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_ JzG _ JzG has four choices
Posted by: thekohser
This may be the http://www.wikback.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1552#Post1552 so far, if I may say so myself:
"The company's operates mines in..."
You probably have a few choices for your response:
(1) "Mr. Kohs, I will not dignify your accusations with an answer. I will rely on the rest of the WikBack community to ignore any further discussion of this matter."
(2) "This was obviously a simple typing mistake. I do have scar tissue on my left hand, you know. I'm still confused how my left hand got over to the apostrophe key on the keyboard, but that's my explanation."
(3) "I may have not fully WP:FORGETted Mr. Kohs' original article, and somehow the memory of the phrase 'The company's' was still sticking in my head. It was not plagiarism, so much as the powerful impression Mr. Kohs' writing left on me."
(4) "Okay, so I started my editing with Kohs' version, and I started re-arranging words to make it look like my own original thought and research. I know I did this in only 26 minutes, all while participating in the DRV discussion, too. Yes, I know that 15 months later, I went back into the article's history and tried to erase from memory the original source and labor for this article. And, yes, I then lied repeatedly about the situation here on the WikBack. I'm sorry for what I've done. I know it's no excuse, but Mr. Kohs has a certain talent for making me do very irrational things, since he pushes all the right buttons, as far as I'm concerned. Please accept my apology."
I think that's about it. Four possible responses. I've even done you the favor of numbering them. So, you could just reply with "Number 2 most closely captures my position," and then you'd be done with it. I'm helpful that way.
We're all waiting, JzG.
He's trapped like a wounded animal, folks. That's when they're most dangerous, so look out!
Greg
Posted by: Miltopia
My opinion of Guy would improve if he went with 4.
Posted by: Moulton
Can we have a betting pool for how long it takes for him to not respond?
Posted by: thekohser
Can we have a betting pool for how long it takes for him to not respond?
$5 on infinity.
Posted by: cyofee
He'll just go politician on us and say absolutely nothing in 500 words.
Except that Kohs is an evil banned user.
Posted by: Amarkov
You forgot option number 5:
"I am ab inito not a liar, and therefore I, prima facie, will nolo contendre your argumentum ad hominem. Sic sempre Kohs!"
Yay random Latin phases!
Posted by: guy
$5 on infinity.
You'll never live to collect it.
Posted by: cyofee
He will if JzG dies before him.
Posted by: Jonny Cache
Greg,
I don't understand who you're trying to convince.
If you're trying to convince Informed, Intelligent, Integrity-Possessing People — well, speaking as a member in wobblie standing of the Informed, Intelligent, Integritied Workers Of The World, I would say you're done.
If you're trying to convince Guy Chapman, or Wikipediots In General (WIGs), I would have to wonder why in the deil you're wasting your life on that.
Jonny 
Posted by: Moulton
It's a game, Jonny. It's all about getting someone to admit the error of their ways, the hypocrisy of their priesthood. It's like betting on the long-shot. Most of the time, you lose your wager. But when you win, it's bigtime.
Posted by: GlassBeadGame
He will if JzG dies before him.
JzG is famous for dying and coming back, like a bad zombie character.
Posted by: Emperor
Greg,
I don't understand who you're trying to convince.
If you're trying to convince Informed, Intelligent, Integrity-Possessing People — well, speaking as a member in wobblie standing of the Informed, Intelligent, Integritied Workers Of The World, I would say you're done.
If you're trying to convince Guy Chapman, or Wikipediots In General (WIGs), I would have to wonder why in the deil you're wasting your life on that.
Jonny
Amen. A little angry buzzing on an obscure Wikipedia-approved back channel is not going to bother Guy Chapman or any of the WIGs. I think that they're actually flattered by the attention, that anyone would think this is a game worth winning.
JzG, Jimbo, the Foundation, and WIGs plagiarize, we know they plagiarize, they know we know they plagiarize, and they dare the world to do something about it. Every day JzG remains an administrator is proof.
Posted by: Moulton
It's just another item of evidence that Wikipedia is not a scholastic enterprise. Plagiarism is not an acceptable substitute for original research in academia.
Posted by: Jonny Cache
Amen. A little angry buzzing on an obscure Wikipedia-approved back channel is not going to bother Guy Chapman or any of the WIGs. I think that they're actually flattered by the attention, that anyone would think this is a game worth winning.
