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QUOTE(LaraLove @ Wed 15th July 2009, 6:53am) QUOTE(sbrown @ Wed 15th July 2009, 2:47am) Whats he doing on Commons? Hes an admin there but has made no edits in months. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:...tions/RootologyWhat's he doing? I think you just answered your own question: Nothing. And "nothing" is acceptable according to the Commons inactivity process.
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QUOTE(everyking @ Wed 15th July 2009, 12:57pm) Although Rootology has retired, he gets to keep the honorary title of "founding member" of the Advisory Council. I seem to recall that his short-lived Advisory Council work mainly involved slagging off people like me, arguing that we were only opposed to the Council because we had been sanctioned in the past, and telling us that we were all doomed unless we accepted the ArbCom's edicts--so of course it's important to recognize his contributions to setting the tone and style of this new body's work! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) You just get more and more annoying. Go expand Ashlee Simpson. Take her back to FA... doesn't she deseve it? If you really loved her, you'd care enough to make it happen.
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QUOTE(LaraLove @ Wed 15th July 2009, 6:29pm) QUOTE(everyking @ Wed 15th July 2009, 12:57pm) Although Rootology has retired, he gets to keep the honorary title of "founding member" of the Advisory Council. I seem to recall that his short-lived Advisory Council work mainly involved slagging off people like me, arguing that we were only opposed to the Council because we had been sanctioned in the past, and telling us that we were all doomed unless we accepted the ArbCom's edicts--so of course it's important to recognize his contributions to setting the tone and style of this new body's work! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) You just get more and more annoying. Go expand Ashlee Simpson. Take her back to FA... doesn't she deseve it? If you really loved her, you'd care enough to make it happen. Are you officially advising me in your capacity as a member of the Advisory Council? If so, do you mind if I reciprocate with some advice of my own? It will have to be unofficial advice, because I don't have a title, but I think it's pretty good advice anyway. I think you should go write some content--you pick the article. I looked through your last 100 contributions and only found one article edit, and that one was to nominate an article for deletion. Are you sure your advice is going to be well-grounded if you aren't out there actively editing articles? I don't want the ArbCom to be getting bad advice, you know! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)
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QUOTE(everyking @ Wed 15th July 2009, 1:48pm) QUOTE(LaraLove @ Wed 15th July 2009, 6:29pm) QUOTE(everyking @ Wed 15th July 2009, 12:57pm) Although Rootology has retired, he gets to keep the honorary title of "founding member" of the Advisory Council. I seem to recall that his short-lived Advisory Council work mainly involved slagging off people like me, arguing that we were only opposed to the Council because we had been sanctioned in the past, and telling us that we were all doomed unless we accepted the ArbCom's edicts--so of course it's important to recognize his contributions to setting the tone and style of this new body's work! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) You just get more and more annoying. Go expand Ashlee Simpson. Take her back to FA... doesn't she deseve it? If you really loved her, you'd care enough to make it happen. Are you officially advising me in your capacity as a member of the Advisory Council? If so, do you mind if I reciprocate with some advice of my own? It will have to be unofficial advice, because I don't have a title, but I think it's pretty good advice anyway. I think you should go write some content--you pick the article. I looked through your last 100 contributions and only found one article edit, and that one was to nominate an article for deletion. Are you sure your advice is going to be well-grounded if you aren't out there actively editing articles? I don't want the ArbCom to be getting bad advice, you know! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) I actually noted that same thing last night myself. Although, last night I had two article edits in my last 100, and one was to nominate an article for deletion. Anyway, crybaby... No, this wasn't me "officially advising" you in my "capacity as a member of the Advisory Council". This was simply me, on WR, pointing out how annoying you are. I thought that was clear, but you guys opposing the think-tank have a bit of an issue with exaggerating and using hyperbole to get your points across. Understandable, considering you're opposing a think-tank and all. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)
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Seeing Rootology leave immediately brought to mind User:NoSeptember/Leaving and WP:DIVA. In this thread, EricBarbour says Rootology "never caused oceans of tedious and embarrassing dramah." He deleted the pages in his user space, wrote a user space essay and redirected his user page there, fully protected his talk page (with a dramatic protection summary), and placed {{ retired}} at the top. It was certainly dramatic by any reasonable person's standards and I was certainly embarrassed by his childish behavior. Was his retirement in itself an "ocean" of drama? No. For the full body of water, you would need to look at his contributions over the past few months, especially in the project namespace. One might argue that it's acceptable to behave like this if it's a true retirement, but does anyone honestly believe that it is?
