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post Thu 29th January 2009, 6:46pm
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Has Krimpet quit Wikipedia?
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post Thu 29th January 2009, 6:55pm
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Last time I checked she wasn't that active oO

Yeah, she requested bit removal http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?titl...5&oldid=1360414

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post Thu 29th January 2009, 7:06pm
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QUOTE(C H @ Thu 29th January 2009, 6:46pm) *

Has Krimpet quit Wikipedia?

I hope my comments didn't inspire this. Krimpet's done a lot of good, and she should stay.
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post Thu 29th January 2009, 7:26pm
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The fact is, I don't believe Krimpet has been getting anywhere near the support she's been hoping for in terms of stopping Mr. Jarlaxlejeremygrawpemis from continuing to reveal details about her private life on WP, ED, and also here (though it's probably a bit harder for the public to find that stuff here than on those other sites, IMO... we at least have better deletion capabilities than WP does).

I suspect that her wanting out (not a bad idea in any case, of course) is more a reaction to this thread on WikiEN-L than any particular trigger incident... A lot of people seem to think that the other person's "privacy" is just as important as hers, even though she's an admin with thousands of useful (from their perspective) contribs, and he's been nothing but a huge pain in their arses since Day One.

I mean, I have to admit, I'd be pretty pissed off too!
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post Thu 29th January 2009, 7:50pm
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QUOTE(Somey @ Thu 29th January 2009, 2:26pm) *

The fact is, I don't believe Krimpet has been getting anywhere near the support she's been hoping for in terms of stopping Mr. Jarlaxlejeremygrawpemis from continuing to reveal details about her private life on WP, ED, and also here (though it's probably a bit harder for the public to find that stuff here than on those other sites, IMO... we at least have better deletion capabilities than WP does).

I suspect that her wanting out (not a bad idea in any case, of course) is more a reaction to this thread on WikiEN-L than any particular trigger incident... A lot of people seem to think that the other person's "privacy" is just as important as hers, even though she's an admin with thousands of useful (from their perspective) contribs, and he's been nothing but a huge pain in their arses since Day One.

I mean, I have to admit, I'd be pretty pissed off too!


Normally the best response to conduct like Jeremy's intrusive and neanderthal taunting of Krimpet is to isolate the offender by simply identifying how his conduct is inappropriate. The "eye for an eye" approach is unlikely to get the offended person any relief. Unfortunately when the offended person has access to one or two massive defamation engines, and a belief that they are skilled competitors in the game of defamation, the high road is easy to overlook.
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post Thu 29th January 2009, 8:11pm
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Great! Awesome! I'm glad Krimpet has voluntary chosen to give up on Wikipedia. She's on my mental list of sysops that I don't like the actions of on Wikipedia.

Deletionism and censorship BLP faggotry is the worst along with being really anal about policies which generally leads to my dislike of a sysop in most cases.
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post Thu 29th January 2009, 8:12pm
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"An eye for an eye, and pretty soon the whole world is blind." — Mohandas K. Gandhi

But that's not the real problem.

Alison pointed out the real problem: Double standards.

Krimpet had posted Jeremy's dox, thereby setting the precedent that doing so is an acceptable practice in the WikiCulture.

Elsewhere, there are those who want to make it a hanging offense to call someone by their real name (even just their real first name) instead of their WP avatar name.

But when those same "hanging judges" engage in the self-same conduct that they propose to declare sufficient cause for summary Bill of Attainder (that's the term of art in Law for banning or ostracism), then you have a serious problem. The officials want to excuse and shrug off their own practice of "naming names" whilst using that as an excuse for invoking the cyberspace death penalty.

Given that civilized nations abandoned Bill of Attainder more than two centuries ago, it seems a bit problematic for WikiCulture to be teaching that practice to impressionable 21st Century youth today. It's one thing to teach young people about hoary and anachronistic political practices that have long since been tossed on the rubbish heap of history. It's another thing to teach impressionable youth to gleefully adopt those toxic and corrosive practices in this day and age.
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post Thu 29th January 2009, 8:13pm
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 29th January 2009, 11:50am) *

Normally the best response to conduct like Jeremy's intrusive and neanderthal taunting of Krimpet is to isolate the offender by simply identifying how his conduct is inappropriate. The "eye for an eye" approach is unlikely to get the offended person any relief. Unfortunately when the offended person has access to one or two massive defamation engines, and a belief that they are skilled competitors in the game of defamation, the high road is easy to overlook.

