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Posted by: Piperdown

In Jan 2006 Mantanmoreland began posting on the "OSTK" board on yahoo finance as "lamborghini751", later "frankiedarrow" - note that Frankie Darro's historical relationship with "Mantan Moreland" in movies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantan_Moreland

His 3rd post was to promote GW's blog, which had begun its "Smear Campaign" against Byrne and others who "oppose naked short selling".

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_(A_to_Z)/Stocks_O/threadview?bn=24012&tid=60844&mid=60931#4654591228946062834

It's also the same time that GW started on WP under his first account, TomStoner

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&target=Tomstoner

which was shown in this later edit by Mantanmoreland to be a so far unacknowledged on WP sock of TomStoner (only LastExit is acknowledged by WP to be an official MM sock!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Personal_attack_intervention_noticeboard&diff=next&oldid=43586904

He started out relatively nice. Blog promotion, which was mainly to promote his forthcoming book. GW's goal is to counter "NSS is bad" proponents (like the SEC Chairman, LOL!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Naked_short_selling&diff=next&oldid=116426524) and there was blog war before ASM, with GW vs "TheSanityCheck", run by a pseudonym "Bob O'Brien" who also tried to edit WP as "Boborbrien". His editing shows a high level of intelligence, writing talent, and subject matter knowledge, but he didn't even try to follow WP rules, so didn't last long and was easy pickings for GW to fend off.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bobobrien

GW posted some really awful actual personal attacks against Patrick Byrne that were chock full of moral depravity. Demonstratable, as opposed to just the allegations of doing so kind:

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_(A_to_Z)/Stocks_O/threadview?bn=24012&tid=88519&mid=88608#6940963549178705464
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Yahoo! ID:
frankiedarrow 20-Apr-06
...incomprehensible Baloneyism first mouthed by the Baloney Sultan, Patrick "Trust Fund Bozo" Byrne. It is believed that the phallic-sounding nature of this baloneyism is related to the fact that Byrne only has one ball.
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This garbage about MM/Sami/et al being defenders against an O'stock backed "corporate smear campaign" against SV and GW is complete and utter diversionary nonsense. GW started both the blog war and the WP war.

Posted by: Kato

Whilst I understand what is going on in your post Piper, or at least I think I do, we're getting to stage where drive-by readers will need a full glossary of terms to understand the context of these Gary Weiss/Bagley posts. Could you perhaps provide some sort clarification, with links, to those out there who haven't a clue about GW, Byrne, MM/Sami/et al, SEC Chairman, SV and so on. Or instead perhaps add these new discoveries to threads which already contain expansions of the facts.

Posted by: Piperdown

The GW and Julian Robertson war spills over to Wikipedia.

This confirmed Sock of Mantanmoreland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lastexit

dabbles in the Julian Robertson BLP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Julian_Robertson&diff=53052185&oldid=47801946

Bawdy warns GW for voting twice via sockpuppet in Julian Robertson related AfD:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mantanmoreland/Archive3&diff=66229972&oldid=66185496
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Josie_Robertson

The WP:COI?

GW was sued by Julian Robertson: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gary_Weiss&diff=next&oldid=83314474

Payback might be hell, but getting it on WP is a vio of WP:COI.

Just ask Jayjg, who discovered that after he attempted to cover up some Slim Payback against Pierre Salinger.

Posted by: LamontStormstar

Oh my god, Gary Weiss's sock Mantanmoreland is in violation of username policy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantan_Moreland like if someone made the username of notable deceased people such as "Frank Sinatra" or "Johnny Cochrane". We need to get Mantanmoreland blocked for this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Bobobrien -- clean block log, unfortunately so we can't say Gary Weiss is a previously indef blocked user. Also unfortunate that all the block-crazy admins (e.g. Ryulong or Yamla) are in the service of Gary Weiss so they won't indef block User:Bobobrien.

Just to be clear, User:Bobobrien is Gary Weiss, right?

Posted by: jorge

What is Gary Weiss' obsession with black people anyway? We have both Mantan Moreland and Scipio Africanus? Is Mr Weiss a racist?

Posted by: LamontStormstar

What is Weiss's username that resembles "Scipio Africanus"?

Posted by: jorge

Scipio Africanus is one of http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2B%22gary+weiss%22+%2Bscipio&meta=....

Posted by: Cedric

Scipio Africanus was a Roman general. "Africanus" was not his real name, but an epithet applied to him after victories over the Carthaginian armies in the Second Punic War.