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QUOTE(LaraLove @ Wed 15th July 2009, 8:28pm) QUOTE(everyking @ Wed 15th July 2009, 1:48pm) QUOTE(LaraLove @ Wed 15th July 2009, 6:29pm) QUOTE(everyking @ Wed 15th July 2009, 12:57pm) Although Rootology has retired, he gets to keep the honorary title of "founding member" of the Advisory Council. I seem to recall that his short-lived Advisory Council work mainly involved slagging off people like me, arguing that we were only opposed to the Council because we had been sanctioned in the past, and telling us that we were all doomed unless we accepted the ArbCom's edicts--so of course it's important to recognize his contributions to setting the tone and style of this new body's work! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) You just get more and more annoying. Go expand Ashlee Simpson. Take her back to FA... doesn't she deseve it? If you really loved her, you'd care enough to make it happen. Are you officially advising me in your capacity as a member of the Advisory Council? If so, do you mind if I reciprocate with some advice of my own? It will have to be unofficial advice, because I don't have a title, but I think it's pretty good advice anyway. I think you should go write some content--you pick the article. I looked through your last 100 contributions and only found one article edit, and that one was to nominate an article for deletion. Are you sure your advice is going to be well-grounded if you aren't out there actively editing articles? I don't want the ArbCom to be getting bad advice, you know! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) I actually noted that same thing last night myself. Although, last night I had two article edits in my last 100, and one was to nominate an article for deletion. Anyway, crybaby... No, this wasn't me "officially advising" you in my "capacity as a member of the Advisory Council". This was simply me, on WR, pointing out how annoying you are. I thought that was clear, but you guys opposing the think-tank have a bit of an issue with exaggerating and using hyperbole to get your points across. Understandable, considering you're opposing a think-tank and all. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) I was referencing your title and official duties for the purposes of sarcasm, not because I actually believed you might be advising in me in your official capacity.
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QUOTE(One @ Wed 15th July 2009, 3:33pm) MZMcBride and Everyking criticize Rootology for being "dramatic." Interesting.
He's got a great essay there. I'll miss him.
Says the person who (dramatically) plots takeovers and revolutions on this site. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) You can't miss a person who hasn't left. Perhaps Rootology is really leaving for good, but we can't possibly know that for sure. The fact that he has already resumed editing seems like a pretty strong indication, though. P. S. I hadn't noticed the blanking and protection of his Editor review and his Request for adminship. I think this exit is the new standard-bearer for dramatic goodbyes. Good grief.
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QUOTE(One @ Wed 15th July 2009, 4:17pm) Oh yeah, I've been meaning to ask, what is your beef with him? Can someone else explain it to me?
Someone has to have a beef with another in order to be bemused or annoyed by the dramatic and unnecessary way they choose to attempt to depart the project? I don't think so. I'm all about going out in protest and drawing some attention to your cause, don't get me wrong. BTDT, but it's sort of silly to do these sorts of things so often. Being dramatic is best when infrequent, otherwise, you're not really "being dramatic" after a while... rather, you're just being you. Of course, by "you", I don't necessarily mean you.
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QUOTE(LaraLove @ Wed 15th July 2009, 8:24pm) QUOTE(One @ Wed 15th July 2009, 4:17pm) Oh yeah, I've been meaning to ask, what is your beef with him? Can someone else explain it to me?
Someone has to have a beef with another in order to be bemused or annoyed by the dramatic and unnecessary way they choose to attempt to depart the project? I don't think so. I'm all about going out in protest and drawing some attention to your cause, don't get me wrong. BTDT, but it's sort of silly to do these sorts of things so often. Being dramatic is best when infrequent, otherwise, you're not really "being dramatic" after a while... rather, you're just being you. Of course, by "you", I don't necessarily mean you. I agree with that last point. Should be a limit on "retiring." Just wondering because MZM was also all over Rootology's noindexing thing, and (along with Xeno), was agitated about him being among the dozens of admins with semi-protected pages.. Seemed like there was some history, but I may be wrong. This post has been edited by One:
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QUOTE I agree with that last point. Should be a limit on "retiring."
This isn't the first time Rootology has done something dramatic, has he? He's going to be back eventually, whether it's a day, a week, or a month or two.
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QUOTE(One @ Wed 15th July 2009, 4:26pm) QUOTE(LaraLove @ Wed 15th July 2009, 8:24pm) QUOTE(One @ Wed 15th July 2009, 4:17pm) Oh yeah, I've been meaning to ask, what is your beef with him? Can someone else explain it to me?
Someone has to have a beef with another in order to be bemused or annoyed by the dramatic and unnecessary way they choose to attempt to depart the project? I don't think so. I'm all about going out in protest and drawing some attention to your cause, don't get me wrong. BTDT, but it's sort of silly to do these sorts of things so often. Being dramatic is best when infrequent, otherwise, you're not really "being dramatic" after a while... rather, you're just being you. Of course, by "you", I don't necessarily mean you. I agree with that last point. Should be a limit on "retiring." Just wondering because MZM was also all over Rootology's noindexing thing, and (along with Xeno), was agitated about him being among the dozens of admins with semi-protected pages... Seemed like there was some history, but I may be wrong. I'll try to refrain from answering the question you asked that I not answer. But in response to the semi-protection "incident" in particular, I think it's important to point out that one of Rootology's arguments for semi-protecting his own talk page was that he was "just about to go on a long break" (paraphrased). This was in late June. I think that's a pretty good example of why my frustration with Rootology has been growing. Read into that whatever you will.
