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Posted by: tarantino
This elaborate hoax was set up with several articles created by http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Womblethereof&diff=prev&oldid=336466839.
It was http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&oldid=340700794#Andrew_de_Rothschild yesterday and all the articles have been deleted.
His http://twitter.com/stefandero and the folks at the Huffington Post (where he http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-de-rothschild/since-when-was-there-a-mi_b_427415.html that received 130 comments) have yet to catch on though.
Mirrors of the deleted Wikipedia articles
http://www.wikiwak.com/wak/Stefan_de_Rothschild
http://www.wikiwak.com/wak/Andrew_de_Rothschild
http://www.wikiwak.com/wak/Nathaniel_Mayer_de_Rothschild
http://www.wikiwak.com/wak/James_Mayer_de_Rothschild_II
http://www.wikiwak.com/wak/Rothschild_Estates
His current websites that are being used to perpetrate the hoax
http://www.stefanderothschild.com/
http://www.rothschildarts.org/
http://www.rothschild-estates.com/
http://www.rothschildglobalfoundation.org/
Posted by: Jon Awbrey
http://www.ted.com/profiles/view/id/416242
Jon 
Posted by: One
How whimsical; in January 2010, the scion of a heretofore unknown line of Rothchilds emerged and started blogging at Huffington Post.
Posted by: tarantino
QUOTE(One @ Fri 29th January 2010, 8:00pm) 
How whimsical; in January 2010, the scion of a heretofore unknown line of Rothchilds emerged and started blogging at Huffington Post.
He's also blogged there as http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-roberts and was once known as http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Stefan-Roberts. I tried to point this out as a comment there, but I fear it will forever be "awaiting moderation". Maybe valleywag would enjoy getting a dig in at Huff.
See also
http://poppycockandbalderdash.tumblr.com/
http://www.stefanroberts.com/
etc
Posted by: A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(tarantino @ Fri 29th January 2010, 5:41pm)
He's also blogged there as http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-roberts and was once known as http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Stefan-Roberts.
He's on "Jersey Shore"?
Posted by: the fieryangel
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Sat 30th January 2010, 12:14am)
QUOTE(tarantino @ Fri 29th January 2010, 5:41pm)
He's also blogged there as http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-roberts and was once known as http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Stefan-Roberts.
He's on "Jersey Shore"?
A friend of mine is a nurse who practices in and around Lagny. The Rothchild family had a very well-known chateau in Ferrières, which is within her practice. One of the main Rothchild brothers of the French branch lives in a house within the park of this chateau.
She knows these people. She has seen their asses, as she's given them multiple shots for various things.
Just forget about the Rothchilds and everything people say about them. They have to pull down their pants to get a shot like the rest of us!
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Fri 29th January 2010, 4:46pm)
A friend of mine is a nurse who practices in and around Lagny. The Rothchild family had a very well-known chateau in Ferrières, which is within her practice. One of the main Rothchild brothers of the French branch lives in a house within the park of this chateau.
She knows these people. She has seen their asses, as she's given them multiple shots for various things.
Just forget about the Rothchilds and everything people say about them. They have to pull down their pants to get a shot like the rest of us!
I hate to tell you this, but the average person doesn't have to pull down their pants to get a shot of anything. Unless it's a monster dose of long-acting penicillin to cure your syphilis because nobody trusts you to take pills every day.
Or maybe some nasty oil-based thing like testosterone, but not too many other things. Perhaps the Rothschild men are all doping/juicing a bit, in the name of preventive geriatrics.
Or maybe the French just like to give bum shots.
"Nurse, please come to my chateau this afternoon. I'll be needing my usual butt-load of vitamins...."
Posted by: A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Fri 29th January 2010, 6:46pm)
A friend of mine is a nurse who practices in and around Lagny. The Rothchild family had a very well-known chateau in Ferrières, which is within her practice. One of the main Rothchild brothers of the French branch lives in a house within the park of this chateau.
She knows these people. She has seen their asses, as she's given them multiple shots for various things.
Just forget about the Rothchilds and everything people say about them. They have to pull down their pants to get a shot like the rest of us!
So much for medical practitioner-patient confidentiality.
Posted by: CharlotteWebb
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Sat 30th January 2010, 12:05am)
I hate to tell you this, but the average person doesn't have to pull down their pants to get a shot of anything. Unless it's a monster dose of long-acting penicillin to cure your syphilis because nobody trusts you to take pills every day.
Not so sure about that. I visited Earsnoses'n'throats-R-Us back in August on account of I had "acute bacterial otitis media" i.e. some kind of ear infection. For $160 they gave me a shot in the ass and pills to take every day (actually every 8 hours), but they seemed to work.
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Fri 29th January 2010, 5:27pm)
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Sat 30th January 2010, 12:05am)
I hate to tell you this, but the average person doesn't have to pull down their pants to get a shot of anything. Unless it's a monster dose of long-acting penicillin to cure your syphilis because nobody trusts you to take pills every day.
Not so sure about that. I visited Earsnoses'n'throats-R-Us back in August on account of I had "acute bacterial otitis media" i.e. some kind of ear infection. For $160 they gave me a shot in the ass and pills to take every day (actually every 8 hours), but they seemed to work.
And probably would have worked just as well without the shot in the ass. But you'll never know, as they obviously considered it an ENT emergency, not worthy of the "let's wait and see" treatment on pills alone.
I have to admit you do remind me of one other ass-shot thingy, though, which is that there does exist a category of antibiotic called a "late generation cephalosporin," which is too large and thick a shot to be given IM easily any place else other than a glute, and which isn't well absorbed in a pill. So conceivably, you could have gotten one of those (ceftriaxone or cefepime or cefa-something-else). Not that there's a great deal of evidence that they're better than one of the many, many oral combos available for a middle ear infection, especially an untreated one.