Posted by: Somey

The reason Weiss (or whoever this person is) calls himself "Scipio Africanus" is because one of Patrick Byrne's favorite usernames/aliases on the interwebs is "Hannibal." (We believe http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showuser=440 may be him.) The real Scipio defeated the real Hannibal at the Battle of Zama, ending the Second Punic War (or was it the Third?) and ultimately leading to the destruction of Carthage, as well as the burning of my uncle's Chevy Malibu Classic. (Don't even ask...)

Later, Hannibal reappeared in a Jodie_Foster movie as a violently psychopathic doctor who feeds on human flesh. Though confined to a maximum-security psychiatric facility, he managed to escape and find his way back to Italy, where he wreaked a terrible revenge on Giancarlo_Giannini, and later, Gary_Oldman and Ray_Liotta. We don't know whether or not Gary Weiss (or any of his sock puppets) tried to stop him at any point during this, but we suspect he didn't even lift a finger.

Posted by: jorge

OK, that makes more sense. There was actually another Scipio Africanus who was a black servant to the Earl of Suffolk whom I heard about on the radio a while back (http://www.oxforddnb.com/public/dnb/56658.html). There was a http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/3950313.stm.

Posted by: Piperdown

GW is not ScipioAfricanus, you guys really need to take a minute to peruse the ASM page, the Juddster gives a history lesson on the finer point differences between ScipioAfricanus and MantanBrooklynus, with his trademark proof for all to see. Something that wordbomb's "victims" decline to offer in response.

Remember

Baudy Moral Depravity = Objective Proof that makes Friends of Jimbo look badly

You have to read Wikipedia with a rosetta stone.

Posted by: WordBomb

Hey, that was very well-said. Thanks, Piperdown.

Posted by: Piperdown

What have we here?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_So-Called_Blogger

Posted by: Cedric

Judd Bagley, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:The_So-Called_Blogger.

Posted by: guy

Why is there no template on the user page? Why hasn't Moe Epsilon wiped the talk page?

Posted by: Piperdown

hmmm...an anonymous WP username that has had a Real World Name placed in the edit summary blocking it.

I think that's against Wikipedia's own rules.

Quick, alert the Wikipedia Media.

Whoops, that is Gerard.

"It's good to be the Godking" - Jimbo "Mel Brooks" Wales
"Mongo just pawn in game of wikipedia" - Mongo "MONGO" Mongo
"Titties !!!" - Just the Head Dick Guy at Wikipedia

Posted by: WordBomb

It was me, indeed. That was the account I used to email the ArbCom (and its various hangers-on, like Gerard) the http://antisocialmedia.net/?page_id=116. They left that account alone until about 10 days later, when http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hu12&diff=prev&oldid=155840669 about her definition of spam.

Posted by: Piperdown

Patrick Byrne (a Wikipedia Reviewian) gives an interview here (mp3) with a very specific reference to "mantanmoreland"'s WP activity - it's almost at the end if you folks want to skip all the philosophizing, school vouchering, and nekkid shorting....

http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/kuer/news.mediaplayer?STATION_NAME=kuer&MEDIA_ID=653877&MEDIA_EXTENSION=mp3&MODULE=news

the edit he's talking about that mantanmoreland slipped up on is here:

http://antisocialmedia.net/?page_id=105

Posted by: Piperdown

Why I believe Gary started his Blogjihad and Wikijihad Against Patrick Byrne in January 2006.

Beyond the obvious "Looking Out For #1" motivation, that Gary had a new book coming out in early 2006, and his blog and WP activity starting in Jan 2006 was #1 done to promote his book, his #2 (and also directly supporting contentions in his book) motivation(s) IMHO were this:


A google search and email tips have revealed the following facts -

1 - Gary and a columnist named Herb Greenberg have a long association together, including a year-2000 co-presentation they made concerning reporting on the stock market. Greenberg was working for "TheStreet.com" at the time, a website owned by Jim Cramer, and a friendly venue for columnist/hedge fund manager David Rocker, for one.

2 - Patrick Byrne has sued David Rocker, during which Jim Cramer and Herb Greenberg were served subpoenas by the SEC. They were not happy about this.

3 - Court documents in Byrne's suit reveal that Greenberg's name has been implicated by witnesses. For what exactly I'm not sure, but it didn't look good. Byrne has publicly called him "crooked" and not been sued by Greenberg, so that tells me something.

4 - IMHO, Gary's unprovoked blog/WP jihad against Byrne (neither had encountered each other prior to that, that I can find proof of) was a favour, for revenge, for his good friends/colleagues Greenberg and to some extent Cramer. More the former I would guess. The latter has moved on with his celebrity.

