A general question regarding Brandt and WP: NPA, One rule for one? Options

[Jonathan]

Why is it that it is okay for members of the Wikipedia Brethren/Cabal to constantly call Brandt all sorts of horrendous names as expertly covered in Brandt's website when WP: NPA is quite possibly the most overly quoted policy used by admins (other than, of course, WP: AGF).

Is it the case that members of the Wikipedia Elite ™ are basically able to do whatever the fuck they want? Cool! In which case, it would be great to infiltrate Wikipedia by becoming an admin, because then you could use your shiny brand new powers to send Wikipedia crashing to oblivion from within. And considering as how Wikipedia will probably be dead and buried in 10, maybe 15 or perhaps 20 years time, just who is going to give a damn when a beacon of abuse and unreliability goes down in flames?

But seriously, the fact that people like Raul, Snowspinner and Freakofnurture and SlimVirgin can do what they like is deeply troubling. I can't understand why Jimmy can't simply revoke their adminship status and ban them forever. Just what the hell can they do?

[Daniel Brandt]

SlimVirgin started the bio on me before I ever became a user on Wikipedia. I noticed the stub on a search engine, and emailed SlimVirgin to object. She replied that they don't take articles down just because someone doesn't want their biography on Wikipedia. Jimmy backed her up and scolded me. Then I signed up as a User, primarily to see what would happen if I challenged my bio as a User. I have never had any interest whatsoever in editing Wikipedia apart from this. I saw my User experience as a way to learn more about how Wikipedia operates. It worked -- I learned a lot about who has the power and who doesn't. I learned that subjects of articles have zero power.

That seemed perverse to me at the time, and it still does. As the situation evolved, they ganged up on me and my article got longer and longer. Gamaliel, who was a grad student in library science, had access to databases and pulled out stuff from 30+ years ago to expand the article. What started as a couple of paragraphs got longer and longer. I was banned twice for legal threats. I think intelligent legal threats are entirely appropriate in civil society -- what's the purpose of the law if you aren't allowed to reference it? Civil law is a way to keep people from taking justice into their own hands when they get mad, but Wikipedia feels that it's above the law because Web 2.0 is its own law.

I want the whole thing deleted. I've learned a lot about the legal situation with respect to Wikipedia, and I've learned a lot about who the people are behind Wikipedia. I think time is on my side, and my bio will get deleted someday. In the meantime, Wikipedia's reputation will take hits from me whenever I can manage it.

They should just admit that SlimVirgin exercised poor judgement in starting that stub on me, and take the thing down. Even SlimVirgin has argued for a take-down on the mailing list. But the teenie-boppers won't have it, and they will fight to keep the article merely because I need to be taught a lesson. Okay, I'm up for a war.

Meanwhile, the Foundation office pretends that they are a service provider and not a publisher, so they don't even answer my emails and faxes. They have to pretend that they're hands-off in order to argue that they have immunity under Section 230. My feeling is that they don't have a case any way you look at it.

But because they keep hands-off, the situation deteriorates thanks to the teenie-boppers who need their ego trips. By now it's like Lord of the Flies -- the teenagers (and that includes some older editors who are immature) control the situation by default.

[nobs]

SlimVirgin started the bio on me before I ever became a user on Wikipedia. ...

Can anyone add anything further about SlimVirgin's rationale to begin this stub. Slim does not act randomly, and it must've been related to some other areas she was involved in at that point. And I know broadly some of the things she was involved with just then, too. Let's walk the dog backwards....

[Somey]

Can anyone add anything further about SlimVirgin's rationale to begin this stub. Slim does not act randomly, and it must've been related to some other areas she was involved in at that point. And I know broadly some of the things she was involved with just then, too. Let's walk the dog backwards....

Nobs, you're not getting Alzheimer's, are you? (No offense to Alzheimer's sufferers...!) This post by Herschelkrustofsky answered that question a month ago, and it was in this very same thread, in response to essentially the same question, posted by you yourself...?

So are you looking for something that predates even that? There probably isn't anything, IMO. Remember, we're talking about Slimmy here - she doesn't need a reason to go on the attack, overtly or covertly. She just does it - that's how she is. You're right that she doesn't act randomly, but she doesn't act congenially, either, if you know what I'm sayin'. I almost admire her sheer determination and tenacity, actually - I just wish she would use her powers for goodness, instead of badness. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sad.gif)

[nobs]

Can anyone add anything further about SlimVirgin's rationale to begin this stub. Slim does not act randomly, and it must've been related to some other areas she was involved in at that point. And I know broadly some of the things she was involved with just then, too. Let's walk the dog backwards....

Nobs, you're not getting Alzheimer's, are you? (No offense to Alzheimer's sufferers...!) This post by Herschelkrustofsky answered that question a month ago, and it was in this very same thread, in response to essentially the same question, posted by you yourself...?

So are you looking for something that predates even that? There probably isn't anything, IMO. Remember, we're talking about Slimmy here - she doesn't need a reason to go on the attack, overtly or covertly. She just does it - that's how she is. You're right that she doesn't act randomly, but she doesn't act congenially, either, if you know what I'm sayin'. I almost admire her sheer determination and tenacity, actually - I just wish she would use her powers for goodness, instead of badness. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sad.gif)

OK (hey let's not criticize Alzheimers vicitms; I'd probably vote for Reagan over any alternative the oppostion fielded over the past twenty years, even in his advanced debilitated condition).

So SlimVirgin = Linda Mack is the theory. Must confess, Brandts's evidence is "strong and convincing but remains circumstancial" (cut and pasted from compromise language we just agreed to for Alger Hiss = ALES controversy when I return). For the record I would like to insert some comments regarding my interaction with Slim (and yes, the Brandt bio was created at a particular point when several users were accussed of "acting in concert" by adding critical material to the Chip Berlet article).

Slim and I worked together on Mutaween, an article I created to solve a dispute elsewhere, if I recall. It was a productive relationship, and I was very impressed with her attention to detail. At the time I thought she was moreless stalking myself and/or another user named Yuber. But Brandt's information now sheds more light on her interest in an obscure Islamic subject of this nature.

The other interaction with her was more lengthy, and I felt her use of the alleged policy, "extraordinay claims require extraordinary sources" was abusive, particularly since my sources were the Washington Post, an H.L Mencken winner (just like Berlet), and DoD publication. But none of this is reason to cease AGF with her when I return. And I believe she respects me as I respect her. Problem is, I've been encouraged to forget the details that led to my banning. Nonetheless, I was intimately (if that's the word to use) involved with her precisely at the time this dispute with Brandt erupted.

P.S. Arbitration was filed against me (and the cooked up conspiracy of users "acting in concert", one of which is now an Admin on this board) after SlimVirgin had exhausted and failed all efforts to argue Wikipedia policy against inclusion with me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...992316#Proposal