Somehow I doubt that Rothschilds get regular third of fourth generation cephalosporin shots, either. But I suppose there are some circumstances where they could be used instead of an IV.
Milton the Universal Expert
(See your doctor for 2nd opinion, tho. And if they disagree, see yet another and go with best 2 out of 3)
Posted by: The Adversary
QUOTE(tarantino @ Fri 29th January 2010, 6:58pm)
<snip>
His current websites that are being used to perpetrate the hoax
http://www.stefanderothschild.com/
http://www.rothschildarts.org/
http://www.rothschild-estates.com/
http://www.rothschildglobalfoundation.org/
Facinating. When you look at these web-sites, they are very nicely done, with rubbish content. I would not be surprised to find that he has copied the design from some other websites.
Posted by: tarantino
QUOTE(The Adversary @ Sat 30th January 2010, 2:50am)
QUOTE(tarantino @ Fri 29th January 2010, 6:58pm)
<snip>
His current websites that are being used to perpetrate the hoax
http://www.stefanderothschild.com/
http://www.rothschildarts.org/
http://www.rothschild-estates.com/
http://www.rothschildglobalfoundation.org/
Facinating. When you look at these web-sites, they are very nicely done, with rubbish content. I would not be surprised to find that he has copied the design from some other websites.
rothschildarts.org=146.101.249.107
rothschild-estates.com=146.101.249.107
rothschildglobalfoundation.org=146.101.249.107
www.moonfruit.com=146.101.249.107
He used http://www.moonfruit.com/about.html to build and host those websites.
Posted by: EricBarbour
This is too damn bizarre.
Why in hell would anyone, sane or insane, do all this?
(Don't answer that. Nevermind. It's Wikipedia.)
And what really amuses me: the photo in http://www.ted.com/profiles/view/id/416242
bears a remarkable http://www.nutshellhifi.com/VSAC/John_Atwood.jpg to my friend http://one-electron.com/.........
Posted by: CharlotteWebb
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Sat 30th January 2010, 6:05am)
This is too damn bizarre.
Why in hell would anyone, sane or insane, do all this?
(Don't answer that. Nevermind. It's Wikipedia.)
The real question is how many of these fictitious individuals are dating Lee Dennison.
Posted by: CharlotteWebb
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Sat 30th January 2010, 2:37am)
I have to admit you do remind me of one other ass-shot thingy, though, which is that there does exist a category of antibiotic called a "late generation cephalosporin," which is too large and thick a shot to be given IM easily any place else other than a glute, and which isn't well absorbed in a pill. So conceivably, you could have gotten one of those (ceftriaxone or cefepime or cefa-something-else). Not that there's a great deal of evidence that they're better than one of the many, many oral combos available for a middle ear infection, especially an untreated one.
Hmm, that could be what it was. I tried to ask what was in the shot but by then they were more interested in shooing me out the door. I do know the pills were amoxicillin. Doubtless I could have picked that up without a prescription by describing a fictitious pet (o por hablando un poquito de español, al supermercado local del barrio), if only I knew what the hell I'd be shopping for.
Posted by: the fieryangel
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Sat 30th January 2010, 1:10am)
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Fri 29th January 2010, 6:46pm)
A friend of mine is a nurse who practices in and around Lagny. The Rothchild family had a very well-known chateau in Ferrières, which is within her practice. One of the main Rothchild brothers of the French branch lives in a house within the park of this chateau.
She knows these people. She has seen their asses, as she's given them multiple shots for various things.
Just forget about the Rothchilds and everything people say about them. They have to pull down their pants to get a shot like the rest of us!
So much for medical practitioner-patient confidentiality.
It's a local joke that this friend has seen the ass of everybody in town. I've never thought to confirm whether it's true or not.
My point was that these Rothchild people are normal folks, who live in a normal house and do normal things. I've even run into them at the Supermarket, myself. So whenever I hear one of these "Rothchild conspiracy" thingees, I think of the nice lady I run into at the produce section and wonder how these things start...
Posted by: Trick cyclist
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Fri 29th January 2010, 11:46pm)
Just forget about the Rothchilds and everything people say about them. They have to pull down their pants to get a shot like the rest of us!
Honestly some people here know nothing. Not even how to spell Rothschild. Of course they dont have to pull down their pants to get a shot like the rest of us. They have valets or if they wish chambermaids to do it for them.
Here for example is a typical French maid on Commons; note how she wears a very short dress, seamed stockings and stilettos to do manual labour.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:French_Maid_dusting.jpg
Posted by: the fieryangel
QUOTE(Trick cyclist @ Sat 30th January 2010, 1:38pm)
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Fri 29th January 2010, 11:46pm)
Just forget about the Rothchilds and everything people say about them. They have to pull down their pants to get a shot like the rest of us!
Honestly some people here know nothing. Not even how to spell Rothschild. Of course they dont have to pull down their pants to get a shot like the rest of us. They have valets or if they wish chambermaids to do it for them.
Here for example is a typical French maid on Commons; note how she wears a very short dress, seamed stockings and stilettos to do manual labour.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:French_Maid_dusting.jpg
Well, I've never had to actually spell their name. I just run into them at the grocery store.
Of course, all maids in France wear those types of outfits to scrub toilets and the like. You wouldn't believe how much it costs to keep 'em in pantyhose!
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Sat 30th January 2010, 5:35am)
My point was that these Rothchild people are normal folks, who live in a normal house and do normal things. I've even run into them at the Supermarket, myself.