Byrne and Co. know a lot more about these things obviously, but as an outside googlesleuth, this is what I've come to believe is "Why the hell would Gary be doing this?"

Whether it's more than just journalism, and there's stock scheming that he might be directly or indirectly involved with, that's beyond the catalyst of what I think would take to motivate a person to do all this, and could very well be going on too.

But then I'm naive and tend to look for the relative-best in people's motives, and what can be more easily shown and explained. I wouldn't be suprised if my theory is being way too generous. Read this thread from the start and see just how vile Gary was from the get-go in Jan 2006.

Posted by: Piperdown

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Business_%26_Finance/Investments/Stocks_(A_to_Z)/Stocks_O/threadview?bn=24012&tid=116840&mid=116840
http://search.messages.yahoo.com/search?.mbintl=finance&q=frankiedarrow&action=Search&r=Huiz75WdCYfD_KCA2Dc-&within=author&within=tm

Posted by: Piperdown

Next lets look at his more than 2000 posts on the Yahoo Finance OSTK board in 2006 as "lamborghini751". As on WP, pumping his book and, unlike on WP, totally slandering Patrick Byrne with much more quantity if not quality as his Frankiedarrow alias.

First, let's look at lamborghini's first post anywhere on Yahoo, a request for a job for his Indian "journalist" wife. Yes, this is GW.

Now lets look at what Gary as Lamborghini had to say about Patrick Byrne....if these words get erased from Yahoo, it would not be surprising....remember the dates here are early 2006, when he started his campaign on WP and on his blog against Byrne. And at that time, I dont think Byrne had any idea who Weiss was, lol



I wonder if GW was shorting OSTK in 2006. Emails on Deep Capture have he emailing his buddies about Joe Nocera hatchet jobs on Byrne before they appeared in the NYT (and before Gary edited Nocera's words, which Gary told him in an interview for the article, lol, into Wikipedia).

Here GW speculates on Byrne's bachelorhood. Not the last time either.




Oh yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Byrne's people include these along with those 1,800 Deep Captured emails that the feds are looking at and maybe some juries will see.



This one's great. Weiss was "interviewed" by Nocera for this story of his, and email Floyd Schneider about it before Nocera ran the story:


I think it's clear that Gary Weiss has repeatedly called Patrick Byrne crazy while bashing him 2000 times on the Yahoo OSTK alone. If I were Patrick Byrne I'd do something about that. Maybe he is. Note that "mediacrity" is another gary blog, lol.

Posted by: Piperdown

Here Gary accuses Patrick of stock fraud.

And now back on the crazy horse:


Shorting and Distorting (CEO is Crazy!) can be very profitable.






You'd better hope Byrne doesn't consider you worth the bother, and that you weren't shorting OSTK, or its time to lawyer up, Mantanmoreland. Rumour has it you had quite a home stock trading habit.

Posted by: Piperdown

A prediction.

Certain Wikipedians who are still incredibly still in "good standing", and with very personal grudges, are going to help some recently banned friend get Patrick Byrne banned from Wikipedia. And gush all over the blogs, and feed quotes to Reliable Source buddies....again.

So, Patrick, keep that in mind when you edit talk pages on WP. They're going to come after you for the publicity.

When that happens, be sure to note what Gary has done, first, in mutliple venues.

If I'm a thoughtful Wikipedian, I think twice before going down the Gary Road again in trying to get Byrne banned to carry on the "Crazy CEO" campaign. Odd, they're not trying to make SEC Chairmen current and past out to be crazy now, and they're singing the same lines as Byrne has for years.

It can get uglier for WP in the media. There is a lengthy 2 year jihad against Byrne documented off and on WP by some very neutral Wikipedians already. And I would think they'd step up to some Reliable Sources too with the other side of the story.

Byrne's keeping his thoughts to the talk page, and trying to provide a counter point (and he definitely should not be editing the article, but definitely should be allowed to comment, with WP:RS backing, on the talk pages....as I've mentioned before, all contentious articles, especially BLP's, should have structured sub-pages where the priniciples should be allowed to voice themselves in first-person about what WP articles say about them....and not just on WP talk pages where they will be archived away and forgotten about...they should have hot-linked subpages that are clearly accessible from article main pages and talk pages.)

Let Byrne have his say with links on the talk pages. Heck, even let Gary have his talk page say if he wants. Let Don Murphy have his talkpage voice on his BLP. And every other BLP subject.