Thogo blocks Thekohser on Meta Options

[thekohser]

This guy named "Thogo" blocked me for 24 hours on the Meta project.

That was disproportionate and rude!

It all was prompted by a hissy fit from Gerard "Hoi!" Meijjeisensenn. (Since he can't ever seem to spell my name or nickname correctly.)

Gerard threatened me with a "blog", as you see... so maybe Thogo got it lost in translation and thought Gerard meant a "block".

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[Shalom]

This guy named "Thogo" blocked me for 24 hours on the Meta project.

That was disproportionate and rude!

It all was prompted by a hissy fit from Gerard "Hoi!" Meijjeisensenn. (Since he can't ever seem to spell my name or nickname correctly.)

Gerard threatened me with a "blog", as you see... so maybe Thogo got it lost in translation and thought Gerard meant a "block".

Epic win! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)

Of course the other ones you could remove and get away with it, but Jimbo Wales and Angela Beesley? That's a provocation! Of course, the general logic is on your side, but to exclude Jimbo as a public speaker ignores the fact that he has actually done a public speech on behalf of Wikipedia in the last 6 months (for the NYC meetup).

[Sarcasticidealist]

Wow - I ranked Gerard fairly high in the Board election (though lower than Kohs), but he's completely out of line here. I think there's a case to be made for Marianocecowski's edit, but this is just indefensible.

[thekohser]

Wow - I ranked Gerard fairly high in the Board election (though lower than Kohs), but he's completely out of line here. I think there's a case to be made for Marianocecowski's edit, but this is just indefensible.

And Gerard struck again, and again. (Aren't there rules against that?) And he zapped me via private e-mail, too!

I seem to have really touched a nerve -- Gerard doesn't want me speaking publicly on the subject of the Wikimedia Foundation, its projects, or even wikis in general. After all, I might say something REALLY SUBVERSIVE:


http://wikipediareview.com/images/3/3d/AACP_Pres...n_Wikipedia Review.ppt

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[LaraLove]

Props to Majorly.

Greg, in your entry on the public speakers page, you should change your first name to your last, when protection lifts of course. Make it more formal.

[Kato]

Greg got dissed by Yann (T-C-L-K-R-D) , that moustachioed guy with the picture of another moustachioed guy behind him, on the talk page!

Also on the talk page, an editor who put himself forward to speak in Asia declares that Wikiprojects have been "the biggest waste of time in my life" and asks to be removed from the list. He's left a long disillusioned leaving note as well. Great stuff.

Oh good grief... there's Shankbone again. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/yecch.gif)

Hornets nest etc.

[Cla68]

Greg got dissed by Yann (T-C-L-K-R-D) , that moustachioed guy with the picture of another moustachioed guy behind him, on the talk page!

Also on the talk page, an editor who put himself forward to speak in Asia declares that Wikiprojects have been "the biggest waste of time in my life" and asks to be removed from the list. He's left a long disillusioned leaving note as well. Great stuff.

Oh good grief... there's Shankbone again. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/yecch.gif)

Hornets nest etc.

That talk page and Waerth's rant are two of the funniest things I've read on an "official" Wikimedia page in a long time. Great work guys. GerardM appears to be a natural tsukkomi. To be clear, I'm not saying that Greg is the boke.

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[dogbiscuit]

Although Greg delights in being disruptive to make a point (and I can understand how that gets under people's skin) I think it is indicative of Wikipedia that they are incredibly sensitive to any sort of criticism. I think it is an indication not only of the immaturity of Wikipedia, but of the immaturity of Wikipedians.

Although there is a healthy cynicism as to whether it can be achieved, I think Greg is in the heap of reformists who believe in Wikipedia to the extent that it could be reasonably competent given the right support. The teenage immaturity of assuming that the Wikiverse is perfection and those who are not True Believers is a major block to Wikipedia gaining respect and credibility.

The acid test for Wikipedia in my book is in the implementation of flagged revisions and whether, given a basic software tool, Wikipedia can evolve a process that can turn the hotch-potch of different qualities of articles into something that resembles something trustworthy and ethical. (I seem to recall that the cast of Eastenders had a hit with Something Out of Nothing, so it can be done).

[EricBarbour]

Please note I have full-protected this page for 1 week due to edit warring. Please work out your differences on the talk page rather than reverting each other unproductively. Admins are reminded that although they have the ability to edit the page, they should not (unless such changes are entirely unrelated to the edit warring). Thanks, — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 20:44, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Good move. Several parties were edit warring who ought to know better. While the protection is in place, I suggest a discussion about the goal of the page and the processes for maintaining and updating it as I outlined above. ++Lar: t/c 21:10, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

When you had followed this fracas, you would have found that thekosher has been blocked for threatening behaviour. Also, it does little good to block in the first place when multiple admins take offence. Thanks, GerardM 21:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

You were edit warring too. ++Lar: t/c 21:10, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Indeed - perhaps I was too circumspect initially. — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 21:14, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Snigger.

