Ottava leaves Wikipedia Options

[Malleus]

If he ever did this before I don't remember it. Since August he's contributed 7 featured articles and nearly 30 good articles on scholarly topics. Fantastic content writer; here's wishing he were better with people. Let's give him a little breathing room.

How persistent and severe would Ottava have to be in his attacks on other editors before his conduct would be deemed intolerable? Do you think it's possible that Ottava has been doing all that constructive editing because he realizes that he'd otherwise be quickly banned? If he was restricted in some way that prevented him from trolling, he'd probably lose interest in editing altogether, which may in fact be essentially what happened this time.

How "persistent and severe" do your own attacks have to be before your conduct is deemed "intolerable"? Are you seriously proposing that anyone would work on 7 featured articles and 30 GAs just to avoid being banned?

You're way beyond crazy everyking.

[A Horse With No Name]

If Ottava is a decent page maker he should just go to Wikipedia Review or Everything2, or something equivalent. No point in having your pages smashed by casual ip addresses, since the governors of the site have no interest in implementing better software.

Or, even better, he can write for a professional media outlet.

[Kelly Martin]

How "persistent and severe" do your own attacks have to be before your conduct is deemed "intolerable"? Are you seriously proposing that anyone would work on 7 featured articles and 30 GAs just to avoid being banned?

I've seen stranger behavior in the context of cults (Scientology, the Family, stuff like that). It's not incomprehensible.

[Viridae]

If he ever did this before I don't remember it. Since August he's contributed 7 featured articles and nearly 30 good articles on scholarly topics. Fantastic content writer; here's wishing he were better with people. Let's give him a little breathing room.

How persistent and severe would Ottava have to be in his attacks on other editors before his conduct would be deemed intolerable? Do you think it's possible that Ottava has been doing all that constructive editing because he realizes that he'd otherwise be quickly banned? If he was restricted in some way that prevented him from trolling, he'd probably lose interest in editing altogether, which may in fact be essentially what happened this time.

I think you are being way too cynical, I certainly wouldn't put the effort into contributing all that he does just so he can troll with impunity - of course, he might have realised he can be a troll as a side project in addition to the content which he seems to enjoy contributing. That said, I don't think he is particuarly trollish, just has a filthy temper and has discovered he can (up till now) make people back down by screaming harrasment. Frankly is you want to troll with impunity, either edit ED, go play on/b/ or become an admin, all of which are easier options that doing what he is doing.

[everyking]

I think you are being way too cynical, I certainly wouldn't put the effort into contributing all that he does just so he can troll with impunity - of course, he might have realised he can be a troll as a side project in addition to the content which he seems to enjoy contributing. That said, I don't think he is particuarly trollish, just has a filthy temper and has discovered he can (up till now) make people back down by screaming harrasment. Frankly is you want to troll with impunity, either edit ED, go play on/b/ or become an admin, all of which are easier options that doing what he is doing.

It's more likely that the constructive editing is the side project and the trolling is the main event. After all, when confronted with the imminent likelihood of sanctions that would limit his ability to troll, he chose to leave and not write articles anymore. Doesn't that speak volumes about his priorities? Also, considering that he's a religious fanatic, I don't think playing around with a bunch of vulgar children would have much troll appeal for him.

This post has been edited by everyking: Sun 8th November 2009, 2:16am

[GlassBeadGame]

I think you are being way too cynical, I certainly wouldn't put the effort into contributing all that he does just so he can troll with impunity - of course, he might have realised he can be a troll as a side project in addition to the content which he seems to enjoy contributing. That said, I don't think he is particuarly trollish, just has a filthy temper and has discovered he can (up till now) make people back down by screaming harrasment. Frankly is you want to troll with impunity, either edit ED, go play on/b/ or become an admin, all of which are easier options that doing what he is doing.

It's more likely that the constructive editing is the side project and the trolling is the main event. After all, when confronted with the imminent likelihood of sanctions that would limit his ability to troll, he chose to leave and not write articles anymore. Doesn't that speak volumes about his priorities?

But Everyking, his fingers pressed keys that the magic wiki spun into gold, so you miss him sorely, right?

[Malleus]

How "persistent and severe" do your own attacks have to be before your conduct is deemed "intolerable"? Are you seriously proposing that anyone would work on 7 featured articles and 30 GAs just to avoid being banned?

I've seen stranger behavior in the context of cults (Scientology, the Family, stuff like that). It's not incomprehensible.

It is to me.

[Kelly Martin]

How "persistent and severe" do your own attacks have to be before your conduct is deemed "intolerable"? Are you seriously proposing that anyone would work on 7 featured articles and 30 GAs just to avoid being banned?

I've seen stranger behavior in the context of cults (Scientology, the Family, stuff like that). It's not incomprehensible.

It is to me.

Perhaps you should change your name to Horatio, then.

[Malleus]

How "persistent and severe" do your own attacks have to be before your conduct is deemed "intolerable"? Are you seriously proposing that anyone would work on 7 featured articles and 30 GAs just to avoid being banned?

I've seen stranger behavior in the context of cults (Scientology, the Family, stuff like that). It's not incomprehensible.

It is to me.

Perhaps you should change your name to Horatio, then.

Perhaps. Oh, what I'd give to be omniscient like you.

