Ottava leaves Wikipedia Options

[Coffee]

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[Moulton]

Jeffrey writes an occasional column on ethics and religion in the local paper serving the Catholic University community. At least one of those columns was (perhaps still is) available online.

[the fieryangel]

Jeffrey writes an occasional column on ethics and religion in the local paper serving the Catholic University community. At least one of those columns was (perhaps still is) available online.

Yes, but what's local? A specific city in the UK?

Early in his career, as he started out editing the A. Moreschi bio, user:Moreschi revealed his IP to be 86.131.110.151. That geolocates him to the UK. Where Folantin doubtless is, also. Just FYI.

Yes, Folantin geolocates to the University of Leeds, some sort of "linguistic laboratory". The only confirmed information about Moreschi is that he is a tennis pro located in the UK.

Where is the line between meat puppetry and "wiki-friends" with mutual philosophies and interests? I'm not trying to be snide - not here anyway - but I'm genuinely curious. Surely there is a difference, though it's often hard to tell.

The abuse level.

If it doesn't lead to abuse, it's "wiki-friends". Here, we have a long history of abuse which is coordinated between two accounts, with Antandrus serving as an enabler account.---think Antandrus is the "mommy" who the kiddies run to when they're in trouble....

Clearly, part of the solution to this ARBCOM case involves solving this long history of coordinated abuse. One can only hope that ARBCOM will finally, years later, address this issue.

[Number Six]

The abuse level.

If it doesn't lead to abuse, it's "wiki-friends". Here, we have a long history of abuse which is coordinated between two accounts, with Antandrus serving as an enabler account.---think Antandrus is the "mommy" who the kiddies run to when they're in trouble....

Clearly, part of the solution to this ARBCOM case involves solving this long history of coordinated abuse. One can only hope that ARBCOM will finally, years later, address this issue.

Food for thought. I cannot comment on the abuse aspect, maybe I need to read up more. I will say I've seen better work from Moreschi and Folantin than I ever have from Ottava Rima.

[the fieryangel]

I've seen better work from Moreschi and Folantin than I ever have from Ottava Rima.

You've obviously never read the Grove dictionary of Music and Musicians. They just spend their time rewording that. Any elementary school student capable of a book report could do this kind of work.

Folantin at least has slightly broader interests and is a bit more intelligent. Moreschi is simply incredibly stupid, close-minded about other perspectives and unbelievably rude. These two need to be put in their place here.

OR is a real writer. And that's the problem right there.

However, Moreschi clearly is reading this locally in the UK.

He says. I simply can't see how the column I've seen would have been picked up here.

He says indeed. AGF and all of that.

[the fieryangel]

Look at the recent history of the "workshop" page.

Moreschi (T-C-L-K-R-D) ....Folantin (T-C-L-K-R-D) ....and....Voceditenore (T-C-L-K-R-D)

They could be a little more subtle about it....

And the tagteam pile-on continues on Moreschi's talk page.

Well, see that's the funny thing. I got a one-off email from what was probably a throwaway gmail account pointing me to it. The author claimed to be personally associated with you at the university, but that may just have been trolling. I hadn't actually bothered to google your real name, which your column is the second hit for: if you don't want people to read your enlightening thoughts on how "the soul's health supersedes care of body", I would use a different email address. Moreschi (talk) 10:22, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

and then the other "evil twin" goes :

Yeah, I received a similar e-mail from someone operating under the mistaken assumption I give a monkey's who Ottava is in real life. I see Ottava has been conducting "research" into Folantin/Moreschi. He would have saved himself a lot of time looking through all those AfDs had he realised we were both founder members of WikiProject:Deletion with Elaragirl long, long ago. I plead guilty to the charge of depriving Wikipedia of pages on such vital subjects as The Wussy Boy Manifesto and Snifferanto. I haven't bothered with that project for ages because there are plenty of other people who can be relied on to take out the trash. Nowadays I'm more likely to save valuable articles from being zapped by overzealous new page patrollers, e.g. Vladimir Narbut (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vladimir Narbut - BTW that AFD got a brief mention in The New York Review of Books). I'm not sure what the point of your "research" is given most of the pages you are "analysing" are from way before you even appeared on Wikipedia. Maybe it was part of a proleptic cabal against you. --Folantin (talk) 11:09, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

So, somebody tipped 'em off, eh?

This is getting to be more interesting by the minute!

On evidence page, OR takes the more elegant stance and simply defends his actions, without hurling invective at anyone else.

Moreschi and Folantin hysterically post accusations, without discussing the underlying conflicts.

Who loses in this kind of situation?

If ARBCOM were to go about this intelligently, they would look at the past history of all editors and see the underlying pattern of abuse on the part of Moreschi, Folantin et Cie...

