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Over at Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Indef_block_of_Malleus_Fatuorum_requires_review and assorted other places there are some cunts (to borrow Malleus's terminology) who resent the fact that some people respect productive editors who may occasionally be a bit rude more than the idiots who block them. Just goes to show that really do think Wikipedia is an MMORPG and not an exercise in creating an encyclopedia.

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Doc, serious question - what is your fixation on Malleus? I don't really get why you are going after him. There are actual people in power that need to be removed and the best way to do that is with such trench warfare. Why target Malleus? He has no power, isn't respected by the WMF, etc. It seems a little backwards and it kinda makes you look like a bully.

Do I feel that way about you? Nah. You know I like you regardless of what you think about me. But I also feel the same way about Malleus. I just find it odd.

I have to say, at least Cla is constantly going after the right people to go after if you think going after people is good.



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I think the subjunctive has gone the way of Malleus. Perhaps it needs to be constantly banned, too. However, I doubt such a thing would cause any drama.

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QUOTE(Ottava @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 3:02pm) *

Doc, serious question - what is your fixation on Malleus? I don't really get why you are going after him. There are actual people in power that need to be removed and the best way to do that is with such trench warfare. Why target Malleus? He has no power, isn't respected by the WMF, etc. It seems a little backwards and it kinda makes you look like a bully.

Do I feel that way about you? Nah. You know I like you regardless of what you think about me. But I also feel the same way about Malleus. I just find it odd.

Who cares what Doc claims to think, certainly not me. But in the Christmas spirit let me say this; you and I haven't always seen eye to eye Ottava, and I've no reason to believe that we always will in the future, but I think the way you were treated by ArbCom was disgraceful. Wikipedia is certainly not a better place as a result of your extended exile. Quite the opposite really.
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QUOTE(Malleus @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 2:05pm) *


Who cares what Doc claims to think, certainly not me.



You have a point. But I care about this.

StrawCat's additions were absolute rubbish, as are the adding of templates that question cited material. I am bothered by the guy taking a nice metaphor that Johnson didn't feel needed to be explained and then using really crappy sources to ruin it. Looking at some of the changes Sandy didn't revert, it changes quite a bit of the tone, makes the paragraphing choppy, etc. Like the removal of the "although" regarding Tory disconnects the reader from easily seeing that Tories didn't necessary think the way Johnson did on those issues.

He claims in his summary "The 'although' presupposes that Tories and Jacobites were antagonistic; this was not necessarily the case", which makes it obvious that he never read any of the source material.

Then you have things like adding a "dubious" template. The source clearly says "It must be said, to begin with, that Johnson is not, and does not wish to be, a critical ''theorist''." It is hard to be more blunt than that, but this guy, without any sources nor any background, adds a dubious template.


This is why you need to be able to edit, because I can't protect the page from such outright disruption and trolling. Dozens of my pages get that treatment, especially when people randomly change language to say the opposite of the source material or add templates claiming that the source can't possibly say what it most blatantly says. And yet, if you get banned, no one will be there to defend -that- page.

So stop your fucking whining, get unblocked during the ArbCom case, and fix that damn page instead of just leaving without any one able to do it. Because Sandy doesn't bother to listen to me and I don't sock, so you are the only one who will even bother. There are tens of thousands of page hits, but these pages take people with the actual sources and knowledge to know what is right or wrong.

ArbCom wont bother to let me, an expert, fix the pages. They claim that I only want my preferred version and they use my desire to have these pages to actually reflect the source material, not have original research, and not have plagiarism as proof I need to be banned. I have plenty of emails saying such things, and even Jclemens recently said it to me and it is sad that people bothered to let him back in. Risker and Roger Davies, two of Sandy's pets, are some of the worst when it comes to content as they actively oppose fixing pages. So if you really want to say screw you to ArbCom, you get your unblock for right now and fix these pages while you still can.

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QUOTE(Ottava @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 7:42pm) *
So if you really want to say screw you to ArbCom, you get your unblock for right now and fix these pages while you still can.

I can't fix anything Ottava, and I'm certainly not going to be asked to be unblocked. Never have, never will.
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Retrospect   The subtitle is a bit wrong. Quite a few admins a...  
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Ottava   When will people realize that Wikipedia either can...  
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