[Tower]

Anyway to come back to topic, I see Ottava is back on WP now. Posting on Malleus's talk page. Even talking about us over here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum#Hmm

Hi Ottava.

[A Horse With No Name]

Anyway to come back to topic, I see Ottava is back on WP now. Posting on Malleus's talk page. Even talking about us over here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum#Hmm

Hi Ottava.

Daddy's home! Daddy's home!

[Cedric]

Anyway to come back to topic, I see Ottava is back on WP now. Posting on Malleus's talk page. Even talking about us over here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum#Hmm

Hi Ottava.

Back?? He never even left.

Nothing more here than a lot of attention-whoring whining of a type we have seen hundreds of times before. Honestly, people!

[SB_Johnny]

Anyway to come back to topic, I see Ottava is back on WP now. Posting on Malleus's talk page. Even talking about us over here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum#Hmm

Hi Ottava.

I'm under the impression he's an avid WR reader... actually the wikibreak might have gone on a little longer if he was free to post here.

Back?? He never even left.

Nothing more here than a lot of attention-whoring whining of a type we have seen hundreds of times before. Honestly, people!

Aw, c'mon now. He took over 36 hours off!

[Casliber]

If Ottava is a decent page maker he should just go to Wikipedia Review or Everything2, or something equivalent. No point in having your pages smashed by casual ip addresses, since the governors of the site have no interest in implementing better software.

Writing Featured Articles is an antidote to that, as a consensus flagged-stable-revision-thingy, and was my prime motivation for writing Featured content in the first place (as an anchor once the articles start to erode like sandcastles at the beach...)

[everyking]

Since Ottava isn't really gone, the ArbCom should hurry up and accept the case and do something about him. Antandrus sums it up perfectly: "When not editing content, Ottava Rima is the single most disruptive, time-wasting, drama-creating, wikilawyering unsanctioned editor I have encountered in almost six years editing. Please accept this case to look closely at his conduct. There is no way to measure how much of the time of otherwise-productive Wikipedians he siphons off into his dramas."

[Eva Destruction]

Since Ottava isn't really gone, the ArbCom should hurry up and accept the case and do something about him. Antandrus sums it up perfectly: "When not editing content, Ottava Rima is the single most disruptive, time-wasting, drama-creating, wikilawyering unsanctioned editor I have encountered in almost six years editing. Please accept this case to look closely at his conduct. There is no way to measure how much of the time of otherwise-productive Wikipedians he siphons off into his dramas."

Case now open. An absolute humdinger of a piece of craziness, even by Wikipedia standards as the first post, too: "Please can Arbcom reject this case, because I think Ottava's crazy".

[everyking]

Case now open. An absolute humdinger of a piece of craziness, even by Wikipedia standards as the first post, too: "Please can Arbcom reject this case, because I think Ottava's crazy".

I remember admins used to say "Wiki is not therapy" when banning crazy people.

[Malleus]

Case now open. An absolute humdinger of a piece of craziness, even by Wikipedia standards as the first post, too: "Please can Arbcom reject this case, because I think Ottava's crazy".

I remember admins used to say "Wiki is not therapy" when banning crazy people.

Most people are certified "crazy" by a qualified psychiatrist though, not some wikipedian on a mission to improve the world's grammar.

This post has been edited by Malleus: Tue 10th November 2009, 2:18am

[Somey]

Most people are certified "crazy" by a qualified psychiatrist though, not some wikipedian on a mission to improve the world's grammar.

Nobody is suggesting he be certified in any way, Mr. Malleus - only that he be removed from the stress-inducing factor. The fact is, Fowler&fowler (T-C-L-K-R-D) is right, and some of the entries on Ottava's talk page do indicate severe WP-induced mental stress, which many of us have seen before and none of us want to see again. An immediate indefinite ban would actually be the best way to help him, whereas an ArbCom case would be the best way to make his mental state even worse.

None of this is meant to suggest that I've changed my mind about Ottava's behavior here on WR, which I still believe to have been an experiment in how far a person like him can go to annoy us here before getting his account suspended. Nevertheless, the mere fact that he would even do that at all should have been a strong indication to ArbCom and the admins that Ottava was, and is, a nervous breakdown waiting to happen. The further away he can get from Wikipedia, the better off he'll be.

[Malleus]

Most people are certified "crazy" by a qualified psychiatrist though, not some wikipedian on a mission to improve the world's grammar.

Nobody is suggesting he be certified in any way, Mr. Malleus - only that he be removed from the stress-inducing factor. The fact is, Fowler&fowler (T-C-L-K-R-D) is right, and some of the entries on Ottava's talk page do indicate severe WP-induced mental stress, which many of us have seen before and none of us want to see again. An immediate indefinite ban would actually be the best way to help him, whereas an ArbCom case would be the best way to make his mental state even worse.

None of this is meant to suggest that I've changed my mind about Ottava's behavior here on WR, which I still believe to have been an experiment in how far a person like him can go to annoy us here before getting his account suspended. Nevertheless, the mere fact that he would even do that at all should have been a strong indication to ArbCom and the admins that Ottava was, and is, a nervous breakdown waiting to happen. The further away he can get from Wikipedia, the better off he'll be.

So you're a qualified psychiatrist too. Fair enough.