Bishonen indef-blocks FT2, Holy crap, he hasn't been desysopped by Jimbo Options

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[Somey]

Good thing he already has a WR account! That should save him some time.

[Anonymous editor]

unblocked 10 minutes later by another admin.

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[trenton]

....and unblocked by crony Scarian...

Incidentally anybody want to start a pool on the word count of FT2's "clarification"? My guess is 20,404 words which will probably amount to the Essjay defense of "I had to lie to protect myself and my family from the uber-evil WR stalkers"

[Kelly Martin]

I guess the WikiDramaQuotient (WDQ) had dropped too low, what with the ArbCom elections being over and all.

[Peter Damian]

F--- I was just going to bed how dare she do that.

[Bottled_Spider]

This is going to be fun.

[SirFozzie]

.... WHAFUCK????

15 edit conflicts before I could post.

ANI Go Boom!

I hope Bishonen thought long and hard about the amount of heat she's about to take before she did this.

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[everyking]

It is simply ludicrous that people think they can solve problems like this. Yes, FT2 is obviously unfit to be an arbitrator, and arguably unfit to hold any position of responsibility on the site. But for Bishonen to swoop in and ban him based solely on her own say-so? It's just incredible to me that Wikipedia cannot grow out of such stupidity. FT2 is a long-standing contributor and any decision about blocking him should be based on the will of the community, not a single admin's say-so. Regardless of what happens to FT2, Bishonen (and/or her dinosaur alter-ego) should be desysopped.

[Dzonatas]

....and unblocked by crony Scarian...

Incidentally anybody want to start a pool on the word count of FT2's "clarification"? My guess is 20,404 words which will probably amount to the Essjay defense of "I had to lie to protect myself and my family from the uber-evil WR stalkers"

I thought there was an ArbCom decision that admins shouldn't undo actions of other admins because it would be a wheel-war and lead to suspension of sysop bits and such. (Connely & George)

[Anonymous editor]

reading the thread.

Obviously Bish has just heavily invested in popcorn stocks and is trying to make a quick return on investment. *munch* –xeno (talk) 21:48, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Damned right. Pass the salt. GbT/c 21:49, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Spot on.

[cyofee]

It is simply ludicrous that people think they can solve problems like this. Yes, FT2 is obviously unfit to be an arbitrator, and arguably unfit to hold any position of responsibility on the site. But for Bishonen to swoop in and ban him based solely on her own say-so? It's just incredible to me that Wikipedia cannot grow out of such stupidity. FT2 is a long-standing contributor and any decision about blocking him should be based on the will of the community, not a single admin's say-so. Regardless of what happens to FT2, Bishonen (and/or her dinosaur alter-ego) should be desysopped.

Bishonen just followed WP:BOLD.

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[EricBarbour]

FT2 is an obvious kook, and makes the entire project look ridiculous. It only shows how poorly things work here that he could get any position of responsibility, much less keep it for any length of time. However, I can't imagine this block will stick, and I can see all manner of drama ensuing. I think social ostracism works better than a block in cases like this. Friday (talk) 21:31, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
I seriously think Bishonen should start an RFC on FT2. Blocking him like this is punitive. The encyclopedia isn't being damaged with him editing it. Majorly talk 21:33, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm not exactly sure what good this is supposed to do. What exactly is the block going to prevent - and if we're going to be creative - what behavior, practice, norm, policy, or principle is being assuaged here?--Tznkai (talk) 21:34, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
WP:RFC time. Gwen Gale (talk) 21:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Friday, please don't throw around terms like "kook". This is a delicate matter and inflammatory words might only cause problems. Ottava Rima (talk) 21:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

It's good to see that more people are starting to talk about FT2's insane behaviour.
He still has his brown-nosers, but general opinion seems to be moving against him.

About time, after FIVE YEARS of his backstabbing and meaningless verbal diarrhea.....

Hah! 13 votes of confidence, 63 votes of no confidence.....

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Clearly she's fed up with FT2's inability (or deliberate refusal) to give a straightforward answer to an apparently simple question. My guess is that she hopes the heat of a massive dramafest will force him to either answer or bail.

[SirFozzie]

It is simply ludicrous that people think they can solve problems like this. Yes, FT2 is obviously unfit to be an arbitrator, and arguably unfit to hold any position of responsibility on the site. But for Bishonen to swoop in and ban him based solely on her own say-so? It's just incredible to me that Wikipedia cannot grow out of such stupidity. FT2 is a long-standing contributor and any decision about blocking him should be based on the will of the community, not a single admin's say-so. Regardless of what happens to FT2, Bishonen (and/or her dinosaur alter-ego) should be desysopped.

