SlimVirgin gets a vandal warning Options

[LamontStormstar]

SlimVirgin got a vandalism warning and I was wondering what she'd do. Supposedly you aren't allowed to remove these... EVER! You get reverted and blocked for doing so.

What would SV do? I wait and waited... then MONGO to the rescue

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=152616300

Reverts it with "don't template experienced editors"

[Jonny Cache]

SlimVirgin got a vandalism warning and I was wondering what she'd do. Supposedly you aren't allowed to remove these ... EVER! You get reverted and blocked for doing so.

What would SV do? I wait and waited... then MONGO to the rescue

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=152616300

Reverts it with "don't template experienced editors"

And how would you summarize the results of your investigation?

Pick one:

1. Oh wow, Wikipedia is not really the non-elitist community that I was told it was.
2. Further research is needed. Please renew my funding for the next fiscal year.

Inquiring minds want to know …

Jonny

This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Wed 22nd August 2007, 3:48am

[alienus]

Ok, I admit it: I can't keep track without a scorecard. Isn't SV on Team Israel while MONGO is on Team America, or am I just confused?

Al

[LamontStormstar]

I thought America and Israel as countries were allies? Maybe I'm wrong.

[blissyu2]

Ok, I admit it: I can't keep track without a scorecard. Isn't SV on Team Israel while MONGO is on Team America, or am I just confused?

Al

SlimVirgin has never said that she is Jewish, or indicated that she has a pro-Jewish bias. In my opinion and the opinion of many others, SlimVirgin has an antisemitic point of view, demonstrated by her many heavily pro-Moslem friends, and some of her attacks on Jewish editors. Her claims that for example Wikipedia Review is antisemitic seems to be a front for her point of view. There is nothing to suggest that she is Jewish or pro-Israel at all. She has a point of view, without question, but it seems to be more detailed than that.

MONGO is interested in stopping all conspiracy theories from existing, in a similar way to Morton Devonshire and friends. SlimVirgin also likes to get rid of all things that she labels as "Conspiracy theories". Of course, in doing so, SlimVirgin uses some theories which most of the world considers to be "conspiracy theories" and suggests that they are fact, for example her edits to Lockerbie bombing, where she pushed an extreme view as if it was fact.

Both of them have something in common - they like Wikipedia to be factually inaccurate, and to hide any evidence that they had done this. They are both very much on the same team.

[jdrand]

This is an example of bureaucracy on Wikipedia, and that the name "bureaucrat" really fits there. "Don't template experienced editors" is an example of indirectly "biting newbies".

[Jonny Cache]

This is an example of bureaucracy on Wikipedia, and that the name "bureaucrat" really fits there. "Don't template experienced editors" is an example of indirectly "biting newbies".

You may not have recognized it — on account of the fact that Wikipediots spew so much gas decrying the value of expertise — but it's actually an example of an argument from authority-expertise. The only twist is that seniority at being a Wikipediot counts for something, while experience with a discipline or subject matter counts for nothing.

Jonny

[alienus]

Oh, I have to agree with the part about how they both want to bias Wikipedia, but Team America is conservative while SV is a fine example fo a flakey liberal. It doesn't look like they're on the same team. Then again, corrupt editors show a willingness to team up with other corrupt editors on an ad hoc basis to attack common enemies. A fine example is the recent alliance of Team America, Team Jesus and Team Rand to fuck over ThAtSo.

Al

[FNORD23]

Ok, I admit it: I can't keep track without a scorecard. Isn't SV on Team Israel while MONGO is on Team America, or am I just confused?

Al

SlimVirgin has never said that she is Jewish, or indicated that she has a pro-Jewish bias. In my opinion and the opinion of many others, SlimVirgin has an antisemitic point of view, demonstrated by her many heavily pro-Moslem friends, and some of her attacks on Jewish editors. Her claims that for example Wikipedia Review is antisemitic seems to be a front for her point of view. There is nothing to suggest that she is Jewish or pro-Israel at all. She has a point of view, without question, but it seems to be more detailed than that.

