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thekohser
post Tue 26th May 2009, 3:04am
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Just a thread to add those subjects where you fully expect there would have been a Wikipedia article about it, but there isn't.

Bob Welch songs:

* Sentimental Lady

* Hypnotized (the one made famous by Fleetwood Mac) (not this garbage)

Musical group:

* The Ebonys

Law firm:

* Jackson Lewis (over 500 attorneys)
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post Tue 26th May 2009, 3:30am
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Gottlob Espenlaub

*Gottlob Espenlaub (T-H-L-K-D) (nothing there!)
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post Tue 26th May 2009, 3:59am
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I was quite surprised there was not only no article on the NTA Film Network (T-H-L-K-D), there actually was no mention of it, anywhere on Wikipedia (I remedied that last month). Wikipedia's strength is usually in pop culture, so you'd expect some sort of mention of a network with over 100 local stations and a television series which won an early Peabody Award.
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post Tue 26th May 2009, 4:04am
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That's a good one. Espenlaub was a somewhat important figure in German aviation.
I've got a book about it, it mentions Espenlaub as a coworker with Lippisch.

I wonder...was there a bio about him on WP in the past, that someone deleted for
bizarre/no reason? Or perhaps because of his involvement with some nasty secret
Nazi projects during the war?

Anyway, he made bitchin' cars.
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post Tue 26th May 2009, 6:30am
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Cool! More DYKs a-coming...~~~~
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post Tue 26th May 2009, 2:23pm
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Tue 26th May 2009, 12:04am) *

That's a good one. Espenlaub was a somewhat important figure in German aviation.
I've got a book about it, it mentions Espenlaub as a coworker with Lippisch.

I wonder...was there a bio about him on WP in the past, that someone deleted for
bizarre/no reason? Or perhaps because of his involvement with some nasty secret
Nazi projects during the war?

Anyway, he made bitchin' cars.
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Those post war ones are nice (the one in back looks vaguely jag-etype-ish to me) but the prewar streamliners are very cool (for some reason they reminded me of Zeros due to the way the windows were done).

I agree, this is the sort of bio that one would think WP would have.
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post Tue 26th May 2009, 3:32pm
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* Myalgic encephalomyelitis

Then again, its absence is rather exactly what one would expect.

* Might and Magic Tribute

Could well be the longest running computer game fan project that is still making progress.

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post Tue 26th May 2009, 3:55pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 26th May 2009, 3:04am) *

* Hypnotized (the one made famous by Fleetwood Mac) (not this garbage)

Greg, I'd nominate this as the most surprisingly constructive WR thread of the year. It seems like a dream.

I've been keeping a similar list of glaring omissions, mostly in plain sight. My favorite observation so far is that WP has no article discussing the interpretations of the notorious "wheel inside a wheel" mentioned in the book of Ezekiel.

I'm almost sure von Däniken speculated that the iron chariots of Canaan were fitted with wheels inside wheels, but I can't find a source for this. Apparently he's still alive so there exists an outside chance that I could contact him and get a statement to this effect, maybe an autograph too! tongue.gif

Next on my list is Simón Radowitzky. I know bat-shit revolutionaries in latin america are a dime a dozen, but this guy was unique being from the Ukraine. He already has a WP article in German, Spanish, and Polish, but not in English.

Despite this the enwiki project still maintains the same air of cultish superiority which leaves ignorant readers and editors believing that la lingua anglofonica leads the wikisphere on every front and is very close to complete.
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post Tue 26th May 2009, 4:11pm
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QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Tue 26th May 2009, 4:55pm) *

editors believing that la lingua anglofonica leads the wikisphere on every front and is very close to complete.


There's little doubt a WP functioning properly would still be in its growth phase even by the lights of the systemic bias of contributors. I have a stack of such articles, but I'm not sure what the point of this thread is except for

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Cool! More DYKs a-coming...~~~~



Edit: Now with added growth phase

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QUOTE(Guido den Broeder @ Tue 26th May 2009, 4:32pm) *

* Myalgic encephalomyelitis

Then again, its absence is rather exactly what one would expect.

Myalgic encephalomyelitis. The editor with the highest number of edits to it is, er, you.
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post Tue 26th May 2009, 5:26pm
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There is no article on the 1974 film version of Simon Gray's "Butley," which was directed by Harold Pinter and starred Alan Bates and Jessica Tandy. That's quite a pop culture gap.
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 26th May 2009, 5:26pm) *

There is no article on the 1974 film version of Simon Gray's "Butley," which was directed by Harold Pinter and starred Alan Bates and Jessica Tandy. That's quite a pop culture gap.


I don't know if anybody else is familiar with a TV network called "This" (seriously), and they don't quite have access to the Ted Turner vault, but they do play a lot of old B-thru-Z-movies I had never heard of. Among the ones I recall watching, most of them lack a WP article.

It might be blaxploitation week right now. Yesterday I watched Slaughter starring former football player Jim Brown, and Miami Cops (which more like an urban spaghetti western) starring whatsizname who played Shaft.

Fascinating stuff, but where are the wiki-pages? Everybody keeps saying "pop culture" is WP's strong suit... well I pity the fool!
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post Tue 26th May 2009, 5:49pm
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Tue 26th May 2009, 9:45am) *

QUOTE(Guido den Broeder @ Tue 26th May 2009, 4:32pm) *

* Myalgic encephalomyelitis

Then again, its absence is rather exactly what one would expect.

Myalgic encephalomyelitis. The editor with the highest number of edits to it is, er, you.

