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| Piperdown |
 Wed 13th February 2008, 1:34pm
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The elephant in the room - Yesterday Wikipedian user:PatrickByrne announced on his site that among thousands of emails between journalists, internet forum "bashers", money managers, and other...ahem..."sources", lol......., there are 1841 emails from Gary Weiss, many admitting to his editing of Wikipedia. Since the emails are with other people that are also involved in the Byrne saga, it's safe to assume that editing of WP means editing of WP articles in question.
And Mantanmoreland should be banned for Tomstoner/Lastexit alone, regardless of samiharris.
And no one has brought up Doright yet on WP. You should.
Now we have SlimVirgin/GeorgeWilliamHerbert lying on wikback/WP about screen shots, Morven putting up a Johnnie Cochrane routine on WP, and JzG beating the crazy drum again.
Mantanmoreland's Obi Wan Kenobi impression "These are not the socks you want, move along" [waves hand] is quite endearing.
And Byrne's saga is going to be going reliable source public - yet a small circle of morons on WP, and their godkingm, is going to just keep up the same lie until they get made to look very foolish in the media. Again.
This post has been edited by Piperdown: Wed 13th February 2008, 2:37pm
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Wed 13th February 2008, 1:53pm
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QUOTE(Error59 @ Wed 13th February 2008, 11:00am) 
If Weiss had any balls
Ironically, ask Mantamoreland and his calvacade how many balls they think that Patrick Byrne has. This is an outside joke. QUOTE
NEWSFLASH - The Magician Reveals A Secret
February 12th, 2008 by Patrick Byrne
...one from within the network of Bad Guys got in touch with me and turned over 8,000 emails from a set of message board bashers, convicted stock swindlers, and financial journalists in their cahoots...All total shysters. They run up through sometime well into 2007.
....I know that I have them legally, and that the person who gave them to me had them legally as well (I’d just start posting the 8,000 emails and let the world decide, but I want this journalist to get the scoop).
What makes for fun reading are the several thousand emails of those well-known New York financial journalists. Understanding how they operate, and with whom, will be the stuff of textbooks someday.
Among those communications are 1,841 emails from a bent reporter named Gary Weiss. Among many other things, in several of those emails Gary Weiss freely discusses his editing of Wikipedia.
...we now also have incontrovertible proof of this also) that while Jimbo Wales has for months been publicly accusing Judd of being a “stalker” and such, Jimbo Wales has known all along that Gary Weiss was indeed using the sockpuppets that Judd has revealed. In other words, Jimbo knew that Judd was right, but he has been lying through his teeth to his own followers.
Again, I am stating this publicly here so that this evidence (including the emails of journalists), can be attributed to me, so that a good journalist can go ahead and publish without fear of legal repurcussion.
http://community.overstock.com/deepcapture...veals-a-secret/ |
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Wed 13th February 2008, 2:12pm
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I didn't think I'd ever have anything to do with Weiss/Overstock/WordBomb/Bagley, but thanks to WAS 4.250, now I do! I feel so important! QUOTE :[[User:Durova|<span style="color:#009">Durova</span>]], there is a ''lot'' more to it than that. For starters, there is an entire WAR that has been going on for two years that could have been avoided if COI in a nice friend had been taken as seriously as COI in Greg K. [[User:WAS 4.250|WAS 4.250]] ([[User talk:WAS 4.250|talk]]) 13:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC) In other words, it's kind of like what I've been saying for about 17 months now. Why was Wikipedia Review a serious conflict of interest (editing for pay in the disinfecting sunlight), when the Reward Board wasn't any conflict of interest, and thousands of "follow" links to Jimbo's for-profit Wikia site wasn't any conflict of interest? I'm fine if they slaughtered my attempt to start a business, if they would have also shut down the Reward Board and applied the actual "WP:External Links" policy to Wikia links. That's what Guy Chapman never got through his thick skull. I wasn't hell-bent on editing Wikipedia for payment. I was hell-bent on the equal application of the WP:COI policy (that only came into existence after the advent of Wikipedia Review). I guess that will be my Wikipedia legacy. Were it not for my business, WP:COI would not have been born when it was. Now, it's one of the most complex problems facing the entire project. Greg This post has been edited by thekohser: Wed 13th February 2008, 2:12pm |
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Wed 13th February 2008, 2:28pm
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my first take on the Kohsers activity on WP when I first ran into - gee, that's not right, that shouldn't be allowed on this snowwhite-pure no-COI site. Then I saw Greg's link to the "Reward Board" and thought "holy hypocracy, batman!".