Were they trundling along a cart with 50 lbs of truffles and Beluga caviar? I think that's all they eat.
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Sat 30th January 2010, 3:23am)
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Sat 30th January 2010, 2:37am)
I have to admit you do remind me of one other ass-shot thingy, though, which is that there does exist a category of antibiotic called a "late generation cephalosporin," which is too large and thick a shot to be given IM easily any place else other than a glute, and which isn't well absorbed in a pill. So conceivably, you could have gotten one of those (ceftriaxone or cefepime or cefa-something-else). Not that there's a great deal of evidence that they're better than one of the many, many oral combos available for a middle ear infection, especially an untreated one.
Hmm, that could be what it was. I tried to ask what was in the shot but by then they were more interested in shooing me out the door. I do know the pills were amoxicillin. Doubtless I could have picked that up without a prescription by describing a fictitious pet (o por hablando un poquito de español, al supermercado local del barrio), if only I knew what the hell I'd be shopping for.
Most Spanish-speaking countries in the Americas have amoxicillin over-the-counter. You don't need to describe anything-- just ask for the stuff.Amoxicillin is a very "old" and cheap drug, with so many bacteria resistant to it by now that it's used as a placebo (mostly for mothers with kids who have earaches, which usually do start to go away about 24 hours after they hurt maximally, even if you do nothing). A much more likely-to-be effective oral drug is a combo of amoxicillin and an inhibitor of penicillinase, called amoxicillin-clavulinate. It is called Clavamox or generic Augmentin in the US; probably Clavamox or something like it in Mexico, too. It used to be expensive, but now that it's generic, it has come down to reasonable prices also. It's very funny that you got the weak verson if it, while getting a shot, too.
So now you've really got me wondering what the shot was. There's a shot version of Clavamox called Unisyn, but it's very expensive, and reconsituting a whole IV bottle of it for an IM dose for one patient (wasting the rest, which is meant to be used in a much larger IV dose) reminds me of the old joke about the guy who wants elephant ear sandwich, at the restaurant-that-has-anything. They tell him the problem is not the order, but the problem is that it's late, and cooks don't want to start on a fresh elephant.
So I really doubt they did that for you-- not for $160. And pointless anyway, as it only saves you a couple of hours in getting the antibiotic and hurts like hell.Cheap oral pills suggest a cheap antibiotic shot. Penicillin G??
Gads, what a crappy clinic. Don't go back!Posted by: tarantino
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Sat 30th January 2010, 6:05am)
This is too damn bizarre.
Why in hell would anyone, sane or insane, do all this?
(Don't answer that. Nevermind. It's Wikipedia.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Roberts.
Thehttp://deletionpedia.dbatley.com/w/index.php?title=Stefan_Roberts lasted for 73 days before deletion, and was created shortly before he started http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-roberts. Likewise, the Stefan de Rothschild article was created shortly before he switched to http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-de-rothschild. He's using WP and his cheap websites to give the appearance of credibility to use on HuffPo. It's one of, if not the most visited and linked to blogs, so he's probably doing it because he wants to be read.
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(tarantino @ Fri 29th January 2010, 11:58am)
This elaborate hoax was set up with several articles created by http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Womblethereof&diff=prev&oldid=336466839.
It was http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&oldid=340700794#Andrew_de_Rothschild yesterday and all the articles have been deleted.
His http://twitter.com/stefandero and the folks at the Huffington Post (where he http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-de-rothschild/since-when-was-there-a-mi_b_427415.html that received 130 comments) have yet to catch on though.
Perhapes we can get Cyclopia to archive it all on-line somewhere on Encyc, so the BLP information on Mr. S. Rothschild is not lost to history.
You know how important that is.
Posted by: the fieryangel
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Sat 30th January 2010, 11:05pm)
QUOTE(tarantino @ Fri 29th January 2010, 11:58am)
This elaborate hoax was set up with several articles created by http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Womblethereof&diff=prev&oldid=336466839.
It was http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&oldid=340700794#Andrew_de_Rothschild yesterday and all the articles have been deleted.
His http://twitter.com/stefandero and the folks at the Huffington Post (where he http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-de-rothschild/since-when-was-there-a-mi_b_427415.html that received 130 comments) have yet to catch on though.
Perhapes we can get Cyclopia to archive it all on-line somewhere on Encyc, so the BLP information on Mr. S. Rothschild is not lost to history.
You know how important that is. He's got a facebook account as well : http://www.facebook.com/stefanderothschild
(In French, we call that a "tête à claques", which means roughly "a face meant to be slapped"....)
Posted by: CharlotteWebb
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Sat 30th January 2010, 10:54pm)
He's got a facebook account as well : http://www.facebook.com/stefanderothschild
(In French, we call that a "tête à claques", which means roughly "a face meant to be slapped"....)
This appears not to be visible to the general public, or maybe it is deleted already.
Posted by: the fieryangel
QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Sat 30th January 2010, 11:59pm)
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Sat 30th January 2010, 10:54pm)
He's got a facebook account as well : http://www.facebook.com/stefanderothschild
(In French, we call that a "tête à claques", which means roughly "a face meant to be slapped"....)
This appears not to be visible to the general public, or maybe it is deleted already.
I see a picture and a list of friends...but I'm logged onto facebook. There's also a page for the Rothschild foundation for the Arts : http://www.facebook.com/stefanderothschild#/pages/Rothschild-Foundation-for-the-Arts/236691599356?v=wall
Posted by: MZMcBride
QUOTE(tarantino @ Sat 30th January 2010, 4:58pm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Roberts.
