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Posted by: Bob Boy

JzG's beyond-bizarre behavior has continued despite his statement that he will (na-na-na-I-can't-hear-you-na-na-na) not look at his RfC even though arbitrators and long-respected admins and users are commenting there. For the love of Allah, Jesus Christ, YHWH, Buddha, orwhatever else is required, will someone please, please look at his recent activities and put in a request to de-sysop his stupid ass?

Posted by: Jon Awbrey

There's a reason, well, a cause or a motive why Wikipedia Manglement just can't do that.

Wikipedia is the very antithesis of an Error-Controlled System. It acts to maintain its delusion of infallibility at all costs, denying whatever errors it makes and banning or muffling whatever messengers it takes to preserve the infantile fantasy that it never makes any mistakes.

The day that they admit that adminning Guy Chapman was one of the biggest mistakes they ever made they will have to start thinking of all the good people that he ran off the project.

And they cannot afford to own up to that.

It might make them feel human.

Jon

Posted by: Amarkov

The Arbitration Committee is much too impotent to actually sanction an admin for continually being stupid. There has to be a big incident people can point to, and say "look, THIS is why he needs to be desysopped". Otherwise, we're just engaging in "statistical analysis of questionable veracity" regarding his edits.

Posted by: ThurstonHowell3rd

We are about to see if Arbcom is impotent (JzG request for arbitration):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#JzG

... and yes they are... the arbs want to combine it with Cal68's arbitration, a totally unrelated case.

Posted by: Derktar

Moderator's Note: The title was cut off during posting, I hope I clarified it correctly.

Posted by: Kato

Great comment from Squeakbox - the king of the typo. (bolding mine)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Statement_by_uninvolved_SqueakBox

Ah yes, wearing the http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=arse+Hatt is a great British tradition and one which JzG enjoys with gusto.

Posted by: KamrynMatika

God I really hate it when people put Guy's attitude down to Britishness. It's just giving the Brits a bad name "His British way of expression may be a bit much for some non-British people" as if non-non-British people would think his attitude is A-OK...

Posted by: Viridae

As LHVU put it in this edit summary: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration&curid=438960&diff=213337253&oldid=213335588

" cor blimey, guv'nor, and no mistake me old trollop, baint nowt t'talkin' the Queens Hinglish, doncha know?"

Posted by: Kato

Guy is a certain kind of Brit that you have to understand though, and despite my stinging criticism of some of his behavior, he is a very human figure whose motives are familiar and easy to discern. At least to me. I just think he's wrong a lot of the time.

I set him apart from those Midwich Cuckoo kids and crazed American libertarians on wikipedia who scare the crap out of me.

When JzG goes nuts I can hear his voice as human. When those weirdos go off the rails I hear either HAL, or the voice of some shrill South Park caricature.


Where LHVU lives, he probably sounds like Long John Silver. So less of the ribbin', my loverrrr and pour me anotherrrr Spingo, me hearties.

Posted by: wikiwhistle

Brits are (or were) famous for good, not bad manners.

Posted by: guy

It's playing cricket. Alas, cricket isn't what it was.

Posted by: dtobias

Hey, I resemble that remark.

Posted by: wikiwhistle

Lol, you're particularly good at your puns etc. recently.

Posted by: Lar

That's an oldie but a goodie, on this side of the pond anyway.

why does "crazed American libertarians on wikipedia" sound kinda like "white punks on dope" in how it resonates???

Posted by: wikiwhistle

or "sheep on drugs" ???

Posted by: Giggy

I always wonder how much I could get away with simply by saying "I'm Australian, mate"...

Posted by: Milton Roe

Lulz. I gather that a lot of non-Brits have been butt hat by the Guy, then.

Stop, before ED creeps into my personality further.

Posted by: Viridae

I have pointed out my hard swearing, insult flinging australian heritage several times in response to those who have used Guy's british status as an excuse. I might have a filthier mouth than most peole around but that doesnt mean it needs to be displayed in a forum where it is likely to be misconstrued. The instant I start calling male editors a cunt in a jocular manner that can't be discerned ver the internet is the instant I get blocked for NPA. (apologies to the americans who don't use the C word quite like we do)

Posted by: Viridae

Haha - JzG is apparently going on holiday again http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#In_case_you_hadn.27t_noticed... just like he did just before the RfC was posted - not that you would have noticed any slowdown in his editing of course.

