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Wikipedia Distributing Child Porn, Co-Founder Tells FBI
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The parent company of Wikipedia is knowingly distributing child pornography, the co-founder of the online encyclopedia says...

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FoxNews.com also just (?) added a note to the end of the piece linking to Mr. Moeller's defense of his past statements on the subject of pedophilia.
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-- Following publication of this article, Wikimedia Foundation posted an online response that reads in part:

"The Wikimedia Foundation obeys the law. In the weeks since Sanger’s published allegations, the Wikimedia Foundation has not been contacted by the FBI or any other law-enforcement agency with regard to allegedly illegal content on any Wikimedia projects. Our community of volunteer editors takes action to remove illegal material when such material is brought to its attention. The Wikimedia Foundation is proud of the Wikimedia editors who zealously work to keep the projects free of illegal material. If and when we are informed by law enforcement agencies of illegal content that has not already been removed through self-policing, we will take quick action to delete it."

This is a fine response, except that the community of volunteer editors does not take action to remove illegal material when such material is brought to its attention; rather, it argues over whether or not the laws are wrong, and often concludes that they are. More importantly, the statement (naturally) makes no mention of the fact that WMF-funded sites have the technology to prevent such material from being posted in the first place, and have essentially refused to implement it.

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-- Erik Moeller also posted a response that reads in part:

"I want to say definitively: I do not defend nor support acts of sexual violence against children and have never defended pedophilia in any way.

"I have consistently defended the right of children of comparable age to engage in consensual, harmless sexual interactions with each other – what’s commonly called "playing doctor", and also safe sex among teens. I have never defended the "right" of pedophiles to abuse children; child sexual abuse is a crime, and there is no such right. Children also don’t have the ability to consent to sexual activity with pedophiles, and such activities are sexual violence against children by definition."

Ah. So, "playing doctor," that's all it is, then! It's all consensual and harmless! Clean, wholesome family entertainment! Shee-it, why didn't he just say so all along? Think of the time we could have all saved, thinking that he meant... well, never mind that now.

By the way, does this mean Erik believes children do have the ability to consent to sexual activity, as long as it isn't with pedophiles?

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In response to the content mentioned in Larry Sanger’s letter to the FBI, Moeller wrote:

"It’s a false claim related largely to some historic early 20th century drawings, as described in the summary published by the Wikipedia Signpost. The Wikimedia Foundation’s General Counsel examined the drawings and concluded that they do not violate federal laws; we have not received any communication from the FBI to the contrary, and when and if we are asked by authorities to remove images that are illegal, we will do so."

Historic? Did he really say historic? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wacko.gif)

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-- FoxNews.com has been informed that Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, sent a copy of Sanger's letter to the FBI on April 21, and Rep. Steve Austria, R-Ohio, sent a copy of the same letter to the FBI on April 27.