Then I read articles on WP on companies, people, and though "Holy mother of god, these are not only awful, they're unprofessional, often anonymously autobiographical, and open to be vandalised at any time".
Then I thought, hmm. Maybe people like Greg should be editing them (openly, with any COI's disclosed on his user page, and without him having any administrative privilege ala a Jossi), getting his reward board mojo on for it, and if he does anything "wrong", the community could slap his hand and fix it.
I don't think even Greg's "boss's article" would be involved, lol. Greg, have you considered joining a "church", becoming their paid press official, and editing WP for them? I hear it pays real good.
This post has been edited by Piperdown: Wed 13th February 2008, 2:29pm
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| The Wales Hunter |
Wed 13th February 2008, 2:44pm
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Response: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=191141059QUOTE(Mantanmoreland) I agree with Morven concerning this RfC, but there seems to be no consensus to delete this and put it in SSP where it belongs. Also Samiharris has quit the project, so this is moot.
I am not Samiharris, and neither I nor Samiharris have ever been blocked or even warned. There are no accusations of edit warring, and the POV pushing accusations come from Cool Hand Luke, who has been a partisan and aggressive editor in [[Patrick M. Byrne]], removing sourced material from the New York Times, claiming that a notable Times columnist, [[Joseph Nocera]], is an "advocacy" and not a reliable source[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Patrick_M._Byrne&diff=186656781&oldid=186166391]. He had an extensive but civil exchange with Samiharris on that point, in which he continued stubbornly to his POV position.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Patrick_M._Byrne#WEIGHT_and_Nocera]
Cool Hand and the others pushing this rely on statistics, because we have not ''behaved'' as socks. The section above is a good example. If I was Sami, would not I have chimed in in this faceoff between Sami and an administrator? A consensus was needed, and I could have supplied a consensus. I did not, because I have been trying my best to avoid all of these articles because of a steady drumbeat of off-wiki harassment, originating from an official of Overstock.com who is a banned user.
Similarly, I did not chime in when Samiharris was facing off against Cool Hand and others in Talk:Gary Weiss last December. In fact, I checked that Talk page and I have not one edit there while Sami has many. If we were socks, I'd be all over that talk page and the article.
Also our writing style is different, and I posted some diffs concerning that here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SirFozzie/Investigation/Sandbox#Evidence.2FDiscussion.2C_Section_4_Writing_Style]. |
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| Piperdown |
Wed 13th February 2008, 8:12pm
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QUOTE(The Wales Hunter @ Wed 13th February 2008, 8:07pm)
Agreed. He'll get away with it. Someone like Weiss has clearly got friends who would post for him from one of the accounts. Laptop next to him, different IP, telling him what to type.
durova puts up a softball for buddy gary to knock out of the park. this isn't a foreign concept to gary, and he probably suggested it to durova in their recent email exchanges. and they have been emailing each other as durova already said on-WP. it's a great way to fool people, and WP'ians should see if for the staged nonsense that such an experiment would be. i am shocked gary just didn't do this (get a friend) to perform samiharris all along. that's what I thought was going on since i first ran into this nightmare last spring. even jossi and slim are smart enough to get friends to meatpuppet with. This post has been edited by Piperdown: Wed 13th February 2008, 8:17pm |
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