymous information pile. Being a West Coaster at the "pretty color" computer manufacturer, I understand your desire to remain on the ethical question. I am a PC/IBM person, and as you know, we are cold calculating utilitarians. All I'm doing is asking questions, just you're not answering is all. Where have I been making demands, hm? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif) Nice dig about my employer, too (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) It sounds like you're saying "neener neener. I know something abouuuuut you!!". Is that where all this is at? A power trip? This post has been edited by Alison:
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QUOTE(Alison @ Wed 2nd April 2008, 6:11pm) All I'm doing is asking questions, just you're not answering is all. Where have I been making demands, hm? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif) Nice dig about my employer, too (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) I was going to say "Please Stop." But I couldn't keep a straight face.
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