Nicely put.

It's too bad the Peter Pan Syndrome isn't a recognized psychiatric disorder.....
because it fits Grawp to a T. (Actually, a lot of Wiki-nerds as well. I consider him a Wiki-nerd. wink.gif )

Sad to see Krimpet go. She's not perfect either, but she never
did that kind of low grawping to others......

(Now I'm wondering how many other people Jeremy has chased off
the internet, WP or elsewhere, over the last few years. We'll never know.)
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post Thu 29th January 2009, 8:19pm
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QUOTE(lolwut @ Thu 29th January 2009, 2:11pm) *
She's on my mental list of sysops that I don't like the actions of on Wikipedia.

You're not trying to suggest that there's a list (mental or otherwise) of WP sysops whose actions you do like, are you?

And personally, I'd say defamatory faggotry is worse than censorship faggotry, if only because it actually causes most of the censorship faggotry. But that's just me.

(I'm just using the word "faggotry" so that you'll understand my point, btw.)
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post Thu 29th January 2009, 8:33pm
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QUOTE(Somey @ Thu 29th January 2009, 8:19pm) *

QUOTE(lolwut @ Thu 29th January 2009, 2:11pm) *
She's on my mental list of sysops that I don't like the actions of on Wikipedia.

You're not trying to suggest that there's a list (mental or otherwise) of WP sysops whose actions you do like, are you?

And personally, I'd say defamatory faggotry is worse than censorship faggotry, if only because it actually causes most of the censorship faggotry. But that's just me.

(I'm just using the word "faggotry" so that you'll understand my point, btw.)

I dunno, it's people like krimpet, Sceptre and that deletionist Otterathome faggot who are fucking up the Boxxy AFD and article completely. There are plenty of sources for the article, but the BLPfags just keep bawwwwing that it's not a 'reliable source' or will make any stupid non sequitur argument they can think of just to keep another editor's work out of Wikipedia.

And who really gives a fuck about whether something is non-free content or not? Sceptre erring on the side of caution with his NFCC crap on the article's talk page is faggotry of the worst kind.
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post Thu 29th January 2009, 8:38pm
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Wikipedos really seem to be far less stable then normal people.
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post Thu 29th January 2009, 8:47pm
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QUOTE(lolwut @ Thu 29th January 2009, 12:33pm) *

I dunno, it's people like krimpet, Sceptre and that deletionist Otterathome faggot who are fucking up the Boxxy AFD and article completely. There are plenty of sources for the article, but the BLPfags just keep bawwwwing that it's not a 'reliable source' or will make any stupid non sequitur argument they can think of just to keep another editor's work out of Wikipedia.

Oh Christ.....if there was anyone less deserving of a WP page, it's Boxxy.
I blogged her 2 weeks ago.

Test case for Internet war or not, she does not deserve the attention.
Others seem to agree with me.

Death to the /b/tards.

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post Thu 29th January 2009, 8:49pm
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I dunno, it's people like krimpet, Sceptre and that deletionist Otterathome faggot who are fucking up the Boxxy AFD and article completely. There are plenty of sources for the article, but the BLPfags just keep bawwwwing that it's not a 'reliable source' or will make any stupid non sequitur argument they can think of just to keep another editor's work out of Wikipedia.

And who really gives a fuck about whether something is non-free content or not? Sceptre erring on the side of caution with his NFCC crap on the article's talk page is faggotry of the worst kind.


Perhaps you haven't noticed but the word "faggotry" may not have as much persuasive or rhetorical values here as on some other sites.
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post Thu 29th January 2009, 8:54pm
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QUOTE(cyofee @ Thu 29th January 2009, 8:38pm) *

Wikipedos really seem to be far less stable then normal people.

I've noticed that too. The number of sysops that retire or get angry or do something to cause drama is quite high. Seems like something like this happens almost every month, or even multiple times a month.

