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[Coffee]

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[Mathsci]

Nice to see that fieryangel is using this as an opportunity to get back at wikiproject music editors. There's nothing like settling a grudge, is there? Funny thing when wikipedia doesn't have articles on Francis Poulenc's sextet for piano and wind but has plenty of articles on the lesser known works of "Les Six". (I wrote the article on Darius Milhaud's wind quintet, but then again I wasn't the publisher.)

The OUTING of Ottava Rima has been noticed on wikipedia and the giveway quote on Moreschi's talk page removed. It might be oversighted although it's probably too late, particularly since the quote has been posted in this thread, I agree with Fowler&Fowler that OR's writing skills, even as a would-be rural hack, are not impressive, certainly not those I would expect of a professional writer. One of those whom OR has attacked is Dieter Bachmann whose biography can be read here. It's very hard to imagine why, since dab is completely reasonable and very knowledgeable. He is also almost 70.

OR does remind me a bit of Peter Haines. There are various similarities. Things worked out fine for Peter in the end.

[the fieryangel]

Nice to see that fieryangel is using this as an opportunity to get back at wikiproject music editors. There's nothing like settling a grudge, is there? Funny thing when wikipedia doesn't have articles on Francis Poulenc's sextet for piano and wind but has plenty of articles on the lesser known works of "Les Six". (I wrote the article on Darius Milhaud's wind quintet, but then again I wasn't the publisher.)

Neither was I, although I was accused of that. (I wish I was, however...). I would write the article about Poulenc's sextet, but I was told that I have a COI because of Les Six....even though I don't publish anything by Poulenc....and, of course, I'm still indefinitely blocked, out of process, by Moreschi...

Moreschi and Folantin have abused this system for too long. Hopefully, they'll get what they deserve.

If anything that I do furthers this objective, so be it.

Clear?

An appropriate encyclopedic approach to the world religions is to catalog the beliefs practices variations viewed from inside each of the various thought systems, not figure out which one is right of better.

Exactly. Which is why things such as the Fringe Theory Noticeboard should not exist. An encyclopedia is not in the business of judging. It's only purpose is to describe how things are, at any given time. So, pasting "fringe" labels on things is outside of the act of creating an encyclopedia.

The OUTING of Ottava Rima has been noticed on wikipedia and the giveway quote on Moreschi's talk page removed. It might be oversighted although it's probably too late, particularly since the quote has been posted in this thread,

Yup, nice friends you've got over there...Moreschi just isn't very smart to begin with.... (PS if OR wants this information redacted here, all he needs to do is to post that on his talkpage...However, I believe that this incident is more valuable to him if the proof remains documented here.)

[the fieryangel]

Antandrus presents his "evidence"...

...except, that when you follow the links to so-called "incivility" and "personal attacks", two things become clear: Antandrus is not a neutral party here at all and OR is being goaded into making these attacks.

Clearly, the problem is with both sides. Perhaps finally this point will become apparent.

Just because one is a longterm "content producer" doesn't mean that one has a pass to IAR...

[the fieryangel]

I'll let Bishonen comment on this important piece of "evidence" herself :

===It Was Not a Coincidence===

And finally, the quality, the worthwhileness, of the entire encyclopedia is compromised by my presence, haha! <big><big> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bishonen&diff=319096031&oldid=319085290]</big></big> By me! Memememememememememe! Clickclickclickclick on the linklink! [''/me cackles dementedly, dons [[tinfoil hat]].'' ] [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 16:18, 15 November 2009 (UTC).

So, Bishonen, is this helpful?

(I think that they're all losing their marbles over there....)

If you follow that link, you get this :

:Don't pretend to be the victim. You came to the [[Drapier's Letters]] while it was at FAC and removed something that was utterly essential without discussion. You knew that it was the original dispute between Geogre and I, and you knew that Swift articles were the original problem because you were involved in it. It was not a coincidence that you came there and decided to antagonize and started deleting things inappropriately. You should have been banned long, long ago for your constant abuse and shady tactics. Then this encyclopedia would actually be something worth while. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 19:02, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

No "fuck offs", No "stupid twats", nothing even remotely close to the things that JzG dishes out without even a warning...Not nearly as snide as Slimmy can be.

