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A Horse With No Name
post Thu 5th March 2009, 8:57pm
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Somewhat lost in the hustle and bustle of Wiki-drama was this nervous breakdown by admin Tanthalas39 on his user page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=264562383

He came back two days later. Personally, I don't think anyone missed him. evilgrin.gif
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post Thu 5th March 2009, 9:29pm
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 5th March 2009, 3:57pm) *

He came back two days later.

Two days is the average length of any Wikipedian retirement, no?
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post Thu 5th March 2009, 9:32pm
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He came back two days later.

Two days is the average length of any Wikipedian retirement, no?



It is usually 24 hours, I think -- a good night's sleep helps knocks the sense out of the people and they return to where they left off. fear.gif
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post Thu 5th March 2009, 10:07pm
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This place is insane. Every editor on here should be purged and the project carried on by entirely fresh minds.
And yet, you returned.
Masochist. Crazy man. Fool. angry.gif

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post Thu 5th March 2009, 10:32pm
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And yet, you returned.
Masochist. Crazy man. Fool. angry.gif



Many happy returns!
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post Thu 5th March 2009, 11:16pm
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Almost without exception, every time I hear of a Wikipedia admin burnout, when I check their contributions I don't see a whole lot of article writing, just mainly admin work. This guy is no exception. Again, I believe the lack of an effective governance structure in Wikipedia contributes to admin burnout, because the admins don't really have any kind of established support foundation upon which to ground their activity, so they must feel like they're flailing away endlessly.
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post Thu 5th March 2009, 11:33pm
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 5th March 2009, 6:16pm) *
I believe the lack of an effective governance structure in Wikipedia contributes to admin burnout, because the admins don't really have any kind of established support foundation upon which to ground their activity, so they must feel like they're flailing away endlessly.

To my mind, the lack of a functional community governance model at Wikipedia is a fatal flaw. Other large projects (notably Debian Linux) have highly functional governance models that keep the project focused on producing high quality product with a minimum of sturm und drang.
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post Thu 5th March 2009, 11:47pm
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 5th March 2009, 3:16pm) *

Almost without exception, every time I hear of a Wikipedia admin burnout, when I check their contributions I don't see a whole lot of article writing, just mainly admin work. This guy is no exception. Again, I believe the lack of an effective governance structure in Wikipedia contributes to admin burnout, because the admins don't really have any kind of established support foundation upon which to ground their activity, so they must feel like they're flailing away endlessly.

That is very true indeed. And in the last 12 months, there's been more admin burnout than ever before, and not just due to the increase in absolute numbers ...
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QUOTE(Alison @ Thu 5th March 2009, 3:47pm) *
QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 5th March 2009, 3:16pm) *
Almost without exception, every time I hear of a Wikipedia admin burnout, when I check their contributions I don't see a whole lot of article writing, just mainly admin work. This guy is no exception. Again, I believe the lack of an effective governance structure in Wikipedia contributes to admin burnout, because the admins don't really have any kind of established support foundation upon which to ground their activity, so they must feel like they're flailing away endlessly.
That is very true indeed. And in the last 12 months, there's been more admin burnout than ever before, and not just due to the increase in absolute numbers ...

I say: since the flagged-revs change is dying out, and there still is no
impetus to devise a usable BLP policy, and crazies like Jayjg, MZMcBride
and JzG keep on playing stupid political games.....

Let it go. Encourage it, in fact. Let more and more people burn out.

Hopefully, people will pass negative opinions of how Wikipedia operates,
and the bad word-of-mouth will discourage more and more of those
young students (which they are highly dependent on) from editing.

Just like Citicorp or GM. Don't bail them out, let them go under.
They deserve it, the hard assets are still there, and maybe
whichever group takes the assets over will manage them better.........

gee, I'm sooo cynical today.
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post Fri 6th March 2009, 2:49am
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 5th March 2009, 6:16pm) *

Almost without exception, every time I hear of a Wikipedia admin burnout, when I check their contributions I don't see a whole lot of article writing, just mainly admin work. This guy is no exception. Again, I believe the lack of an effective governance structure in Wikipedia contributes to admin burnout, because the admins don't really have any kind of established support foundation upon which to ground their activity, so they must feel like they're flailing away endlessly.


Well, Tan may also be burdened by a belated guilty conscience, as witnessed in this confession the day before his breakdown to Pedro about "gaming the system" to get his tools: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pedro/Archive_33#Hmm

Perhaps the only positive Tan gave Wikipedia was his User Page photo: we should thank him for encouraging safety belt usage.

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post Fri 6th March 2009, 3:48am
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 6th March 2009, 2:49am) *

QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 5th March 2009, 6:16pm) *

Almost without exception, every time I hear of a Wikipedia admin burnout, when I check their contributions I don't see a whole lot of article writing, just mainly admin work. This guy is no exception. Again, I believe the lack of an effective governance structure in Wikipedia contributes to admin burnout, because the admins don't really have any kind of established support foundation upon which to ground their activity, so they must feel like they're flailing away endlessly.