MONGO is interested in stopping all conspiracy theories from existing, in a similar way to Morton Devonshire and friends. SlimVirgin also likes to get rid of all things that she labels as "Conspiracy theories". Of course, in doing so, SlimVirgin uses some theories which most of the world considers to be "conspiracy theories" and suggests that they are fact, for example her edits to Lockerbie bombing, where she pushed an extreme view as if it was fact.

Both of them have something in common - they like Wikipedia to be factually inaccurate, and to hide any evidence that they had done this. They are both very much on the same team.

Didn't we already go over the Jewish / Israel / Zionist differences with you? ;-) She is not pro Islam. She's pro Israel / Pro Zionist / Pro Neocon. I have no idea of her stance on Jews or Jewishness or Matzoh or Knishes, or Kugel or Brisket, or even if she finds Jackie Mason funny since they're not interrelated. I have never seen any evidence that she's pro Muslim. She fought me tooth and nail taking an Anti Islam / Muslim position over the Islam / Muslim / Liberal bashing site zombietime.

Put DOWN the Foster's :-)

This post has been edited by FNORD23: Wed 22nd August 2007, 5:11am

[Herschelkrustofsky]

In my opinion and the opinion of many others, SlimVirgin has an antisemitic point of view, demonstrated by her many heavily pro-Moslem friends, and some of her attacks on Jewish editors.

Blissy, I have seen you articulate this theory before, but I have never seen any convincing evidence that it is true. On the other hand, I have taken note of the fact that your theory annoys SlimVirgin like few other things do.

Ok, I admit it: I can't keep track without a scorecard. Isn't SV on Team Israel while MONGO is on Team America, or am I just confused?

The "Team Israel" thing is a bit naive, while the "Team America" term is intended, I believe, ironically and facetiously. To be precise, both SV and MONGO are on Team Neocon, which is a threat to the well-being of Israel, America, and pretty much everyone else outside of the Cayman Islands, to which they are fanatically loyal.

[alienus]

The "Team Israel" thing is a bit naive, while the "Team America" term is intended, I believe, ironically and facetiously. To be precise, both SV and MONGO are on Team Neocon, which is a threat to the well-being of Israel, America, and pretty much everyone else outside of the Cayman Islands, to which they are fanatically loyal.

Ok, here's my scorecard:

Team America consists of super-patriotic conservatives who believe in America uber alles, which is quite compatible with being a neocon and being pro-Israel. People like UltraMarine and MONGO are members in good standing.

Team Israel isn't necessarily conservative, neo-con or patriotic towards America, but it's all for Israel and against any apparent criticism of Judaism. The head of this team is Jayjg, who WP:OWNs such articles as Circumcision. His team includes non-Jewish, single-issue allies, such as foreskin fetishist Jakew.

It looks like these two teams have enough common ground and shared enemies to ally as needed.

Al

[jdrand]

This is an example of bureaucracy on Wikipedia, and that the name "bureaucrat" really fits there. "Don't template experienced editors" is an example of indirectly "biting newbies".

You may not have recognized it — on account of the fact that Wikipediots spew so much gas decrying the value of expertise — but it's actually an example of an argument from authority-expertise. The only twist is that seniority at being a Wikipediot counts for something, while experience with a discipline or subject matter counts for nothing.

Jonny

Yes, I'm familiar with that. A teenager who knows nothing except Dungeons & Dragons is more highly regarded there than say, a sociologist. It is a sad truth, but it is the truth.

[guy]

some of her attacks on Jewish editors.

Nobody can deny her attacks on Vulturell, Smerus, Newport and other Jewish editors.

[Kato]

In my opinion and the opinion of many others, SlimVirgin has an antisemitic point of view, demonstrated by her many heavily pro-Moslem friends, and some of her attacks on Jewish editors.

Complete nonsense.

[blissyu2]

BrandonYusuf was one of the most pro-Islam users on Wikipedia, and a good wiki-friend of SlimVirgin. SlimVirgin's attitude in the List of Jews was very much antisemitic, and she supported Antidote, who was very antisemitic.

On the other hand she attacked Amalekite, who was posting to Stormfront, and was a neo nazi.

Then she suggested that people who she had attacked for being Jews were secretly antisemitic.

Perhaps there's a whole other world out there that I haven't seen, but in that microcosm she has behaved in an anti-semitic way.

Suggesting that she is in any way pro-Israel seems naive.