Yes, and Guido is spinning it as a giant WP conspiracy, when it in fact it really must be spun as a Canada vs. (UK and US) conspiracy, since the UK and US definitions don't recognize "myalgic encephalomyelitis." Worse still the "consensus document" from Canada about ME is symptom-driven: objective tests are not needed criteria. This is despite what you'll read on ME websites which claim that there are objective tests for ME. Even Canada recognizes none. So much for THAT consensus.

Beware any document labeled "consensus." That word means there is no consensus, else there would have been no reason to create the document and try to force one. There certainly is none here.

As for the giant conspiracy which covers up something that the WHO believed in, in 1969, well, science moves on. Once upon a time we didn't believe in continental drift, either. Even the guy who first came up with the serious idea for it, had no mechanism. If the mechanism was THAT obvious, how come Wegener didn't propose it? Answer: because it wasn't so obvious. That's progress. Once somebody had the mechanism, it was accepted.

We're still waiting for the mechanism of "chronic fatigue." Until it arrives, it will not be accepted science, no matter how many Canadians whine and demand consensus from the rest of the medical world.
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post Tue 26th May 2009, 6:19pm
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QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Tue 26th May 2009, 1:41pm) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 26th May 2009, 5:26pm) *

There is no article on the 1974 film version of Simon Gray's "Butley," which was directed by Harold Pinter and starred Alan Bates and Jessica Tandy. That's quite a pop culture gap.


I don't know if anybody else is familiar with a TV network called "This" (seriously), and they don't quite have access to the Ted Turner vault, but they do play a lot of old B-thru-Z-movies I had never heard of. Among the ones I recall watching, most of them lack a WP article.

It might be blaxploitation week right now. Yesterday I watched Slaughter starring former football player Jim Brown, and Miami Cops (which more like an urban spaghetti western) starring whatsizname who played Shaft.

Fascinating stuff, but where are the wiki-pages? Everybody keeps saying "pop culture" is WP's strong suit... well I pity the fool!


There is a guy on WP with the moniker of Lugnuts who spends too much time filling in gaps for obscure films. He is one of the better under-the-radar editors out there.
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 26th May 2009, 6:19pm) *

There is a guy on WP with the moniker of Lugnuts who spends too much time filling in gaps for obscure films. He is one of the better under-the-radar editors out there.

I should make him a customized barnstar and a tire iron to go with it.
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QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Tue 26th May 2009, 3:06pm) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 26th May 2009, 6:19pm) *

There is a guy on WP with the moniker of Lugnuts who spends too much time filling in gaps for obscure films. He is one of the better under-the-radar editors out there.

I should make him a customized barnstar and a tire iron to go with it.


Really, you (or someone here) should nominate him for adminship. Unlike the Xeno or Guy Chapman types who do absolutely nothing of value, someone like Lugnuts is a real Net positive who is actually improving content without drama or error.
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 26th May 2009, 12:12pm) *
Really, you (or someone here) should nominate him for adminship. Unlike the Xeno or Guy Chapman types who do absolutely nothing of value, someone like Lugnuts is a real Net positive who is actually improving content without drama or error.

Yep, all he's got to show for 3 years of hard work are a few BSes. yecch.gif

That's another charming feature of WP: the slimy backstabbing bastards get all the power and attention,
while hardworking editors get nothing but a few thank-yous. (Just like real life.)
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Tue 26th May 2009, 6:45pm) *

QUOTE(Guido den Broeder @ Tue 26th May 2009, 4:32pm) *

* Myalgic encephalomyelitis

Then again, its absence is rather exactly what one would expect.

Myalgic encephalomyelitis. The editor with the highest number of edits to it is, er, you.


Hmm, that is CFS, not ME.
Not that my edits on that article helped, all 217 of them were reverted by the NHS during their case at the UK High Court.

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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 26th May 2009, 7:49pm) *
Yes, and Guido is spinning it as a giant WP conspiracy, when it in fact it really must be spun as a Canada vs. (UK and US) conspiracy, since the UK and US definitions don't recognize "myalgic encephalomyelitis." Worse still the "consensus document" from Canada about ME is symptom-driven: objective tests are not needed criteria. This is despite what you'll read on ME websites which claim that there are objective tests for ME. Even Canada recognizes none. So much for THAT consensus.

I take it that you have not actually read the document. The Canadian consensus definition of ME/CFS (i.e. not of ME or CFS separately!) includes a protocol that describes what research needs to be done. The old Fukuda and Holmes definitions for CFS (we now have Reeves, that is 10 times as many patients) also explicitly state that patients need to be thoroughly medically examined. Obviously, no CFS definition recognizes ME, just like no definition of cancer or of a bicycle does. ME definitions recognize ME. There are UK (Ramsay) and Canadian (Hyde) definitions of ME.

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As for the giant conspiracy which covers up something that the WHO believed in, in 1969, well, science moves on.

It certainly does. Wikipedia otoh only moves backwards.

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We're still waiting for the mechanism of "chronic fatigue."

The mechanism of chronic fatigue is well known and has been for quite some time, in part thanks to ME researchers like Behan.
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Tue 26th May 2009, 4:55pm) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 26th May 2009, 12:12pm) *
Really, you (or someone here) should nominate him for adminship. Unlike the Xeno or Guy Chapman types who do absolutely nothing of value, someone like Lugnuts is a real Net positive who is actually improving content without drama or error.

Yep, all he's got to show for 3 years of hard work are a few BSes. yecch.gif

That's another charming feature of WP: the slimy backstabbing bastards get all the power and attention,
while hardworking editors get nothing but a few thank-yous. (Just like real life.)


Oh, you are following the Majorly RfA, too? laugh.gif
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