JzG, Jimbo, the Foundation, and WIGs plagiarize, we know they plagiarize, they know we know they plagiarize, and they dare the world to do something about it. Every day JzG remains an administrator is proof.
Today they may be flattered by the attention.
One day they will be flattened by the attention.
So our job is purely editorial : Sub["n"/"r"].
Jonny
Posted by: Moulton
For those who appreciate great stories about plagiarism, http://www.newsweek.com/id/94543 that made it into Newsweek.
Posted by: JukoFF
JzG, Jimbo, the Foundation, and WIGs plagiarize, we know they plagiarize, they know we know they plagiarize, and they dare the world to do something about it. Every day JzG remains an administrator is proof.
Jimbo and the Foundation - do you mean by proxy of the other plagiarisers on WP, or did I miss some really really damning episode?
Posted by: Moulton
Mimetic misadventures. No foolish mistake is too insignificant to reprise multiple times. Eventually, all the reruns begin to look alike.
Posted by: Nya
It's just another item of evidence that Wikipedia is not a scholastic enterprise. Plagiarism is not an acceptable substitute for original research in academia.
Original research? Plagiarism isn't an acceptable substitute for anything in academia, whether that is one's doctoral dissertation or a daily reflection in a journal. I believe the standard policy at most colleges remains failure of the class for the first offense and expulsion for the second offense.
Posted by: Moulton
It is tempting to hypothesize that the cavalier plagiarists on Wikipedia do not possess college diplomas.
Posted by: thekohser
I appreciate all of the discussion about plagiarism here; but I just want everyone to remember what JzG did with the Arch Coal article was a special breed of plagiarism.
While he didn't copy 100% of someone else's work and call it his own, he did use someone else's work to rearrange words and introduce concepts in different places on the page -- which is pretty much what a wiki is all about.
What is so utterly reprehensible about JzG's plagiarism is that FIFTEEN MONTHS after the fact, he actually went into the article and -- with tools not available to 99% of visitors to that page -- DELETED FROM PUBLIC RECORD the history of that article's authorship. In so doing, he claimed ORIGINATION all to himself. AND, he then lied and lied and lied in another public forum (using phrases like ab initio and such) that he did NOT plagiarize one iota of the deleted author's work.
It's one thing to copy some stuff.
It's another thing to burn the book you copied it from and lie to the world that no such book ever existed and that you are the sole creator of the ideas that book espoused.
It is disgusting.
And that is why Guy Chapman is a joke.
Greg
Posted by: Nya
While he didn't copy 100% of someone else's work and call it his own, he did use someone else's work to rearrange words and introduce concepts in different places on the page -- which is pretty much what a wiki is all about.
Using someone else's work and rearranging the words does meet the standard definition of plagiarism. Even ideas are supposed to be cited, if they are the original work of another author/researcher/etc.
It's another thing to burn the book you copied it from and lie to the world that no such book ever existed and that you are the sole creator of the ideas that book espoused.
It is disgusting.
And that is why Guy Chapman is a joke.
Greg
Point taken. Perhaps JzG will one day have a lucrative career with the Ministry of Truth, burning old newspapers that are now "misprinted".
Posted by: thekohser
Seems that the WikBack management have deleted old threads in the "Cage Match" forum, so that the world can no longer see how Durova and JzG got caught publicly in their web of falsehoods. Interesting management decision, wouldn't you say?
Posted by: WhispersOfWisdom
How can anyone enjoy doing what people do at Wikipedia?
Is it some sort of frantic obsession with the belief that there is some mission involved that will permanently alter the human state of life on earth?
I say slow down and just look around for a while...maybe get to know your children...just a little. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/JzG
If every couple of minutes I was somewhere else, I would not end up anywhere.
Be careful...you may just end up where you are headed. 
Guy, what kind of life is this?
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hours and hours and hours....days upon days........OMG!
Posted by: Jon Awbrey
Guy, what kind of life is this?
Posted by: thekohser
hours and hours and hours....days upon days........OMG!
Lee, that's not even the half of it. Most of those edits are just manipulations of text on a web site. Most of them don't directly confront other human beings.
What's more fascinating to me is the http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&limit=500&type=block&user=JzG. It's like the carbon-copy ticket pad of a rural police officer with a radar gun.