Legislative attention... that usually results in at least a case number, doesn't it? Maybe they should be less worried about being "contacted" by the FBI and more worried about being raided! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif)
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GlassBeadGame   We have MSM pay dirt, with Moeller's greasy sm...  
Subtle Bee   We have MSM pay dirt, with Moeller's greasy s...  
Subtle Bee   ... and speaking of fired-up nerds... lol It...  
WikiWatch   ... and speaking of fired-up nerds... lol It...  
Peter Damian   ... and speaking of fired-up nerds... lol It...  
anthony   ... and speaking of fired-up nerds... lol It...  
Subtle Bee   [quote name='Subtle Bee' post='233418' date='Wed ...  
Moulton   The bit about routinely blocking sincere critics (...  
Theanima   An unsurprisingly bad report from Fox News there, ...  
Jon Awbrey   An unsurprisingly bad report from Fox News there,...  
Kelly Martin   An unsurprisingly bad report from Fox News there, ...  
Theanima   [quote name='Theanima' post='233450' date='Wed 28...  
Somey   E.g. "The parent company of Wikipedia is know...  
Moulton   Fox News doesn't really do journalism in the t...  
anthony   [quote name='Theanima' post='233450' date='Wed 2...  
carbuncle   An unsurprisingly bad report from Fox News there,...  
Moulton   The story repeats serious falsehoods and offers in...  
Moulton   Erik Moeller has posted a lengthy response on his ...  
GlassBeadGame   Erik Moeller has posted a lengthy response on his...  
dogbiscuit   [quote name='Moulton' post='233459' date='Wed 28t...  
Peter Damian   [quote name='Moulton' post='233459' date='Wed 28...  
dogbiscuit   Do we have a link to the original piece he wrote....  
Peter Damian   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='233471' date='We...  
GlassBeadGame   Do we have a link to the original piece he wrote...  
anthony   Erik Moeller has posted a lengthy response on his...  
thekohser   I suspect that Moeller will only ever have one emp...  
Ottava   It seems like the WMF, if this doesn't disappe...  
Theanima   It seems like the WMF, if this doesn't disapp...  
dogbiscuit   It seems like the WMF, if this doesn't disap...  
carbuncle   What does Moeller do anyway? In his own words: ...  
SB_Johnny   http://blog.wikimedia.org/2010/04/28/wikim...ds-to...  
GlassBeadGame   [url=http://blog.wikimedia.org/2010/04/28/wikimed...  
Jon Awbrey   [quote name='SB_Johnny' post='233485' date='Wed 2...  
GlassBeadGame   To read their statement you would think that Wikip...  
RDH(Ghost In The Machine)   http://blog.wikimedia.org/2010/04/28/wikim...ds-t...  
Jon Awbrey   RE: Wikipedia Distributing Child Porn, Co-Founder Tells FBI - FOXNews  
GlassBeadGame   Unlike Mr. Seigenthaler's or Prof. Taner...  
Jon Awbrey   I have to say I was a little shocked to discover ...  
GlassBeadGame   I have to say I was a little shocked to discover...  
Milton Roe   I have to say I was a little shocked to discove...  
HRIP7   Mr. Information-wants-to-be-free is probably wish...  
thekohser   Milton, in the interest of fairness, there really...  
Larry Sanger   Thought you all might get a kick out of this: htt...  
SB_Johnny   Thought you all might get a kick out of this: ...  
Larry Sanger   I have to admit that I was incredulous, at least ...  
Moulton   [quote name='Moulton' post='234168' date='Mon 3rd ...  
HRIP7   The only other two journalists who have enough ba...  
Larry Sanger   Are you aware of the flap along those very lines ...  
Kelly Martin   Of course, the very nature of an "open source...  
Larry Sanger   [quote name='Larry Sanger' post='234281' date='Mo...  
GlassBeadGame   Are you aware of the flap along those very lines...  
thekohser   One thing that neither Wales nor the other manage...  
Somey   No, I wasn't aware of that. If it's as yo...  
the fieryangel   While I also applaud Dr. Sanger's work here in...  
GlassBeadGame   While I also applaud Dr. Sanger's work here i...  
Larry Sanger   All, if you really want to expose this nest of ver...  
the fieryangel   All, if you really want to expose this nest of ve...  
SB_Johnny   Host it on a static web page, not a wiki. Don...  
Lar   I can certainly say that I hope [i]that will hap...  
HRIP7   Quite so, unfortunately. The discussion on Common...  
HRIP7   For another illustration of community discussion r...  
the fieryangel   For another illustration of community discussion ...  