[thekohser]

And Gerard "Hoi!" Meijssen continues his edit war, even 8 hours after page protection and several rebukes on his Talk page.

I'm the one who got a 24-hour block, though.

Great points above, Dogbiscuit.

[Moulton]

An editor who put himself forward to speak in Asia declares that Wikiprojects have been "the biggest waste of time in my life" and asks to be removed from the list. He's left a long disillusioned leaving note as well.

There it is again — disappointment, disillusionment, frustration, cynicism, and (for some) a tinge of bitterness at having wasted so much time and energy on a failing system.

[Abd]

[...] a long disillusioned leaving note as well.

There it is again — disappointment, disillusionment, frustration, cynicism, and (for some) a tinge of bitterness at having wasted so much time and energy on a failing system.

Right. It's not that the system has failed, yet, it is that it is colossally inefficient, but being a pyramid scheme, has survived and even improved, though not nearly commensurately with the effort invested. I've been watching farewell speeches for two years, looking back at earlier ones. Where it is still possible to reach these retired editors, some have left email turned on, some of them could be brought back in, but to what? That's the question I'll be working on. Email me!

But I'll answer very briefly: to an off-wiki structure which will respect their experience and value their time, not waste it in yet more battles and endless discussions that go nowhere or worse.

[Moulton]

Anyone who is seriously interested in writing a definitive encyclopedia article on a subject which they have bothered to research would simply post it on Google Knol and be done with it.

Wikipedia remains as a battlefield for those who are more interested in fighting battles than in writing definitive articles of an encyclopedic nature.

[LaraLove]

Good to know Meta has its share of shitty admins who need their bit yanked from them.

Not even looking at this from the Kohs perspective, just the fact that an admin is continuing to edit war through protection... stupid, stupid, stupid.

Someone should block his ass for a good 48 hours.

[LaraLove]

Haha, and Waerth's contribution really was like Eeyore dropping in during a nice honey lunch to whine about the 100 Acre Woods being a horrible place to live. This after having not come out of his little shaky shelter to talk to anyone for months.

[thekohser]

I have to say that Lar and Majorly (Lar, though, with measurably more effort exerted against the crazy-talkers) are really shooting straight on this debate, and while it may damage them in the WikiMMORPG, I'd like to offer my public thanks here.

It's really quite funny how a page that was getting one to three page views per day is suddenly Grand Central Station for Meta drama.

Anyway, I'm blocked now, indefinitely, by some French PhD.

[CharlotteWebb]

That talk page and Waerth's rant are two of the funniest things I've read on an "official" Wikimedia page in a long time.

I didn't find anything amusing about his statement. Looks like half of it is sad-but-true and the other half is sad-if-true.

[Milton Roe]

Haha, and Waerth's contribution really was like Eeyore dropping in during a nice honey lunch to whine about the 100 Acre Woods being a horrible place to live. This after having not come out of his little shaky shelter to talk to anyone for months.

What do you expect? It's the future. The Hundred Acre Wood is rapidly being replaced by a suburb in East Sussex.

[Moulton]

I'm blocked now, indefinitely, by some French PhD.

That does it. I'm swearing off French Fries until you get unblocked.

[Apathetic]

Doesn't this belong in 'Support Group' ?

I'm blocked now, indefinitely, by some French PhD.

That does it. I'm swearing off French Fries until you get unblocked.

Just call them Freedom Fries and you'll be ok.

[CrazyGameOfPoker]

I'm blocked now, indefinitely, by some French PhD.

That does it. I'm swearing off French Fries until you get unblocked.

Well he got unlocked.

And then immediately reblocked.

[thekohser]

I think it would be in everyone's best intress to ask, what's the fuzz, tell me what's a-happenin'!

[Apathetic]

I think it would be in everyone's best intress to ask, what's the fuzz, tell me what's a-happenin'!

You do realize this is a global project and not everyone has English as a first language, yes?

[thekohser]

I think it would be in everyone's best intress to ask, what's the fuzz, tell me what's a-happenin'!

You do realize this is a global project and not everyone has English as a first language, yes?

Yes, I do!

And, therefore, perhaps they likewise fail to fully comprehend the heretofore English-only communications that led up to this kangaroo court banning.

Are people with tools, who don't fully understand English, able to fully appreciate the subtleties of a disagreement that has entirely taken place using the English language?