Bishonen just followed WP:BOLD.

There's also been WP:REVERT, and now we're on WP:DISCUSSing how unnecessarily BOLD and ill-advised it was. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)

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[Anonymous editor]

Clearly she's fed up with FT2's inability (or deliberate refusal) to give a straightforward answer to an apparently simple question. My guess is that she hopes the heat of a massive dramafest will force him to either answer or bail.

I'm struggling to understand how she could think causing a huge dramafest is a positive result. What is her goal here?

[Dzonatas]

I'm surprised the unblock hasn't been taken to ArbCom for the wheel-war bit.

Hypocrisy at a finest.

[SirFozzie]

That is the first time I've seen ANI full protected due to excessive usage.

[Sarcasticidealist]

I'm surprised the unblock hasn't been taken to ArbCom for the wheel-war bit.

As far as I am aware, nobody has ever been sanctioned for wheel-warring for undoing a single admin action (that hadn't already been undone). According to the letter of [[WP:WHEEL]], wheel-warring doesn't actually start until somebody redoes an admin action that has already been undone once, and I believe that's usually how it's enforced (when it's enforced).

[Anonymous editor]

You know, time was we blocked editors for disruption. Blocking to get attention and make a fuss doesn't seem very sensible to me. --TS 21:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

agree

[trenton]

I'm surprised the unblock hasn't been taken to ArbCom for the wheel-war bit.

Hypocrisy at a finest.

The block should have been labeled as "Arbitration Enforcement" (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[SirFozzie]

I'm surprised the unblock hasn't been taken to ArbCom for the wheel-war bit.

As far as I am aware, nobody has ever been sanctioned for wheel-warring for undoing a single admin action (that hadn't already been undone). According to the letter of [[WP:WHEEL]], wheel-warring doesn't actually start until somebody redoes an admin action that has already been undone once, and I believe that's usually how it's enforced (when it's enforced).

Correct. There's an additional caveat , however, that undoing an Arbitration Committee Action (or an ArbCom Enforcement action, which by default is an arbitration action) unilaterally without discussion is considered a "Real Bad Thing." (That came out recently)

[Anonymous editor]

sarcasticidealist (who is here and I'm sure will comment) put AN/I back on semi-protection.

also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...otection_of_ANI

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[EricBarbour]

damn, this is one hot topic.

FT2 finally did it. He's become the OJ Simpson of Arbcom. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[Sarcasticidealist]

sarcasticidealist (who is here and I'm sure will comment) put AN/I back on semi-protection.

I actually misunderstood Tznkai's protection summary ("temporary halting high traffic to subpage"). I thought he meant that he was halting high traffic *to* a subpage (that being ANI). It didn't occur to me that "subpage" could be used as a verb. If I'd understood his summary properly, I wouldn't have unprotected. Oh well.

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[written by he who wrote it]

Clearly she's fed up with FT2's inability (or deliberate refusal) to give a straightforward answer to an apparently simple question. My guess is that she hopes the heat of a massive dramafest will force him to either answer or bail.

I'm struggling to understand how she could think causing a huge dramafest is a positive result. What is her goal here?

To shine a big effin' spotlight on FT2's bad behavior? To force FT2, and the arbcom, to quit stalling and either admit to misuse of oversight or explain why it wasn't actually a misuse? It's MeatBall:DirectAction.

[wikiwhistle]

It is simply ludicrous that people think they can solve problems like this. Yes, FT2 is obviously unfit to be an arbitrator, and arguably unfit to hold any position of responsibility on the site. But for Bishonen to swoop in and ban him based solely on her own say-so? It's just incredible to me that Wikipedia cannot grow out of such stupidity. FT2 is a long-standing contributor and any decision about blocking him should be based on the will of the community, not a single admin's say-so. Regardless of what happens to FT2, Bishonen (and/or her dinosaur alter-ego) should be desysopped.

It is bullying IMHO, what reason did she give? No-one can say he's disruptive, exceptionally, as an editor.

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[Dzonatas]

I'm surprised the unblock hasn't been taken to ArbCom for the wheel-war bit.

As far as I am aware, nobody has ever been sanctioned for wheel-warring for undoing a single admin action (that hadn't already been undone). According to the letter of [[WP:WHEEL]], wheel-warring doesn't actually start until somebody redoes an admin action that has already been undone once, and I believe that's usually how it's enforced (when it's enforced).