Posted by: Milton Roe

If you were French or even a Francophone like (say) Wjscriber, we could forgive you for that. But I fail to see what this does for Brits accused of being foul-mouthed.

I'm sure some of this is a class-thing (Maybe he's from the wrong part of Manchester?), but just about anybody with frontal lobes and age over 18 has learned to moderate speech in some way in polite society or discourse.

Has the Chunnel really resulted in more cunt-using Brits?

Posted by: dogbiscuit

It is really depressing to even have to argue this. Using extremely bad language like this in public is something that is simply jolly well not done in Britain. As I am sure I have said before, what is appropriate on the shop floor, or down the pub between friends is not generally accepted - and in fact, if groups talked loudly using bad language in many civilised pubs they would be told to keep it down, or get on their bikes.

The level I would put Wikipedia at is that of a public meeting place where you know that you will be overheard. Any reasonable Brit would know to avoid bad language in such a context. Indeed, plenty of people would be happy to point out politely that bad language is not appropriate. The BBC 606 boards do not tolerate any bad language at all.

It is not that we don't hear it, it is not that we don't use it, it is that we think it doesn't reflect well on us. Call me old fashioned, but I do find it nicer to get through the day avoiding the issue of whether the someone who called me a wanker was really my mate or not. Actually, being called a fool is usually much more hurtful, as there is no getting around the intent.

So this stuff about it being OK to go around Britain being foul mouthed is just more Guy lack of self-awareness. Guy is just taking people for a ride because he knows that the majority of Americans haven't a clue: America is the country where Phil Collins said wanker in Miami Vice shown on prime time networked TV because nobody knew what it meant.

Tell you what, next time you are checking in at a BA desk and you have a problem, see what happens if you say "Just fucking sort it out." I've seen it happen, and they are quite happy to refund your ticket there and then. Similarly, if a member of staff lost their cool, they would at least be on a written warning for that language.

Does Wikipedia want to aim for high standards, or stick with the lowest common denominator? It's not going to offend me greatly if there is bad language, but it would be better if there wasn'ta nd I don't see any reason for it to be tolerated - and even less so from administrators who represent the public image of Wikipedia.

Posted by: wikiwhistle

It reminds me of the Zimbardo Cookie Experiment- if people have power and are sharing a plate of "cookies" with others lower in the pecking order, they will be more likely to take the last cookie, and they will eat more messily. (this used to be somewhere on wiki- not the user of the same name, the actual info, but I can't see it anywhere now. So I don't know if it's a myth.)

Posted by: Herschelkrustofsky

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RfAR#JzG with ample suggestions by JzG that the whole thing is a conspiracy by the Wikipedia Review.

(Starts thread with title, "JzG Deathwatch)

Posted by: ColScott

This psychopath called up Daily Variety and tried to initiate an article about my war with WP. They laughed when I showed all the Marden and Pedophile links. But if I were on WP, would I want Guy Chapman speaking to the press?

Posted by: Moulton

We've used the somewhat corny term (no offense to any Iowans here) 'Deathwatch' on three threads, each time with a distinctly different connotation or tacit expectation or hoped-for outcome.

Perhaps we can adopt a more expressly hopeful term for each one. Something like this:

Cla68 Vindicationwatch

JzG Redemptionwatch

SV Enlightenmentwatch

Filll Epiphanywatch

FeloniousMonk Remorsewatch

Posted by: JohnA

Perhaps we should start another thread called "Cliché Watch"

Posted by: Moulton

Pretty soon we'll have so many sprawling watch threads, we'll have to keep an eye on them all with a special Kato-sponsored supervisory thread called Threadwatch.

Posted by: LessHorrid vanU

I believe User:DuncanHill commented likewise (and he probably sounds more like Long John Silver than me, having spent his formative years in the West Country - whereas I spent mine in the West London - Heathrow area...) in the RfAR.

Posted by: LessHorrid vanU

"WatchWatch", surely?

If it ever gets too big we could always start a sub-forum "What WatchWatch", and if it grows further the digest would of course be "Watch What WatchWatch". Good plan, what?

Posted by: JohnA

I swear for emphasis (usually comic) and when I'm very tired, because it compresses emotion into short, staccato soundbites.

Now please fuck off.

Posted by: Moulton

Watch it, buddy. You're starting to annoy me.