If you had a breach of contract dispute that took place in Minnesota, would you want your case tried in a court in Lima, Peru, where the judge and jury have English as a second language?

[Lar]

I think it would be in everyone's best intress to ask, what's the fuzz, tell me what's a-happenin'!

I think it would be in your best interests if you ixnayed on the ockingmay. Because really, it's not helpful. WR is now the extension of every noticeboard of en:wp and soon enough same same for meta, I'm thinking.

[Guido den Broeder]

WR is now the extension of every noticeboard of en:wp and soon enough same same for meta, I'm thinking.

Perhaps it needs to be, if meta is going down the same hill. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/huh.gif)
Anyway, added my 2 cents.

[Kelly Martin]

Not even looking at this from the Kohs perspective, just the fact that an admin is continuing to edit war through protection... stupid, stupid, stupid.

Someone should block his ass for a good 48 hours.

Gerard is Erik's personal attack puppy, and operates under his protection. Nobody who wants to continue to remain in any sort of good graces with the Foundation significantly messes with Gerard.

[Cla68]

I notice that no speakers are listed for the Asia region.

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[LaraLove]

Not even looking at this from the Kohs perspective, just the fact that an admin is continuing to edit war through protection... stupid, stupid, stupid.

Someone should block his ass for a good 48 hours.

Gerard is Erik's personal attack puppy, and operates under his protection. Nobody who wants to continue to remain in any sort of good graces with the Foundation significantly messes with Gerard.

O, yay! More corruption!!

[One]

You do realize this is a global project and not everyone has English as a first language, yes?

Yes, I do!

And, therefore, perhaps they likewise fail to fully comprehend the heretofore English-only communications that led up to this kangaroo court banning.

Are people with tools, who don't fully understand English, able to fully appreciate the subtleties of a disagreement that has entirely taken place using the English language?

If you had a breach of contract dispute that took place in Minnesota, would you want your case tried in a court in Lima, Peru, where the judge and jury have English as a second language?

Why would they do that? Litigation is one of our great industries. Thanks to the magic of the Alien Tort Claims Act, citizens from Lima, Peru can sue each other in Minnesota!

[thekohser]

I'm still indefinitely blocked on Meta. Just didn't want that point lost in the discussion of infinitives.

[dtobias]

Maybe if you would give some indication that you won't be deleting people from the speaker list (at least without consensus), you could get unblocked? Indef-blocking you was a vast overreaction, but you did do some silly stuff to provoke it.

[thekohser]

Maybe if you would give some indication that you won't be deleting people from the speaker list (at least without consensus), you could get unblocked? Indef-blocking you was a vast overreaction, but you did do some silly stuff to provoke it.

Blocks are supposed to be preventative, not punitive. I'm being punished for something that I gave 2 weeks' notice of doing, then allowed another 2 weeks for response time. My efforts uncovered one speaker who was unambiguously disappointed by his Wikimedia experience, who would have otherwise been equally eligible for outside contact as Jimmy Wales. Note, Jimmy Wales has NEVER edited that Public speakers list. The list wasn't even alphabetized before I got there. Come on, Dan -- you can do better than "silly stuff", can't you?

[thekohser]

I'm unblocked now. By Mike Lifeguard, of all people!

[The Joy]

I think it would be in everyone's best intress to ask, what's the fuzz, tell me what's a-happenin'!

I think it would be in your best interests if you ixnayed on the ockingmay. Because really, it's not helpful. WR is now the extension of every noticeboard of en:wp and soon enough same same for meta, I'm thinking.

WR is not an extension of Wikipedia and should never aspire to be. We need to preserve our independence in order to remain relevant as a critics' site. Our bitter satire, righteous, and occasional jab comes with being critics.

Nevertheless, it's probably best not to make fun of someone's attempt at English. Modern English is considered one of the hardest languages to learn. As an American from the American South, many would say that I've never spoken "English" in my life... y'all. I tell you, it's pronounced "crayons" not "crowns." Ya damn Yankees! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif)

Good news with the unblock, Greg! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[Abd]

I'm unblocked now. By Mike Lifeguard, of all people!

Mike.lifeguard. Yeah, I noticed, I got an email notification. Now, why doesn't en.wiki allow email notifications? I can guess.

Congratulations. Now, don't make him regret it!

[Random832]

Now, why doesn't en.wiki allow email notifications?

quantity.

[Lar]

Now, why doesn't en.wiki allow email notifications?

quantity.

quality.

[The Joy]

Could a kind mod move the conversation about the English language to a separate thread?

[Cedric]

Could a kind mod move the conversation about the English language to a separate thread?

Mod note: Done.