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QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Wed 15th July 2009, 8:35pm) QUOTE(One @ Wed 15th July 2009, 4:26pm) QUOTE(LaraLove @ Wed 15th July 2009, 8:24pm) QUOTE(One @ Wed 15th July 2009, 4:17pm) Oh yeah, I've been meaning to ask, what is your beef with him? Can someone else explain it to me?
Someone has to have a beef with another in order to be bemused or annoyed by the dramatic and unnecessary way they choose to attempt to depart the project? I don't think so. I'm all about going out in protest and drawing some attention to your cause, don't get me wrong. BTDT, but it's sort of silly to do these sorts of things so often. Being dramatic is best when infrequent, otherwise, you're not really "being dramatic" after a while... rather, you're just being you. Of course, by "you", I don't necessarily mean you. I agree with that last point. Should be a limit on "retiring." Just wondering because MZM was also all over Rootology's noindexing thing, and (along with Xeno), was agitated about him being among the dozens of admins with semi-protected pages.... Seemed like there was some history, but I may be wrong. I'll try to refrain from answering the question you asked that I not answer. But in response to the semi-protection "incident" in particular, I think it's important to point out that one of Rootology's arguments for semi-protecting his own talk page was that he was "just about to go on a long break" (paraphrased). This was in late June. I think that's a pretty good example of why my frustration with Rootology has been growing. Read into that whatever you will. Well seeing how he's now fully "retired", wasn't announcing a long break just pussyfooting? Oh, and he edited as if nothing happened after his first announcement.
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QUOTE(One @ Wed 15th July 2009, 4:26pm) Just wondering because MZM ... (along with Xeno), was agitated about him being among the dozens of admins with semi-protected pages.... Seemed like there was some history, but I may be wrong. It's pretty simple (and has nothing specifically to do with rootology) - I just think admins (and editors in general) should be accountable to users, including IPs and new users. Semi-protection (and, by extension, full-protection) of an administrators' user talk page without justification and a history of severe abuse (as exists in at least some of the "dozens of admins" you mention) is thus inappropriate and runs counter to the protection policy. ...and I am still astonished that a sitting arbitrator thinks it's completely fine because it's " His damn user talk page". (Which, of course, it isn't. It belongs to the community.) This post has been edited by Apathetic:
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QUOTE(One @ Wed 15th July 2009, 4:26pm) I agree with that last point. Should be a limit on "retiring." Just wondering because MZM was also all over Rootology's noindexing thing, and (along with Xeno), was agitated about him being among the dozens of admins with semi-protected pages.... Seemed like there was some history, but I may be wrong. MZ takes a strict stance on protection in all cases. QUOTE(Apathetic @ Wed 15th July 2009, 4:43pm) It's pretty simple (and has nothing specifically to do with rootology) - I just think admins (and editors in general) should be accountable to users, including IPs and new users. Semi-protection (and, by extension, full-protection) of an administrators' user talk page without justification and a history of severe abuse (as exists in at least some of the "dozens of admins" you mention) is thus inappropriate and runs counter to the protection policy. ...and I am still astonished that a sitting arbitrator thinks it's completely fine because it's " His damn user talk page". (Which, of course, it isn't. It belongs to the community.) That pretty well blew me away, too. I think Luke is the only arb you'll see making such comments on- or off- wiki. At least, he's the only one I've seen do so. And I hate that "your talk page belongs to the community" line. Right, whatever. I get that a lot, too. Let the civility police try to enforce something on my talk page.
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QUOTE(Apathetic @ Wed 15th July 2009, 8:43pm) It's pretty simple (and has nothing specifically to do with rootology) - I just think admins (and editors in general) should be accountable to users, including IPs and new users. Semi-protection (and, by extension, full-protection) of an administrators' user talk page without justification and a history of severe abuse (as exists in at least some of the "dozens of admins" you mention) is thus inappropriate and runs counter to the protection policy. ...and I am still astonished that a sitting arbitrator thinks it's completely fine because it's " His damn user talk page". (Which, of course, it isn't. It belongs to the community.) I didn't realize you were Xeno. Out of curiosity, how many other admins with semi-protected pages have either of you harassed since then? At any rate, Rootology has just informed me that he really has retired--saying farewell on the ACPD pages hardly counts as resumed editing. I find his announcement more credible than, say, Giano, who has a track record. Rootology quit this place cold turkey, after all. I hope it's just a long absence, but right now he seems to mean it.
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QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Wed 15th July 2009, 8:30pm) Seeing Rootology leave immediately brought to mind User:NoSeptember/Leaving and WP:DIVA. Funny how several on that list have retired. For real. And yeah, he blanked his editor review and RFA and fully protected them. The only thing that achieves is DRAMA. No one even cared about either of those pages until he suddenly did that. Pointless.
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