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QUOTE(lolwut @ Thu 29th January 2009, 3:33pm) *


I dunno, it's people like krimpet, Sceptre and that deletionist Otterathome faggot who are fucking up the Boxxy AFD and article completely. There are plenty of sources for the article, but the BLPfags just keep bawwwwing that it's not a 'reliable source' or will make any stupid non sequitur argument they can think of just to keep another editor's work out of Wikipedia.

And who really gives a fuck about whether something is non-free content or not? Sceptre erring on the side of caution with his NFCC crap on the article's talk page is faggotry of the worst kind.


Perhaps you haven't noticed but the word "faggotry" may not have as much persuasive or rhetorical values here as on some other sites.


Yeah, I'm being lazy with my writing today because I was drinking alcohol last night and don't have the energy to come out with more coherent ways of speaking.

But really the word 'faggotry' as I used it in this context was intended to mean everything that I find irksome in the behaviour of Wikipedia's editors (and just people in the wider world more generally).
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post Thu 29th January 2009, 9:03pm
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QUOTE(C H @ Thu 29th January 2009, 6:46pm) *
Has Krimpet quit Wikipedia?

As the dear, departed Freddie would undoubtedly say :-
dmp ... dmp ... dmp ...
Another one bites the dust
... dmp ... dmp ... dmp ...
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust ...


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QUOTE(cyofee @ Thu 29th January 2009, 8:38pm) *
Perhaps you haven't noticed but the word "faggotry" may not have as much persuasive or rhetorical values here as on some other sites.

Yeah, I'm being lazy with my writing today because I was drinking alcohol last night and don't have the energy to come out with more coherent ways of speaking.

Jesus. Don't apologize, mate. Just roll with it. Just say you couldn't be arsed sounding intelligent. Don't blame the drink.
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post Thu 29th January 2009, 9:04pm
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QUOTE(Somey @ Thu 29th January 2009, 7:26pm) *


I suspect that her wanting out (not a bad idea in any case, of course) is more a reaction to this thread on WikiEN-L than any particular trigger incident... A lot of people seem to think that the other person's "privacy" is just as important as hers, even though she's an admin with thousands of useful (from their perspective) contribs, and he's been nothing but a huge pain in their arses since Day One.

I mean, I have to admit, I'd be pretty pissed off too!


It's not about his privacy, they're right, as he uses proxies, a range block won't do anything. Unfortunate, but a fact.

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I, for one, is sorry if she leaves WP. Though I don´t agree with all her actions, she has done a lot of good. I noticed her for being one of the first admins standing up to FeloniusMonk, at a time when FM still had a lot of ol´time cabal support. Brave girl.

Note to Bambi Brandt: please take Krimpet off Hive-Mind. She is no longer an admin (Lar just de-adminned her.)
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post Fri 30th January 2009, 1:05am
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I think Krimpet had gotten to a point where she was contributing to Wikipedia for the wrong reasons; a quick scan of her edits for the last few months makes that pretty clear. I cannot approve of a situation where someone is devoting extensive time to naming and shaming trolls/vandals and exposing sockpuppeteers, but not actively working on the encyclopedia; it's just not healthy, not for the person and not for the encyclopedia. Furthermore, people who are considered somehow "targets" should not be the ones fighting back against the abusers, at least not in public. People who get emotionally invested in that kind of thing, for whatever reason, need to step away and if necessary ask someone else to deal with it.
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Possibly off-topic:

ALL images and sounds which are not licensed with GFDL or Creative Commons, regardless of resolution/quality, should be erased. IT'S THE ->FREE<- ENCYCLOPEDIA. There's no point in reducing the resolution of an image to comply with fair use now AND have it orphaned and deleted by a bot months later if you can erase it NOW. The English wikipedia is probably the only one which still uses fair-use imagery, all the other big wikipedia don't use them anymore or use a very scarce quantity of them.
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And who really gives a fuck about whether something is non-free content or not?


Possibly off-topic:

ALL images and sounds which are not licensed with GFDL or Creative Commons, regardless of resolution/quality, should be erased. IT'S THE ->FREE<- ENCYCLOPEDIA. There's no point in reducing the resolution of an image to comply with fair use now AND have it orphaned and deleted by a bot months later if you can erase it NOW. The English wikipedia is probably the only one which still uses fair-use imagery, all the other big wikipedia don't use them anymore or use a very scarce quantity of them.



Go get 'em Text.
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