HRIP7   For another illustration of community discussion...  
thekohser   As far as I'm concerned, pornographic images ...  
the fieryangel   As far as I'm concerned, pornographic images...  
HRIP7   Let me put it another way... how many 16-year-old...  
thekohser   Let me put it another way... how many 16-year-ol...  
HRIP7   [quote name='HRIP7' post='234438' date='Tue 4th M...  
Kelly Martin   Well, pornography is pornography. The servers are ...  
HRIP7   [quote name='HRIP7' post='234442' date='Tue 4th M...  
Kelly Martin   I've heard of it. :D But does that mean tha...  
HRIP7   I've heard of it. :D But does that mean th...  
HRIP7   [quote name='HRIP7' post='234447' date='Tue 4th M...  
Larry Sanger   Baby steps!  
the fieryangel   Baby steps! Indeed! And the research i...  
Milton Roe   Baby steps! Indeed! And the research ...  
Larry Sanger   Well, Moulton asked for my thoughts on "alter...  
Moulton   Baby steps! There are baby steps everywhere. S...  
the fieryangel   What I think is needed is a full-blown comic oper...  
Moulton   What I think is needed is a full-blown comic opera...  
the fieryangel   In any event, I think that Somey and Milton Roe a...  
Moulton   In any event, I think that Somey and Milton Roe ar...  
thekohser   [quote name='the fieryangel' post='234473' date='...  
Larry Sanger   I think with all of the content that is available...  
EricBarbour   For another illustration of community discussion r...  
Cedric   But, realistically speaking, I doubt this will ha...  
Kelly Martin   It has long been my observation that the Frei Kult...  
Cedric   [quote name='Cedric' post='234273' date='Mon 3rd ...  
anthony   @dogbiscuit--I understand, and I'd love to ta...  
HRIP7   [quote name='HRIP7' post='234216' date='Mon 3rd M...  
GlassBeadGame   Some of the comments on Fox's site are really ...  
thekohser   RE: Wikipedia Distributing Child Porn, Co-Founder Tells FBI - FOXNews  
Eva Destruction   (before Horsey beats me to it)  
Ottava   More blog responses about the situation. I guess ...  
GlassBeadGame   [url=http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Wikipedia_blast...  
Jon Awbrey   There appears to be some sort of obstruction in t...  
GlassBeadGame   There appears to be some sort of obstruction in ...  
Somey   ...two new posts got through, both urging suing so...  
thekohser   Funny, two new posts got through, both urging sui...  
GlassBeadGame   Funny, two new posts got through, both urging su...  
Milton Roe   There appears to be some sort of obstruction in ...  
Peter Damian   My God. And they haven't even got onto his ed...  
Eva Destruction   My God. And they haven't even got onto his e...  
thekohser   Personally, I can't see an issue with those. ...  
Peter Damian   Personally, I can't see an issue with those. ...  
dogbiscuit   [quote name='Eva Destruction' post='233588' date=...  
Eva Destruction   Oh, and why did Teh Community accept the self-ass...  
dogbiscuit   Oh, and why did Teh Community accept the self-as...  
Jon Awbrey   I guess they prefer lagged revisions — wel...  
Moulton   It's useful to not that zeal amd jealous have ...  
Jon Awbrey   I'm guessing “iPorn” is already pa...  
thekohser   Is that this Tim Brown?  
Moulton   Mercy! [size=2][b]You [size=2][b]were [size=2]...  
Milton Roe   [size=2][b]Mercy! [size=2][b]You [size=2][b]w...  
thekohser   [size=2][b]Mercy! [size=2][b]You [size=2][b]...  
GlassBeadGame   Meanwhile MzMcBride's recent attempt to get so...  
Jon Awbrey   [b]Wikipedia Distributing Child Porn, Co-Founder ...  
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='Newsfeed' post='233369' date='Tue 27...  
MZMcBride   E.g. "The parent company of Wikipedia is know...  
Moulton   I'm embarrassed to say that I tried the Anagra...  
dogbiscuit   Ho hum, for all Erik's protestations, this cou...  
Jon Awbrey   Larry Sanger (30 Apr 2010), “More replies ab...  
GlassBeadGame   Larry Sanger (30 Apr 2010), “More replies a...  
Jon Awbrey   I'm speaking nearly alone against a whole mas...  
Peter Damian   Larry Sanger (30 Apr 2010), “[url=http://ww...  
thekohser   An excellent and thoughtful piece by Sanger. Plu...  
thekohser   Meanwhile, JzG seems to be seeing the light, too. ...  
thekohser   Interesting note made by Sanger on Techdirt: :...  
GlassBeadGame   Interesting note made by Sanger on Techdirt: ...  
Jon Awbrey   Interesting note made by Sanger on Techdirt: :p...  
anthony   Interesting note made by Sanger on Techdirt: ...  