For reference, the page Stefan Roberts was originally created on September 29, 2005 by Pikelet04Â (T-C-L-K-R-D) . It included an image that was deleted along with the article: File:Stefan Roberts.jpg.
It appears the article was re-created by the same user on January 31, 2006. Pikelet04 was never blocked.
Posted by: tarantino
QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Sun 31st January 2010, 12:13am)
QUOTE(tarantino @ Sat 30th January 2010, 4:58pm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Roberts.
For reference, the page Stefan Roberts was originally created on September 29, 2005 by Pikelet04Â (T-C-L-K-R-D) . It included an image that was deleted along with the article: File:Stefan Roberts.jpg.
It appears the article was re-created by the same user on January 31, 2006. Pikelet04 was never blocked.
Fuzzybuddy (T-C-L-K-R-D) wasn't blocker either. That's the http://deletionpedia.dbatley.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Fuzzybuddy, along with http://deletionpedia.dbatley.com/w/index.php?title=Roberts_Investments_Group_%28deleted_20_Jul_2008_at_04:49%29 and http://deletionpedia.dbatley.com/w/index.php?title=Andrew_Roberts_%28businessman%29_%28deleted_20_Jul_2008_at_04:48%29.
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(tarantino @ Sat 30th January 2010, 6:02pm)
QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Sun 31st January 2010, 12:13am)
QUOTE(tarantino @ Sat 30th January 2010, 4:58pm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Roberts.
For reference, the page Stefan Roberts was originally created on September 29, 2005 by Pikelet04Â (T-C-L-K-R-D) . It included an image that was deleted along with the article: File:Stefan Roberts.jpg.
It appears the article was re-created by the same user on January 31, 2006. Pikelet04 was never blocked.
Fuzzybuddy (T-C-L-K-R-D) wasn't blocker either. That's the http://deletionpedia.dbatley.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Fuzzybuddy, along with http://deletionpedia.dbatley.com/w/index.php?title=Roberts_Investments_Group_%28deleted_20_Jul_2008_at_04:49%29 and http://deletionpedia.dbatley.com/w/index.php?title=Andrew_Roberts_%28businessman%29_%28deleted_20_Jul_2008_at_04:48%29.
The snide deletion discussion is very funny, as it all looks a lot like the Lee Dennison one. The whole Roberts group with their imaginary titles and businesses looks like a giant walled-garden. Why, it must be the dread pirate Roberts! Nobody has actually SEEN him, but he has an amazing rep!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Andrew_Roberts_(businessman)
Note our buddy Fuzzybuddy (T-C-L-K-R-D) is right in the middle there, "agreeing" that the articles he'd created weren't based on reliable sources, so should be deleted. Yessiree.
That agreement made him look more innocent and saved him from being deleted as a disruptive false-BLP maker himself. But he's pretty clearly the screen-name of a personna-creator, and if it were up to me, I'd banhammer him just for stupidity if nothing else.
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Sat 30th January 2010, 5:13pm)
QUOTE(tarantino @ Sat 30th January 2010, 4:58pm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Roberts.
For reference, the page Stefan Roberts was originally created on September 29, 2005 by Pikelet04Â (T-C-L-K-R-D) . It included an image that was deleted along with the article: File:Stefan Roberts.jpg.
It appears the article was re-created by the same user on January 31, 2006. Pikelet04 was never blocked.
Eh? Then where did he GO?
Posted by: the fieryangel
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Sun 31st January 2010, 6:03am)
QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Sat 30th January 2010, 5:13pm)
QUOTE(tarantino @ Sat 30th January 2010, 4:58pm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Roberts.
For reference, the page Stefan Roberts was originally created on September 29, 2005 by Pikelet04Â (T-C-L-K-R-D) . It included an image that was deleted along with the article: File:Stefan Roberts.jpg.
It appears the article was re-created by the same user on January 31, 2006. Pikelet04 was never blocked.
Eh? Then where did he GO?
To a "champagned-fuel New Year's party", from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-de-rothschild/somethings-got-to-change_b_419471.html :
QUOTE
So I started the new decade all excited about, well, everything. From the champagne-fueled party on New Year's Eve to that ecstatic countdown up to midnight (this year, with BBC Radio 1 being patched in through the house's sound system so that we could hear Big Ben chime 12), and that oh-so-special kiss to start off 2010!
Actually, even if this isn't even remotely believable, it's really a shame that this guy is a fake...since his position about arts funding makes perfect sense...However, I wonder just how much of the money he was obviously fishing for with these websites would have actually gone to working artists?
Has anybody tipped off the Huffington post about this guy?
Posted by: Trick cyclist
QUOTE(Trick cyclist @ Sat 30th January 2010, 12:38pm)
Here for example is a typical French maid on Commons; note how she wears a very short dress, seamed stockings and stilettos to do manual labour.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:French_Maid_dusting.jpg
Hm, danger of having admins following our discussions. All I do is link to a nice photo on Commons and http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:French_Maid_dusting.jpg&diff=prev&oldid=34744816. Grab a copy while you can.
Posted by: the fieryangel
QUOTE(Trick cyclist @ Sun 31st January 2010, 6:36pm)
QUOTE(Trick cyclist @ Sat 30th January 2010, 12:38pm)
Here for example is a typical French maid on Commons; note how she wears a very short dress, seamed stockings and stilettos to do manual labour.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:French_Maid_dusting.jpg
Hm, danger of having admins following our discussions. All I do is link to a nice photo on Commons and http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:French_Maid_dusting.jpg&diff=prev&oldid=34744816. Grab a copy while you can.