Are you people's skins getting thinner or something? Or it that tinfoil hat on your head?

(and maybe, just maybe, these people also need to start following the rules too? and maybe she should have been banned for some of this, since other were indeed banned for much less?)

So, ARBCOM, do the rules apply to everybody or do they not? That's the question here.

Just for the record : I sent an email to several ARBCOM members about this inappropriate behavior on an "evidence" page for an ARBCOM case. We'll see if anything is done...

[the fieryangel]

Céci explique peut-être cela :

===Geogre's sockpuppetry===

Please see the now deleted Bishonen 4 RfC for evidence of Bishonen knowing that Geogre had a sock puppet for a very long time, aiding that sock puppetry, hiding that sock puppetry, and not doing anything to stop an admin with a sock puppet in edit wars, ban discussions, deletion of pages, and other forms of harassment. Please also note the intersections of this sock puppetry, including the April 2008 DRV, Moreschi's indef block of my account all listed above, Moreschi deleting the RfC out of process and my being blocked for restoring an RfC which had no AfD or correct CSD which would have made any prohibition of restoring it. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 16:11, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Moreschi acting out of process again? You don't say?

We must have a thread somewhere about this busines, but I can't find it...

[Somey]

We must have a thread somewhere about this busines, but I can't find it...

I'm pretty sure it was mentioned, but IIRC it was while Ottava was an active member here, so naturally it immediately devolved into a flamewar between him and everyone else, godless heathen scum that we are.

Frankly, most of us probably would have been cheering the Bishonen/Geogre/Moreschi team on during that incident, rather than pointing out any perceived hypocrisy or lack of fairness on their part.

The OUTING of Ottava Rima has been noticed on wikipedia and the giveway quote on Moreschi's talk page removed. It might be oversighted although it's probably too late, particularly since the quote has been posted in this thread...

True, but they won't find us by Googling his name, which is the main thing. I actually think this is one of those cases where it's important that Wikipedians know where this particular "editor" is coming from, ideologically speaking. That doesn't mean they have to know anything more than his name and where to find his column - they don't - but regardless, this is definitely not a person who appears to be inclined towards "neutrality" on much of anything, despite his protestations to the contrary.

Ottava is also fortunate in that there's a perennial third-party presidential candidate with the same name as him, whose politics are about as far from Ottava's as one can practically get. Most of the Google hits, etc., are going to be for that guy, which is always nice if you're trying to stay "under the radar."

...I agree with Fowler&Fowler that OR's writing skills, even as a would-be rural hack, are not impressive, certainly not those I would expect of a professional writer.

But they are those I would expect of a semi-professional polemicist... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/bored.gif)

[Ceoil]

"the likes of Bishonen, who at this point is nothing more than a troll".

Kelly you have been a self admitted troll for what now two years? And a bit? Stones should not be thrown, as I think such a role is valued, it gives people licence to say what the think, rather than what they can get away with, and honesty in WP is a rare currency.

I would be from the far spectrum of Ottava's beliefs and values, but to be fair, he never hid his identity, and while all the drama surrounding the RCC FACs and related RFC's were going on, he never stepped in; to his credit.

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[Ceoil]

Bishonen is still cranking out the odd FA or two, while all the while casting a haughty eye on the rest of us. She is not inclined to shoot blanks, or suffer fools, and for that we thank her.

I would not position her with Kelly, whom, it must be said, is not inclined to shoot blanks, or suffer fools any day. But the roles are different.

Um, I had a point earlier...........gone from me mind now.

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[Ceoil]

"It stands to reason that Wikipedia would draw ego-driven writers"

You were never a writer, I never saw an interest in content from you. So what is it you were? That you can judge now. "semi-talented" - "for the ego thrill". You were a player.

"Her motivations have always been toward getting her content published". As opposed to what, exactly. Being septic (and read by 1,000's), as you were?

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[A Horse With No Name]

"It stands to reason that Wikipedia would draw ego-driven writers"

Ego-driven writers? I've yet to meet a writer who wasn't ego-driven! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif)