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Angela Kennedy
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Hello everyone,

With regard to JzG:

I advocate for my daughter, first diagnosed with Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, later Lyme disease, who is severely disabled by her illness. I also undertake academic criticism, of the claims made by some psychiatrists about these illnesses being ’psychosomatic’ and advocate for the ME/CFS community itself. Therefore, I do have a real world reputation that might be brought into disrepute by libellous, defamatory comments.

JZG made a number of defamatory (and libellous) claims about me (and implied others) on the admin notice board in September 2007 and elsewhere in time and place on Wikipedia, the circumstances of which are outlined here:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/APK-PAPERS/message/19

Large sections of the Simon Wessely talk page had already been removed by Jim Wales himself in 2006, after I and my erstwhile colleague formally wrote to him demanding he remove comments, made by JzG and another admin, JFW, which were highly inflammatory towards us. He removed some of them (though I kept copies of what was said), but the two admins continued making similar comments over the course of about a year and a half on the talk page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=165865721

As is probably evident from these links, my problems with the conduct of JzG, and indeed Jimbo Wales, are these:

1. JzG's misrepresentation of me and my work in the open discussions to other admins, in particular defamatory and libellous claims he has made about me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...of_userspace.3F

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...scalate_this.3F

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...0#Simon_Wessely

Of particular worry are the claims that I ‘have a visceral hatred for Simon Wessely’, the misrepresentation of the work I am doing in the real world, the claim that “You need to draw a distinction between what Angela Kennedy says, and what might be regarded as truth by anybody with both feet on the ground”, and, most libellous of all, his claim that ‘these individuals’ [meaning me and unnamed others] have harassed Wessely in real life: all of which have potentially highly damaging effects on my real world reputation.

2. JzG's (uninformed) conclusions on his website, and on the talk pages, that CFS is psychosomatic, Wessely’s work is correct, and that objections to Wessely’s claims are extreme, ideological etc. therefore making him a biased party in a dispute which he escalated (see the end paragraph of this link for his position):

http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/Wesselygate

3. The placement of a "banned user" tag on my user page, which contravenes decency and privacy . The arbitrary wikipedia ‘justice’ is being used to tar people at the top of a google search. I was permanently banned by Wales himself.

4. Possible off-wiki engagement between JzG and the subject of the page, Simon Wessely, in such a way as to suggest a possible collusion, particularly around false claims that I have ‘personally harassed’ Simon Wessely (as per his comments here):

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...0#Simon_Wessely

(But also see here):

http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/w/index.ph...changes&days=14

I have written to Simon Wessely’s line managers about this issue. So far they have been most uncooperative. The correspondence can be seen here:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/APK-PAPERS/message/17

But the whole issue needs further investigation.


5. Off-wiki engagement with Jim Wales with prejudicial effects on me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...scalate_this.3F


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...of_userspace.3F


I appreciate this is a complex issue. I am willing to provide further evidence and answer questions on this issue where possible and appropriate.

Angela
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Now he called me somebody who acts like "an obsessive trolling idiot", and Cla68 "an evil underhand spiteful shit-stirring weasel", and told both of us to go away from his talk page.
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Good heavens, this deserves quoting in full:
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Now go away and never post here ever again under any circumstances, because while Dan and often behaves like an obsessive trolling idiot, I consider you an evil underhand spiteful shit-stirring weasel based on your steadfast refusal to assume anything other than outright malice form all involved in that list, your refusal to accept any interpreation other than your own ludicrous conspirtacy theory, and your going to the press with something you had been told many times was wrong, by people who had absolutely no reason to lie, and presenting your sick, twisted little fantasy as truth, thus prolonging the drama. An d worst of all, you have the effrontery to come here and accuse me of COI while demanding that I put back in the utter bullshit that you fed Metz, so that your lies are preserved forever in Wikipedia as a pretence of truth. No. No chance whatsoever.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=205888178


A very mild warning from Lar:
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Regarding [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JzG&diff=next&oldid=205867347 this], calling people "spiteful shit-stirring weasels" may not be the most effective approach, regardless of what you may think of them. It just plays into their hands, doesn't it? Hope that's helpful advice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=205908503


Guy may not need to be blocked - he didn't call anyone a "gnome-like stalker", after all…

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=205664462
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=205667029

…but he sure needs to be desysoped. Amazing that this is who Wikipedia puts forth to represent the project. If he thinks the Register is bad, wait until they're dealing with the New York Times quoting this "senior Wikipedia administrator."
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Angela Kennedy   Hi Kato I don't think there is any denying t...  
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UseOnceAndDestroy   Now [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?titl...  
tarantino   Now [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?titl...  
Messedrocker   Now [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit...  
Proabivouac   [quote name='tarantino' post='93152' date='Tue 15...  
Proabivouac   Now he called me somebody who acts like "an ...  
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