The Wikipedia Review effect strikes again...
Well, it's http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Truite_(roman)#Fr.C3.A9d.C3.A9rique_et_Lou, oddly enough, although I don't see what it has to do with the article...
The Spanish WP http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traje_de_sirvientabetter than the French do...
Posted by: tarantino
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Sun 31st January 2010, 12:33pm)
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Sun 31st January 2010, 6:03am)
Eh? Then where did he GO?
To a "champagned-fuel New Year's party", from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-de-rothschild/somethings-got-to-change_b_419471.html :
More recently, he claims he just returned from the World Economics Forum in Davos.
QUOTE
# @Davos BTW - I'm on the @HuffingtonPost List and am attending for @RothschildGF. Any chance of being put on your list too? 4:12 PM Jan 26th from web
# Am heading out to a working breakfast for Foundation Leaders #WEF 10:53 PM Jan 26th from web
# @QueenRania [the queen of Jordan] RE: Education - yes they are def. b) I know! I find @Davos has about 50 working meals a day, but I never actually eat anything! 11:01 PM Jan 28th from web
# Looking forward to our last day in @Davos. It's been a really great experience and we've got a lot done. @RothschildGF really benefited. 10:48 PM Jan 29th from web
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Sun 31st January 2010, 12:33pm)
Has anybody tipped off the Huffington post about this guy?
I replied to http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-de-rothschild/since-when-was-there-a-mi_b_427415.html but it's been waiting moderation since Friday. I also emailed scoop at huffingtonpost.com, but there's been no reply.
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Sun 31st January 2010, 5:33am)
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Sun 31st January 2010, 6:03am)
QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Sat 30th January 2010, 5:13pm)
QUOTE(tarantino @ Sat 30th January 2010, 4:58pm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Roberts.
For reference, the page Stefan Roberts was originally created on September 29, 2005 by Pikelet04Â (T-C-L-K-R-D) . It included an image that was deleted along with the article: File:Stefan Roberts.jpg.
It appears the article was re-created by the same user on January 31, 2006. Pikelet04 was never blocked.
Eh? Then where did he GO?
No, I meant how did Pikelet04Â (T-C-L-K-R-D) get off WP? Are you sure you have the name right? You say he wasn't blocked, but he doesn't have a userpage. Not even one with a "banned editor" tag.
Posted by: MZMcBride
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Sun 31st January 2010, 2:24pm)
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Sun 31st January 2010, 5:33am)
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Sun 31st January 2010, 6:03am)
QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Sat 30th January 2010, 5:13pm)
QUOTE(tarantino @ Sat 30th January 2010, 4:58pm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Roberts.
For reference, the page Stefan Roberts was originally created on September 29, 2005 by Pikelet04Â (T-C-L-K-R-D) . It included an image that was deleted along with the article: File:Stefan Roberts.jpg.
It appears the article was re-created by the same user on January 31, 2006. Pikelet04 was never blocked.
Eh? Then where did he GO?
No, I meant how did Pikelet04Â (T-C-L-K-R-D) get off WP? Are you sure you have the name right? You say he wasn't blocked, but he doesn't have a userpage. Not even one with a "banned editor" tag.
Yes, I have the name correct. The account made its edits in 2005 and 2006 and never created a user or user talk page. All of the edits were subsequently deleted (Special:DeletedContributions/Pikelet04) and nobody ever bothered creating a user or user talk page or blocking the account. Sounds like a typical "single-purpose throwaway account" to me.
Posted by: the fieryangel
I was talking to some French friends tonight about this, and the general consensus (there's that word again...) is that there is no way in Hell that the Rothschilds' would ever name any of their kids either Stefan or Andrew. He might as well have chosen Kevin or Dylan. It's really a huge tipoff that this is a hoax, at least to French people...
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Sun 31st January 2010, 2:49pm)
I was talking to some French friends tonight about this, and the general consensus (there's that word again...) is that there is no way in Hell that the Rothschilds' would ever name any of their kids either Stefan or Andrew. He might as well have chosen Kevin or Dylan. It's really a huge tipoff that this is a hoax, at least to French people...
How about this guy, born in 1949? Of course, he appears Swedish.
http://www.ngo-fundraising.com/75585/eng_background
Posted by: Trick cyclist
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Mon 1st February 2010, 2:43am)
How about this guy, born in 1949? Of course, he appears Swedish.
Sweden is another country. They do things differently there.
Anyway is there any reason to assume hes related to the French Rothschilds? I know they have relations in England but why would they want to have Swedish ones?
Posted by: the fieryangel
QUOTE(Trick cyclist @ Mon 1st February 2010, 1:17pm)
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Mon 1st February 2010, 2:43am)
How about this guy, born in 1949? Of course, he appears Swedish.
Sweden is another country. They do things differently there.
Anyway is there any reason to assume hes related to the French Rothschilds? I know they have relations in England but why would they want to have Swedish ones?
This guy is Stefan Rothschild. The other guy is Stefan de Rothschild.
The de changes everything. It's not even the same name, really...
Posted by: A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Trick cyclist @ Mon 1st February 2010, 7:17am)
Sweden is another country. They do things differently there.
http://pivu.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/anita-ekberg.jpg
Posted by: carbuncle
More http://blog.shankbone.org/2010/01/31/huffington-post-the-future-of-journalism-not-when-they-are-so-easily-scammed-by-stefan-de-rothschild/ that Tarantino is actually David Shankbone, as many of us have long suspected...