thekohser   [quote name='thekohser' post='233930' date='Sun 2...  
anthony   Why would Godwin be the one to go to jail? Can ...  
Peter Damian   I'm sorry, but that's a scary thought. I...  
anthony   A thought experiment A reality experiment. Who...  
EricBarbour   I wonder what Larry will think about this. :D  
Moulton   While I don't expect anything from any governm...  
anthony   While I don't expect anything from any govern...  
thekohser   [quote name='Moulton' post='233948' date='Sun 2nd...  
anthony   Meanwhile, why are we jumping to the most dramati...  
Moulton   Maybe the FBI will take their cue from Hammurabi a...  
Moulton   Anthony, it occurs to me that you are thinking of ...  
anthony   Anthony, it occurs to me that you are thinking of...  
Moulton   Godwin, Gardner, Moeller, and Wales may not be in ...  
Moulton   Governments do not enforce laws evenly. If they d...  
anthony   Governments do not enforce laws evenly. If they ...  
Jon Awbrey   [quote name='Moulton' post='233964' date='Sun 2nd...  
anthony   [quote name='anthony' post='233965' date='Sun 2nd...  
Jon Awbrey   [quote name='Jon Awbrey' post='233966' date='Sun ...  
thekohser   Is Sanger saying someone should be sent to jail, o...  
anthony   Is Sanger saying someone should be sent to jail, ...  
thekohser   Is Sanger saying someone should be sent to jail,...  
anthony   The law may not have been broken. Quite true. ...  
dogbiscuit   1. It is for the FBI to investigate, not to prosec...  
anthony   Possibly, but less likely, any person who viewed ...  
dogbiscuit   a) the FBI need to establish whether there is co...  
Milton Roe   It is quite clear in my post that the courts fina...  
anthony   I'm not sure what the situation is in detail ...  
dogbiscuit   I'm not sure what the situation is in detail...  
anthony   The detail may be different but surely it is the ...  
Larry Sanger   Seeing as Larry is here - hi, Larry, we've no...  
Kelly Martin   But then, what Wikipedia and WMF does daily with p...  
dogbiscuit   Seeing as Larry is here - hi, Larry, we've n...  
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   what Wikipedia and WMF does daily with people...  
Larry Sanger   I would say a few formal letters (not emails) to ...  
Moulton   I don't have the soul of an Ahab or Javert. S...  
TungstenCarbide   [quote name='Larry Sanger' post='234305' date='Mo...  
Cedric   I don't have the soul of an Ahab or Javert. ...  
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   I answered that no, because even if a majority say...  
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anthony   I [i]seriously doubt anyone is going to jail rega...  
Somey   Instead of shutting up and letting the FBI look in...  
Somey   All, I just thought I would log in here and thank ...  
Larry Sanger   It's amazing what some people will convince t...  
Somey   ...I seem to remember this place as being dominate...  
thekohser   Having said that, presumably all of us here knew ...  
anthony   Having said that, presumably all of us here knew ...  
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Moulton   I agree that these are serious issues. I'm no...  
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Moulton   I haven't looked into the literature on this, ...  
Casliber   I haven't looked into the literature on this,...  
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Moulton   Actually, I was less intrigued by the prominence o...  
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Moulton   The problem is big. It will take a Herculean effo...  
Moulton   What Larry has admitted is that he didn't pay ...  
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carbuncle   Strangely, my very tame comment never made it past...  
tarantino   Strangely, my very tame comment never made it pas...  
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thekohser   I'm sympathetic to Larry's suggestion to ...  
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Moulton   I'll participate if somebody else sets it up a...  
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the fieryangel   Knol, sure, that sounds good to me. I can recom...  
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thekohser   I can recommend against using this wiki to work on...  
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Larry Sanger   Beautiful! But it's basically just stra...  
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