And you know what happens when I get annoyed, don't you?

Posted by: guy

You make lots of posts?

Posted by: Moulton

And of course you know the role model for that practice, who perhaps considers me his rival or antagonist.

Posted by: Lar

I think you're ascribing a theory of mind there ... or maybe 2.

Posted by: Somey

Any good gag loses potency after the second or third use...

Besides, this thread should actually be merged with http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=17876&view=findpost&p=102761, as HK was three days late picking up on it. So perhaps it's a moot point?

Mainly, it just shows once again that descriptive thread titles are important to our so-called "mission."

Posted by: Herschelkrustofsky

I am receptive to criticism of all sorts, and upon reflection, I have modified the title of this thread accordingly.

(Modifies thread title to "JzG DICKwatch")

Posted by: The Joy

Darn! I was hoping all this DeathWatch stuff would push Somey to make a photoshop of a watch with a machine gun or sword fending off Arbitrators!

Posted by: dogbiscuit

I was simply hoping he was going to change his byline to "Damn the torpedoes!"

Posted by: Moulton

Couldn't you at least make it putzwatch, to confuse the Bible Belters?

Posted by: GlassBeadGame

I love the new subtitle. It is so much kinder than the old one. One the other hand I don't ever want to see a DS DICKwatch. No not ever.

Posted by: wikiwhistle

You'd prefer to watch JzG's ?

Posted by: GlassBeadGame

I think he would be more likely to keep it in his pants. The worst I'd expect is lots of images of women with large breasts.

Posted by: wikiwhistle

No offence to JzG- this is just as a comment on the activity, o.k?- but regular cycling can have certain negative effects on a man. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2991088.stm

Posted by: Disillusioned Lackey

I agree. D-watch makes us sound like sickos. Popcorn-watch is more appropriate.

Posted by: Lar

I don't support the name of this thread remaining as is. It's needlessly insulting to name the thread itself this way, in my view.

Posted by: Moulton

Actually, it insults me more than it insults anyone on WP. For one thing, it's juvenile and lame. I'd be embarrassed to use such puerile epithets. If you're gonna insult someone, at least have the class to steal something indecent from Shakespeare...

Face it, JzG leads the Wikipack when it comes to unredeemed demagogues, mendacious manipulators, swaggering soldiers of fortune, nefarious eaters of broken organ meats retained by rival cabals, and creators of vexagonistic lunatic scapegoat psychodrama. His insidious evil soul represents an intolerable wave of acedia, spiritual decay and horror the likes of which Hell has never seen before.

Does that work for you?

Posted by: Lar

Bit long for a thread title.

Posted by: wikiwhistle

ROFL! (this is humourous hyperbole, for anyone who thinks I am laughing at JzG. I'm not, I just found Moulton's rhetoric amusing as even JzG is obviously far worse than that ...)

the pure lovecraftian terror when I find myself glancing at myself in the mirror and see looking back at me one of those exotically crowned, unnaturally high-foreheaded race known as a Wikipedian, those eldritch horrors that every family unfortunate enough to be fated to conceive has seen fit to hide in the catacombs beneath their mansion, for seeing these creatures causes in those who must look upon them, every nerve to spasm into unnatural angles out of fear and shame at what they have spawned.

P.S. for the wikipedians- I'm joking

Posted by: Aloft

It's okay, it's British.

Posted by: Kato

How about "whining twat watch"? "fuck off watch"? Or "sweaty cunt watch"? If it's OK for JzG...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=144055446

Posted by: Lar

Hey! don't be hatin on those of us with receding hairlines, OK?

Posted by: Herschelkrustofsky

Actually, in the category of massive over-posting, you would seem to have no rival here.


Program notes: I started a thread called "JzG Deathwatch," and after editors pointed out that this had become a cliché, I renamed it "JzG DICKwatch," recalling that JzG took the honors in this year's http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=15604&view=findpost&p=76810 pageant.
Now, I will put the controversy at rest by following Somey's advice, and merging it.

Posted by: Moulton

I have been known to be more loquacious than is healthy for my dwindling karma rating.

Posted by: Milton Roe

God, yes. And regular cycling doesn't always cause a woman to be a basket of sunshine, either ...

Posted by: Herschelkrustofsky

Note that the JzG arbcom case has now been merged into the http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=18138&view=findpost&p=104500