QUOTE
Huffington Post the future of journalism? Not when they are so easily scammed by “Stefan de Rothschildâ€
By David Shankbone
A guy that the Huffington Post claims is part of the famed Rothschild family is actually an impostor. Apparently, all it takes to blog there is to claim a pedigree and build a bunch of fake websites with Moonfruit: check out HuffPo’s “Stefan de Rothschild“...
By David Shankbone
A guy that the Huffington Post claims is part of the famed Rothschild family is actually an impostor. Apparently, all it takes to blog there is to claim a pedigree and build a bunch of fake websites with Moonfruit: check out HuffPo’s “Stefan de Rothschild“...
And not even so much as a link back to WR!
Posted by: A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(carbuncle @ Mon 1st February 2010, 9:27am)
More http://blog.shankbone.org/2010/01/31/huffington-post-the-future-of-journalism-not-when-they-are-so-easily-scammed-by-stefan-de-rothschild/ that Tarantino is actually David Shankbone, as many of us have long suspected...
Considering a couple of days passed between Tarantino's initial posting here and the Shankbone version, it appears that Mr. Miller is an active reader of WR and decided to "borrow" the information.
The notion that Tarantino and Shankbone are sharing a toothbrush is utterly ridiculous.
Posted by: the fieryangel
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Mon 1st February 2010, 3:46pm)
QUOTE(carbuncle @ Mon 1st February 2010, 9:27am)
More http://blog.shankbone.org/2010/01/31/huffington-post-the-future-of-journalism-not-when-they-are-so-easily-scammed-by-stefan-de-rothschild/ that Tarantino is actually David Shankbone, as many of us have long suspected...
Considering a couple of days passed between Tarantino's initial posting here and the Shankbone version, it appears that Mr. Miller is an active reader of WR and decided to "borrow" the information.
The notion that Tarantino and Shankbone are sharing a toothbrush is utterly ridiculous.
I hope that is the case, for Mr. Tarantino's sake...Did anybody else notice that Shankers failed to mention using fake Wikipedia pages for spoofing in his brilliant coverage?
Meanwhile, back on Facebook, Mr. de Rothschild has founded a
[url=http://www.facebook.com/stefanderothschild#/pages/Rothschild-Global-Foundation/281958276038?v=wall] new page for the Rothschild Global Foundation.
[/url]
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The Rothschild Global Foundation has one simple aim: to make the impossible possible.
We work to facilitate sustained improvement in living conditions, health and education to the global community.
Mission:
The chances are you've never been truly hungry. Hungry after days of not eating. Chances are that you never really been ill. When was the last time you couldn't phone 911 in an emergency? Chances are you can read and write. Chances are you could probably secure a small loan if you wanted to start a business or help provide for your family.
The reason you can do all this is simple. It is the same reason that you were born where you were, and why you're where you are today.
Chance.
Over a billion people around the world don't have a chance. They don't have a chance to help themselves out of poverty. To help their families, their communities and their nations out of impossible situations. So our mission is simple.
To make the impossible possible.
We work to facilitate sustained improvement in living conditions, health and education to the global community. But we aren't a charity that's too big to function. We have big goals but we're achieving them with localized, effective solutions. We believe that innovation comes not through enormous multinational schemes and projects, but through simple affordable things that will work to feed, care for or educate a village, but can be implemented in villages all around the world.
This strategy - to combat global problems with simple solutions has already helped over 5 million people get educated to a 5th grade level. It has provided over $200 million dollars worth of health care, including HIV/AIDS medicine and malaria vaccines, to those who cannot afford it. And it has fed over 30 million people, and helped over five thousand small businesses start in rural communities.
Together, with the help of the millions around the world who are so desperate to escape poverty and provide themselves and their families a better life, we can achieve something great.
We can achieve the impossible.
We work to facilitate sustained improvement in living conditions, health and education to the global community.
Mission:
The chances are you've never been truly hungry. Hungry after days of not eating. Chances are that you never really been ill. When was the last time you couldn't phone 911 in an emergency? Chances are you can read and write. Chances are you could probably secure a small loan if you wanted to start a business or help provide for your family.
The reason you can do all this is simple. It is the same reason that you were born where you were, and why you're where you are today.
Chance.
Over a billion people around the world don't have a chance. They don't have a chance to help themselves out of poverty. To help their families, their communities and their nations out of impossible situations. So our mission is simple.
To make the impossible possible.
We work to facilitate sustained improvement in living conditions, health and education to the global community. But we aren't a charity that's too big to function. We have big goals but we're achieving them with localized, effective solutions. We believe that innovation comes not through enormous multinational schemes and projects, but through simple affordable things that will work to feed, care for or educate a village, but can be implemented in villages all around the world.
This strategy - to combat global problems with simple solutions has already helped over 5 million people get educated to a 5th grade level. It has provided over $200 million dollars worth of health care, including HIV/AIDS medicine and malaria vaccines, to those who cannot afford it. And it has fed over 30 million people, and helped over five thousand small businesses start in rural communities.
Together, with the help of the millions around the world who are so desperate to escape poverty and provide themselves and their families a better life, we can achieve something great.
We can achieve the impossible.
Now, do the real Rothschilds know about this clown and what he's up to?
Also, I noticed that Tarantino's Huffpo comment didn't get through their moderation process. I wonder what that means?
Posted by: the fieryangel
A comment about Davos and Master de Rothschild onhttp://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/28/youthful-swearing-at-davos/#comment-11695 :
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Update: The Oath doesn’t just have a website, it also has a Twitter feed! Thanks to that, we can all now rest reassured that Stefan de Rothschild (typical tweet here) has accepted the Global Business Oath.
Posted by: the fieryangel
http://gawker.com/5461647/how-a-layabout-used-the-huffington-post-to-become-a-rothschild
And both Shankers and the WR get a mention! something for everybody!