Found the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...am_M._Connolley

[Milton Roe]

I hope Bishonen thought long and hard about the amount of heat she's about to take before she did this.

Yeah, as in (IMG:http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll191/Shrlocc/Bishzilla_blink.gif)

Shame the flaming Godzilla version of Bish never made it to sysop, or the block could have been done by "it" as an even more drawwhmaitc move. Zoophilia fought with a radioactive Japanese monstermovie creature. Hmmm. Appropriate.

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/obliterate.gif)

[Black Kite]

I'm surprised the unblock hasn't been taken to ArbCom for the wheel-war bit.

Well, sort of

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[Anonymous editor]

I hope Bishonen thought long and hard about the amount of heat she's about to take before she did this.

Yeah, as in (IMG:http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll191/Shrlocc/Bishzilla_blink.gif)

Shame the flaming Godzilla version of Bish never made it to sysop, or the block could have been done by "it" as an even more drawwhmaitc move. Zoophilia fought with a radioactive Japanese monstermovie creature. Hmmm. Appropriate.

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/obliterate.gif)

the block was done by Bishzilla. Bishonen doesn't perform admin activities except through her sock.

[Sarcasticidealist]

Shame the flaming Godzilla version of Bish never made it to sysop, or the block could have been done by "it"

It was done by it - she had the bit transferred.

[JoseClutch]

It is simply ludicrous that people think they can solve problems like this. Yes, FT2 is obviously unfit to be an arbitrator, and arguably unfit to hold any position of responsibility on the site. But for Bishonen to swoop in and ban him based solely on her own say-so? It's just incredible to me that Wikipedia cannot grow out of such stupidity. FT2 is a long-standing contributor and any decision about blocking him should be based on the will of the community, not a single admin's say-so. Regardless of what happens to FT2, Bishonen (and/or her dinosaur alter-ego) should be desysopped.

I never would have expect to see you in the "longstanding contributors should be unaccountable for their actions" crowd, who seem to be the ones advocating this hogwash.

[Milton Roe]

Shame the flaming Godzilla version of Bish never made it to sysop, or the block could have been done by "it"

It was done by it - she had the bit transferred.

Yikes. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) Should have checked. Too many times when I parody or satirize WP for the lulz, I find the real thing has already equalled or outdone me. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/confused.gif)

[Dzonatas]

I'm surprised the unblock hasn't been taken to ArbCom for the wheel-war bit.

Well, sort of

*gasp*

Statement by Jehochman

I suggest the entire matter be sent to Jimbo for sorting. The Committee is not competent to handle this matter, or they would have done so already. Jehochman Talk 22:37, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

[everyking]

It is simply ludicrous that people think they can solve problems like this. Yes, FT2 is obviously unfit to be an arbitrator, and arguably unfit to hold any position of responsibility on the site. But for Bishonen to swoop in and ban him based solely on her own say-so? It's just incredible to me that Wikipedia cannot grow out of such stupidity. FT2 is a long-standing contributor and any decision about blocking him should be based on the will of the community, not a single admin's say-so. Regardless of what happens to FT2, Bishonen (and/or her dinosaur alter-ego) should be desysopped.

I never would have expect to see you in the "longstanding contributors should be unaccountable for their actions" crowd, who seem to be the ones advocating this hogwash.

Accountable to the community. Not to Bishonen acting as an individual admin. Bishonen could propose action to the community, but it's unacceptable for her to make the judgment and carry out the sentence without any community deliberation.

[SirFozzie]

Jimbo has already stated he's not going to act on this.

[Bottled_Spider]

My guess is that she hopes the heat of a massive dramafest will force him to either answer or bail.

I'm struggling to understand how she could think causing a huge dramafest is a positive result. What is her goal here?

Erm ........... She hopes the heat of a massive dramafest will force him to either answer or bail? No? Yes? Hello? Jesus.........

[everyking]

Durova's summary in the RfAr is excellent. She correctly observes that any action against FT2 should be taken after due deliberation and not on the say-so of a lone admin. She even points out Bishonen's inappropriate use of a joke account to carry out admin actions.

[Moulton]

I'm surprised the unblock hasn't been taken to ArbCom for the wheel-war bit.

Well, sort of

*gasp*

Statement by Jehochman

I suggest the entire matter be sent to Jimbo for sorting. The Committee is not competent to handle this matter, or they would have done so already. Jehochman Talk 22:37, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Jimbo has already stated he's not going to act on this.

This scenario is exemplary of what I call a Polionic System.