[Kato]

BrandonYusuf was one of the most pro-Islam users on Wikipedia, and a good wiki-friend of SlimVirgin.

BrandonYusuf is an intelligent editor with no visible anti-jewish sentiment whatsoever. Being a Muslim editor editing Islamic articles doesn't make one automatically anti-Semitic, nor necessarily a "pro-Islam" editor for that matter.

SlimVirgin's attitude in the List of Jews was very much antisemitic,

Was it heck. As discussed at length elsewhere, several editors, including SV and Jayjg were uncomfortable about WP compiling lists of Jews. SV making the point that "putting people in boxes" on the basis of religion - an ambiguous way to categorise people at the best of times - was a bit suspect. They've got a point if you ask me. It was motivated by fears that the lists themselves would be used as tools by right wing anti-Semitic groups. Though their methods of assertion were typically abhorrent.

and she supported Antidote, who was very antisemitic.

Antidote wasn't anti-Semitic. Where did you get that idea from? And SV barely supported him anyway.

Suggesting that she is in any way pro-Israel seems naive.

We're talking about the editor that owns New-Antisemitism. That fought rigorously to protect Israel in the Apartheid wars. That makes pro-Israel edits on just about every article she comes across. Whose closest ally is Jayjg.

Please give this line of reasoning up, Bliss. It looks no more accurate than Gracenote's rumour mongering about you.

[blissyu2]

SlimVirgin never said that she wanted the List of Jews *REMOVED* that's a lie. They wouldn't have fought for ages about who to include if she simply wanted it to be deleted, so don't talk out of your backside.

[Kato]

SlimVirgin never said that she wanted the List of Jews *REMOVED* that's a lie. They wouldn't have fought for ages about who to include if she simply wanted it to be deleted, so don't talk out of your backside.

Just give it up, lad. It doesn't fly.

It's probably pointless to say this, but I agree that these lists should be deleted. I find them deeply problematic, ranging from there being no agreed or consistent definition; to identifying people as Jews who may not see themselves as Jews and who no one else may see as a Jew either; and then there's the issue that for some of the names on these lists, the only online sources are Stormfront, Islamist sites and Wikipedia mirrors, which I think should make us question what we're doing. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] ^{<font color="Purple">[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</font>} 08:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[guy]

Antidote wasn't anti-Semitic. Where did you get that idea from? And SV barely supported him anyway.

Oh dear. Antidote's attitude to Jews was exposed at length in the RfC against him. He hates to accept that notable people could be Jews and goes to vast lengths to remove claims to Jewishness if he can possibly find grounds for doing so. Is it suggested that SV had nothing to do with the blocks on people who argued with him, such as Vulturell, Arniep and of course the Poetlister/Runcorn sagas? And let's keep the present tense, as he's still editing now Runcorn isn't there to stop him.

[Kato]

Antidote wasn't anti-Semitic. Where did you get that idea from? And SV barely supported him anyway.

Oh dear. Antidote's attitude to Jews was exposed at length in the RfC against him. He hates to accept that notable people could be Jews and goes to vast lengths to remove claims to Jewishness if he can possibly find grounds for doing so. Is it suggested that SV had nothing to do with the blocks on people who argued with him, such as Vulturell, Arniep and of course the Poetlister/Runcorn sagas? And let's keep the present tense, as he's still editing now Runcorn isn't there to stop him.

Guy, Antidote was an idiot on all articles, he wasn't anti-Semitic. Here's him getting aggressive about who is a Serb, and making a mess of List of female composers. People were accusing him of disruptive idiocy, not anti-Semitism on the rfc. Stalwart Jewish editor but general irritant IZAK makes the most sense on the rfc, and even he doesn't accuse Antidote of being an anti-Semite, which is a first. Meanwhile, SV was going around banning people because she hated those Jewish lists and wanted to control them, not because she was supporting Antidote.

I'm not particularly opposed to these articles, but I understand the various points of view. A lot of the hoo-har about them just looks cheap and nasty from multiple parties. And all these anti-Semitic claims levelled at people without substance just looks like poor form, whether it's Grace Note or anyone here dishing it out. In retrospect, Jmabel was about the only person who came out of it looking OK, as usual.