Posted by: the fieryangel
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Mon 1st February 2010, 11:13pm)
http://gawker.com/5461647/how-a-layabout-used-the-huffington-post-to-become-a-rothschild
And both Shankers and the WR get a mention! something for everybody!
Too late, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-de-rothschild/ :
QUOTE
Editor's Note: On February 1st, it came to our attention that this blogger had misrepresented himself and was blogging under a false identity, part of an elaborate online hoax. As a result, his work will no longer be published on HuffPost, and his previous pieces have been removed.
Now, if they could just tie in the whole http://wikipediareview.com/blog/20091211/its-the-casting-director-lee-dennison-story/ we'd have a real story here!
http://twitter.com/huffingtonpost/davos-influentials
Man, you just have to wonder how far this guy could have gotten if it weren't for us darned kids (Ã la Scooby-doo....)
Posted by: Trick cyclist
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Mon 1st February 2010, 2:01pm)
This guy is Stefan Rothschild. The other guy is Stefan de Rothschild.
The de changes everything. It's not even the same name, really...
Yes, the "de" makes it all so French doesnt it? But this noble French family was originally from Germany so the "de" isnt original. The name means "Red shield" in German. And the English branch of the family doesnt use "de" either.
Posted by: the fieryangel
QUOTE(Trick cyclist @ Mon 1st February 2010, 11:36pm)
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Mon 1st February 2010, 2:01pm)
This guy is Stefan Rothschild. The other guy is Stefan de Rothschild.
The de changes everything. It's not even the same name, really...
Yes, the "de" makes it all so French doesnt it? But this noble French family was originally from Germany so the "de" isnt original. The name means "Red shield" in German. And the English branch of the family doesnt use "de" either.
The French Rothschilds were made barons by Emperor Francis I of Austria in 1822, in the aftermath of the Napoleonic wars. That's where the "de" comes from. Yes, it means quite a bit in these here parts....
If this guy hadn't used the "de", it might have been a little less obvious....but he still got caught.
From the Valleywag comments :
QUOTE
Despite his network of web sites, this guy doesn't really seem to have been trying all that hard. For instance, based on an extremely quick Google, significant chunks (and perhaps ALL) of the primary text on his RothschildArts.org site was lifted without modification from the Warhol Foundation web site. Even the little press release about the re-design of the site, crediting LA-based firm Hello Design, was lifted directly from the Warhol Foundation. I'm not sure if the De Rothschilds will think it's worth their while to address this guy, but I'm guessing that the Warhol Foundation and Hello Design might be willing to take him on . .
Posted by: carbuncle
QUOTE(tarantino @ Fri 29th January 2010, 10:41pm)
He's also blogged there as http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-roberts and was once known as http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Stefan-Roberts. I tried to point this out as a comment there, but I fear it will forever be "awaiting moderation". Maybe valleywag would enjoy getting a dig in at Huff.
Hmmm, Tarantino mentions alerting Valleywag and soon a story appears which features David Shankbone. I mean, come on, do I have to connect the dots? Tarantino=Shankbone!! I'm just surprised he didn't get a picture credit for the shot of Stefan Roberts!
Posted by: A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(carbuncle @ Mon 1st February 2010, 5:54pm)
Hmmm, Tarantino mentions alerting Valleywag and soon a story appears which features David Shankbone. I mean, come on, do I have to connect the dots? Tarantino=Shankbone!! I'm just surprised he didn't get a picture credit for the shot of Stefan Roberts!
If it is, then he deserves the Best Actor Oscar.
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(carbuncle @ Mon 1st February 2010, 7:27am)
More http://blog.shankbone.org/2010/01/31/huffington-post-the-future-of-journalism-not-when-they-are-so-easily-scammed-by-stefan-de-rothschild/ that Tarantino is actually David Shankbone, as many of us have long suspected...
QUOTE
Huffington Post the future of journalism? Not when they are so easily scammed by “Stefan de Rothschildâ€
By David Shankbone
A guy that the Huffington Post claims is part of the famed Rothschild family is actually an impostor. Apparently, all it takes to blog there is to claim a pedigree and build a bunch of fake websites with Moonfruit: check out HuffPo’s “Stefan de Rothschild“...
By David Shankbone
A guy that the Huffington Post claims is part of the famed Rothschild family is actually an impostor. Apparently, all it takes to blog there is to claim a pedigree and build a bunch of fake websites with Moonfruit: check out HuffPo’s “Stefan de Rothschild“...
And not even so much as a link back to WR!
At risk of being stupidly blunt in the middle of light comic banter (I know), it's certainly evidence of Shankbone's lack of integrity to fail to mention his sources and thereby take credit himself.
Posted by: carbuncle
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 2nd February 2010, 12:50am)
At risk of being stupidly blunt in the middle of light comic banter (I know), it's certainly evidence of Shankbone's lack of integrity to fail to mention his sources and thereby take credit himself.
He actually did mention Wikipedia Review:
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The Huffington Post was contacted by members of the Wikipedia Review, who caught on when Wikipedia was continually deleting the fake biographies of both Stefan Roberts and Stefan de Rothschild, and also Stefan’s fake father “Andrew de Rothschild†(here’s that discussion – worth a read). However, HuffPo still has him up.
What he didn't do was link to the discussion where it would have been obvious that all his evidence originated there. The "here's that discussion" links to the WP AN/I thread, not to here.