Please, take a moment to admire some of the "reasons" that Guy Chapman gives for depriving others of the "privilege" of editing Wikipedia. They could be describing himself, to a tee!
# 08:18, 17 April 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "75.58.39.201 (Talk)" (anon. only, account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 1 week ‎ (Block evasion)
# 21:34, 16 April 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "75.57.196.81 (Talk)" (anon. only, account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 1 week ‎ (Disruptive and disputatious editor)
# 14:59, 16 April 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "Tony Sandel (Talk | contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 48 hours ‎ (Disruption:: Disruption, attacks, not responding to requests to tone it down.)
# 20:04, 14 April 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "Rafaelsfingers (Talk | contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Disruption: WP:SPA, near-certain sockpuppet.)
# 12:22, 14 April 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "70.105.57.250 (Talk)" (anon. only, account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 1 week ‎ (user seems to have lost it.)
# 11:36, 12 April 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "Piercetheorganist (Talk | contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tim_Duncan_%28singer%29&diff=prev&oldid=190470615)
# 23:34, 8 April 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "Snizzlemywizzle (Talk | contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Egregious violations of WP:BLP)
# 14:59, 8 April 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "Bioright (Talk | contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Taunting WP:BLP subject on Talk, near-certain sockpuppet (check edit history).)
# 16:01, 7 April 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "Bananajuicesmoothie (Talk | contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Abusing multiple accounts)
# 10:10, 6 April 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) unblocked Bstanfield (Talk | contribs) ‎ (False positive, apologies.)
# 08:09, 6 April 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "Bstanfield (Talk | contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Abusing multiple accounts: and BLP vilations at Graham Spanier)
# 18:08, 5 April 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "Fuzzyred (Talk | contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Disruption, WP:BLP violations)
# 20:13, 4 April 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "Archfailure (Talk | contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Attempting to harass other users: also disruption and possible username (Archtransit))
# 00:52, 4 April 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "Captain Nemo III (Talk | contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Disruptive single-purpose account. Contributions indicate agenda-driven editor (aka "SCOX troll"))
# 12:29, 2 April 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "Patrick Harrigan (Talk | contribs)" (account creation blocked, autoblock disabled) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Disruption: Disruptive single purpose account)
# 11:36, 2 April 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "Morgellonslink (Talk | contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 15 minutes ‎ (Adding WP:OR, not picking up messages on talk. Get user's attention)
# 13:47, 31 March 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "76.30.205.23 (Talk)" (anon. only, account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 1 month ‎ (Attempting to harass other users)
# 12:41, 31 March 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "Jlunke2 (Talk | contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 24 hours ‎ (Image abuse)
# 12:37, 31 March 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "Gooddays (Talk | contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 48 hours ‎ (Disruption.)
# 21:33, 30 March 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "Multimillionaire (Talk | contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Disruption: see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=202146123#Determined_trolling_of_Refdesks)
# 21:15, 30 March 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "71.100.1.236 (Talk)" (anon. only, account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 1 month ‎ (Stable IP used for racist advocacy)
# 18:53, 30 March 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) unblocked Hanvanloon (Talk | contribs) ‎ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=202111088#User:Hanvanloon
# 13:41, 30 March 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "202.172.48.2 (Talk)" (anon. only) with an expiry time of 1 month ‎ (Abusing multiple accounts: Block / ban evasion (Dereks1x))
# 22:14, 28 March 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "End the Madness (Talk | contribs)" (account creation blocked, autoblock disabled) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Disruption, apparent harassment, "ending the madness")
# 22:14, 28 March 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) unblocked End the Madness (Talk | contribs) ‎ (tweaking block)
# 22:12, 28 March 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "End the Madness (Talk | contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Attempting to harass other users: Ending the madness.)
# 18:27, 27 March 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "Shentek (Talk | contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Yet another disruptive single purpose account. Sock, much?)
# 13:50, 26 March 2008 JzG (Talk | contribs) blocked "78.0.80.64 (Talk)" (anon. only, account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 1 month ‎ (Disruption: Egregious trolling)
Posted by: thekohser
Seems that the WikBack management have deleted old threads in the "Cage Match" forum, so that the world can no longer see how Durova and JzG got caught publicly in their web of falsehoods. Interesting management decision, wouldn't you say?
Google cache to the http://www.wikipediareview.com/Special:Search?search=wikback.