Well, Tan may also be burdened by a belated guilty conscience, as witnessed in this confession the day before his breakdown to Pedro about "gaming the system" to get his tools: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pedro/Archive_33#Hmm

Perhaps the only positive Tan gave Wikipedia was his User Page photo: we should thank him for encouraging safety belt usage.


Whoa! That exchange opens up another, albeit related, can of worms concerning the role of adminship in Wikipedia's culture. Anyway, his choice of userpage photos was interesting.
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post Fri 6th March 2009, 5:06am
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QUOTE(Alison @ Fri 6th March 2009, 12:47am) *

QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 5th March 2009, 3:16pm) *

Almost without exception, every time I hear of a Wikipedia admin burnout, when I check their contributions I don't see a whole lot of article writing, just mainly admin work. This guy is no exception. Again, I believe the lack of an effective governance structure in Wikipedia contributes to admin burnout, because the admins don't really have any kind of established support foundation upon which to ground their activity, so they must feel like they're flailing away endlessly.

That is very true indeed. And in the last 12 months, there's been more admin burnout than ever before, and not just due to the increase in absolute numbers ...


I haven't observed an increase. I used to hear about admins quitting quite frequently, but now it doesn't seem so common. Then again, maybe it's just become so common that people don't think to comment on it anymore? Or it may be that I'm just not following events as well as I used to.
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Admins are quitting constantly.
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QUOTE(Anonymous editor @ Thu 5th March 2009, 9:21pm) *

Admins are quitting constantly.

I just did ohmy.gif Can't stand it any longer - I just had to get out. Eric Barbour pretty much got it right when he described admin/BLP work as just pushing against an overwhelming tide. And Milton is right in that the individual simply cannot fix the wrongs of the world ...
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Thu 5th March 2009, 11:33pm) *

To my mind, the lack of a functional community governance model at Wikipedia is a fatal flaw. Other large projects (notably Debian Linux) have highly functional governance models that keep the project focused on producing high quality product with a minimum of sturm und drang.


Quite right. Software projects need good quality contributions for the product to function. Wikipedia needs poor quality contributions to fuel its real product (which isn't "an encyclopedia"). Try using a linux distribution where untested code goes directly onto the end-users' machines.

Spring is almost here, it must be time to go round the circle again....
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Eric Barbour pretty much got it right when he described admin/BLP work as just pushing against an overwhelming tide. And Milton is right in that the individual simply cannot fix the wrongs of the world ...

All true. But we live in the age of Borat, Jon Stewart, and Stephen Colbert.

One individual cannot gain any purchase trying to fix the wrongs of the world, but there is a long tradition of satire, parody, comedy, and comic opera lampooning the ills of the world.

Under the circumstances, parody is emerging as the best game in town.

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Wikipedia needs poor quality contributions to fuel its real product (which isn't "an encyclopedia").

And I propose to lead the field in promoting utterly atrocious parodies.
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QUOTE(everyking @ Fri 6th March 2009, 12:06am) *

I haven't observed an increase. I used to hear about admins quitting quite frequently, but now it doesn't seem so common. Then again, maybe it's just become so common that people don't think to comment on it anymore? Or it may be that I'm just not following events as well as I used to.

Wikipedia:FORMER#Other
It was strong in December and January and has started to go back to normal levels since.
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QUOTE(Alison @ Fri 6th March 2009, 2:16am) *

QUOTE(Anonymous editor @ Thu 5th March 2009, 9:21pm) *

Admins are quitting constantly.

I just did ohmy.gif Can't stand it any longer - I just had to get out.


Alison, if I can paraphrase Don McLean...that world was never meant for one as beautiful as you! evilgrin.gif
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QUOTE(Alison @ Fri 6th March 2009, 7:16am) *
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Admins are quitting constantly.
And Milton is right in that the individual simply cannot fix the wrongs of the world ...

True. But on the way out, the individual could have left a "Fuck You, Jimbo! Up your Arse with a Coconut!" on some talkpage or other. Would have been nice.

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I just did ohmy.gif Can't stand it any longer - I just had to get out.
Alison, if I can paraphrase Don McLean...that world was never meant for one as beautiful as you! evilgrin.gif

Uuuungh!!!
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QUOTE(Bottled_Spider @ Fri 6th March 2009, 9:09am) *

QUOTE(Alison @ Fri 6th March 2009, 7:16am) *

Milton is right in that the individual simply cannot fix the wrongs of the world ...

True. But on the way out, the individual could have left a "Fuck You, Jimbo! Up your Arse with a Coconut!" on some talkpage or other. Would have been nice.

Any volunteers?

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