However, what they will probably do is only look at what is on the page and make the most simple decision, which is to exclude the one person who isn't pointing fingers, namely OR.

I'm not saying that OR doesn't deserve some kind of chastisement for his actions. I'm only saying that Moreschi and Folantin are just as guilty, if not more so, and also need to be restricted for interacting with OR, and threatened with other sanctions if they do this type of tagteam operation again.

[the fieryangel]

A lot of high-jinx hijinx by Moreschi and Folantin has been documented here by yours truly Perhaps a run-down of some of these incidents might be useful :

The Tagteam in action

Lucky that you don't like Opera, since although one would think that it would a relatively calm place to edit, when you decide to (for example) oppose the idea of promoting an article about an obscure Handel Opera to GA status, you then get the Evil Twins Moreschi and Folantin attacking your own pet good article using tactics which seem closer to Pro Wrestling than classical music. Here Moreschi handles an unnecessary wikilink with a headlock. Here, he replaces "evil and wrong semicolons with commas" with religious zeal.. Folantin dutifully adds http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?t I'm sure that Fred Chess regrets having dared to say that perhaps the Evil Twins weren't behaving according to AGF and WP:Civil....

Moreschi seems to be especially taken with Elaragirl. In this post, he promises to take up the deletionist slack while she's away by replacing his usual knife with a double-edged ax. He's been wacking away ever since trying to get the attention of this damsel in distress. And here he shows those pesky vandals that he's a graduate of the Elaragirl school of charm and manners, defending her userpage to the death.

We're not socks: it just looks that way

CHL/ONE weighs in on Moreschi's out-of-process block of GretaB

Folantin uses his Userpage for personal attacks

Another instance of Folantin's Userpage used for personal attacks

So, who's being distruptive here?

[MZMcBride]

A lot of high-jinx by Moreschi and Folantin has by documented here by yours truly Perhaps a run-down of some of these incidents might be useful :

All of the fun that comes from using the term "hijinx" (or "hijinks") is derived from being about to use three dotted letters in a row. Sheesh.

[Milton Roe]

A lot of high-jinx by Moreschi and Folantin has by documented here by yours truly Perhaps a run-down of some of these incidents might be useful :

All of the fun that comes from using the term "hijinx" (or "hijinks") is derived from being about to use three dotted letters in a row. Sheesh.

A fun word. I'll put it in my list of fun words.

Bookkeeper
Phlegm
Hijinks

Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz.

[MZMcBride]

A lot of high-jinx by Moreschi and Folantin has by documented here by yours truly Perhaps a run-down of some of these incidents might be useful :

All of the fun that comes from using the term "hijinx" (or "hijinks") is derived from being about to use three dotted letters in a row. Sheesh.

A fun word. I'll put it in my list of fun words.

Bookkeeper
Phlegm
Hijinks

Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz.

"nth" is great as it contains no vowels. "ixnay" is great for playing hangman or SCRABBLE®. (Is this thread sufficiently off-topic yet?)

[Somey]

(Is this thread sufficiently off-topic yet?)

Well, like I posted earlier, if the whole point is to keep the words "Ottava leaves Wikipedia" on the WR homepage as long as possible, or at least long enough for it to stimulate the "pleasure centers" of everyones' brains, then it really doesn't matter what we talk about, as long as the thread title remains constant.

So let me ask you all this, then: Is it really appropriate for a 50-year old in 2009 to go to a cocktail lounge and request that the 67-year-old entertainer play Perry Como songs? Or is that, like, "ageism"?

[the fieryangel]

let me ask you all this, then: Is it really appropriate for a 50-year old in 2009 to go to a cocktail lounge and request that the 67-year-old entertainer play Perry Como songs? Or is that, like, "ageism"?

Hey, it's trad, Dad! Hot diggeity!

On a related note, it's looks as if OR is starting to put the pieces together.

As I've said before, the only real solution here is to place editing restrictions on Moreschi and Folantin to avoid interactions with OR, and to forbid Moreschi to take any administrative action against him.

...and it might be nice if, for once, the Arbcom told these people that the rules apply to them too!

[Somey]

On a related note, it's looks as if OR is starting to put the pieces together.

He's giving it his best shot, but as usual, he can't resist adding the inflammatory and utterly false misdirection towards the end, where he includes the line "Moreschi attacks my faith and real life work," followed by links to three diffs in which Moreschi does absolutely nothing of the sort. Obviously this is a classic, time-honored Wikipedian tactic, but you'd think he'd realize that he'd be under more scrutiny than the average gamer by now.

...and it might be nice if, for once, the Arbcom told these people that the rules apply to them too!

Well, they could tell them, but they're never going to believe it.