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After a loooong, drawn out compromise session, Blueboar comes up with a new formula to blunt the "not truth" dumb line, so when the discussion dies down and someone moves to close the discussion a few days early, SV seizes the opportunity to turn the whole thing on its head and attempt to force the whole process to start over.
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Spare me such mumbo-jumbo. Both the wave and the particle theories are wrong. The prescription that accords with the data is that of the waveparticle. An appropriate encyclopedic approach would be to exclude the views of both the wave-ists and the particle-ists and not accommodate incorrectness.

Actually, the correct term is "wave–particle duality", (which is also linked to the Uncertainty Principle), As I said, it gets complicated; but the basic analogy holds true with regard to NPOV -- the operative words being "duality" and "uncertainty". Too many wikipedians are all too certain they are absolutely right and they will accommodate no alternative view; which would of necessity mean having to learn to live with uncertainty if content is to be truly encyclopedia. But I can see no useful purpose in being drawn into a tedious argument with contributor "iii" who's already started using derogatory words like "mumbo jumbo" to show how certain he/she is of his/her own position (which incidentally is not an entirely correct position, nor is it all-encompassing).
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Actually, the correct term is "wave–particle duality", (which is also linked to the Uncertainty Principle), As I said, it gets complicated; but the basic analogy holds true with regard to NPOV -- the operative words being "duality" and "uncertainty". Too many wikipedians are all too certain they are absolutely right and they will accommodate no alternative view; which would of necessity mean having to learn to live with uncertainty if content is to be truly encyclopedia. But I can see no useful purpose in being drawn into a tedious argument with contributor "iii" who's already started using derogatory words like "mumbo jumbo" to show how certain he/she is of his/her own position (which incidentally is not an entirely correct position, nor is it all-encompassing).


Mmhmm. I'd wager my hat that you can't provide to us a single solution to the Dirac or Schrödinger Equations. Yes, you are the expert in quantum mechanics, clearly. Great to know that you're one of the brilliant minds involved in writing the internet's most popular encyclopedia.
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QUOTE(communicat @ Sat 5th November 2011, 6:44pm) *

Actually, the correct term is "wave–particle duality", (which is also linked to the Uncertainty Principle), As I said, it gets complicated; but the basic analogy holds true with regard to NPOV -- the operative words being "duality" and "uncertainty". Too many wikipedians are all too certain they are absolutely right and they will accommodate no alternative view; which would of necessity mean having to learn to live with uncertainty if content is to be truly encyclopedia. But I can see no useful purpose in being drawn into a tedious argument with contributor "iii" who's already started using derogatory words like "mumbo jumbo" to show how certain he/she is of his/her own position (which incidentally is not an entirely correct position, nor is it all-encompassing).


Mmhmm. I'd wager my hat that you can't provide to us a single solution to the Dirac or Schrödinger Equations. Yes, you are the expert in quantum mechanics, clearly. Great to know that you're one of the brilliant minds involved in writing the internet's most popular encyclopedia.

No, I'm not an expert in quantum mechanics, but I do understand the basics; nor am I involved in writing WP. I'm simply proposing a useful analogy borrowed from physics, in the probably futile hope that someone in any position of authority at WP might be encouraged to start implementing the spirit and letter of existing NPOV rules. Perhaps that "someone" might even be you, in which case the very best of luck to you. You'll need it. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wave.gif)
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