Posted by: the fieryangel
Off of the Valleywag comments :
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Image of lil red lil red 02/01/10
Not to be off topic, but I know of a fake Rockefeller who used a screen grab of his removed Wikipedia entry to continue to support his loose "implication" in heritage. He is pretty crafty in how he has gotten away with it, in that it is his true last name, and merely implies he is related by his loose associations, business associates and the claims of those he has associated with.
Eventually it caught up with him, and Wikipedia took it down, but not before he did his screen grab to post on his own website.
I am curious how Wikipedia feels about people using entries removed with screen grabs on other sites?
Not to be off topic, but I know of a fake Rockefeller who used a screen grab of his removed Wikipedia entry to continue to support his loose "implication" in heritage. He is pretty crafty in how he has gotten away with it, in that it is his true last name, and merely implies he is related by his loose associations, business associates and the claims of those he has associated with.
Eventually it caught up with him, and Wikipedia took it down, but not before he did his screen grab to post on his own website.
I am curious how Wikipedia feels about people using entries removed with screen grabs on other sites?
So, Wikipedia : we've had "Lee Dennison", "Stefan de Rothschild" and now a fake Rockefeller. So, how do you feel about this?
(PS: my favorite comment off of Valleywag:
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I've been using Adolph de Rothschild, but sometimes I get funny looks. Any advice?
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Tue 2nd February 2010, 4:14am)
(PS: my favorite comment off of Valleywag:
QUOTE
I've been using Adolph de Rothschild, but sometimes I get funny looks. Any advice?
Better Adoph than Adolf. A least Adolph has a tenderizer.
Posted by: the fieryangel
http://ryansholin.com/2010/02/02/epistemology-and-sources/#comment-17330:
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The important part is that the guy was a faker, and although no journalist caught it, he was busted when he caught the attention of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reviewerswho noticed he kept putting the same fake pages up on the encyclopedia I’ve linked to four times in this post.
I've already pointed out to this guy that he's got the wrong "wikipedia reviewers" here...and also to point out the "Lee Dennison" incident....
Posted by: thekohser
QUOTE(carbuncle @ Mon 1st February 2010, 9:27am)
More http://blog.shankbone.org/2010/01/31/huffington-post-the-future-of-journalism-not-when-they-are-so-easily-scammed-by-stefan-de-rothschild/ that Tarantino is actually David Shankbone, as many of us have long suspected...
If you think David Shankbone would have scooped a story on Wikipedia Review, then waited a couple of days to rehash it on his own blog property, then you don't know David very well. If Tarantino is Shankbone, then it would have been the other way around.
You're embarrassing yourself, Carbuncle, as badly as or worse than I did last night with my "1929 minus 1912" subtraction problem.
Posted by: carbuncle
QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 3rd February 2010, 3:42pm)
QUOTE(carbuncle @ Mon 1st February 2010, 9:27am)
More http://blog.shankbone.org/2010/01/31/huffington-post-the-future-of-journalism-not-when-they-are-so-easily-scammed-by-stefan-de-rothschild/ that Tarantino is actually David Shankbone, as many of us have long suspected...
If you think David Shankbone would have scooped a story on Wikipedia Review, then waited a couple of days to rehash it on his own blog property, then you don't know David very well. If Tarantino is Shankbone, then it would have been the other way around.
You're embarrassing yourself, Carbuncle, as badly as or worse than I did last night with my "1929 minus 1912" subtraction problem.
My embarrassment is that people have no idea when I'm making a joke. From now on, even if I think something is too incredible for anyone to take seriously, I will be more careful.
Posted by: tarantino
QUOTE(carbuncle @ Wed 3rd February 2010, 5:35pm)
My embarrassment is that people have no idea when I'm making a joke. From now on, even if I think something is too incredible for anyone to take seriously, I will be more careful.
I thought you were funny, DC.
I think the next item I'll put in my blog "Strange realms of the spirit" is how the novelist John Reed used various identities to manipulate Wikipedia and book review sites.
Posted by: tarantino
http://www.webcitation.org/5n9XtOlZj is back with a sequel. This time his story centers on http://www.google.com/#q="David+Gad+de+Rothschild", who recently inherited $40 billion from his late mother http://www.google.com/#q="Elizabeth+Ann-Marie+Sassoon". Wikifiddlers caught on to some but not all of it, while http://www.freebase.com/history/view/user/houseoflionel. Dozens of free press releases were also deployed, which were then regurgitated thousands of times.
Henry Kissinger comments at http://michael-orenstein.newsvine.com/_news/2010/07/05/4615275-david-gad-de-rothschild-invests-in-utah, "David Gad de Rothschild is very creative, and we can all expect unprecedented moves in the financial sector. Intelligent, intellectual and creative."
Posted by: the fieryangel
QUOTE(tarantino @ Tue 3rd August 2010, 9:23pm)
http://www.webcitation.org/5n9XtOlZj is back with a sequel. This time his story centers on http://www.google.com/#q="David+Gad+de+Rothschild", who recently inherited $40 billion from his late mother http://www.google.com/#q="Elizabeth+Ann-Marie+Sassoon". Wikifiddlers caught on to some but not all of it, while http://www.freebase.com/history/view/user/houseoflionel. Dozens of free press releases were also deployed, which were then regurgitated thousands of times.
Henry Kissinger comments at http://michael-orenstein.newsvine.com/_news/2010/07/05/4615275-david-gad-de-rothschild-invests-in-utah, "David Gad de Rothschild is very creative, and we can all expect unprecedented moves in the financial sector. Intelligent, intellectual and creative."
Send what you've got to Ryan Tate over at Gawker Media. He might want to do a follow-up on http://gawker.com/5461647/how-a-layabout-used-the-huffington-post-to-become-a-rothschild